Royalty Thread #6 - Touring the World In Haute Couture

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by centerstage01, Apr 19, 2014.

  1. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

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    I never got the sense it was her personal style though - more things that people picked out for her, or things people told her looked good so she went for similar things when she had the choice.

    Years ago there was a touring exhibition of her dresses - some just seemed to overwhelm her delicate, feminine look (ie big plaids or overly flouncy stuff), especially combined with her signature sporty haircut and harsher 80s makeup. But there were definitely standouts - the one I recall most is the beautiful off the shoulder deep blue gown she wore to the White House and the iconic image of her dancing with John Travolta.

    With Kate, I really feel like she chooses her own clothes and that she has already defined a style of her own - and that it will continue to evolve, particularly as her role transitions over the years.

    I see it, but I don't think it's any decree by the Queen or anything so formal. My guess would be that Kate herself takes her role seriously, and especially for the first big tour in awhile, took the time to choose her wardrobe. I wouldn't be surprised if she already knew or even if the Queen mentioned it to her over tea that a bright colour is a good idea in a crowd - I could see the Queen encouraging her, or it could have even been William. I can see her choosing some lower hemlines not because the Queen said anything, but because she knew she'd be photographed coming down the steps of a plane, crouching down to play with George and other children, at a few more somber events, etc. I can also see her still being a bit body conscious since the wedding weight loss and then the baby, so perhaps not being comfortable with showing more leg if they aren't in the shape she'd like or not going with a pencil skirt (which is also not the best choice for getting in and out of vehicles or crouching down to play with children).

    I could see the Queen weighing in more heavily on the jewels - suggesting pieces that were meaningful or that she thought would be suitable for Kate. As Queen she is caretaker of an extraordinary collection and how it is displayed, so of course she'd have an opinion or two about the tour. And that's where it would make a lot of sense of one of the Queen's people met with Kate to go through the choices and get it sorted out.
     
  2. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    William made a couple of snarky remarks about the brightness of the colors she wore, so I doubt it's him. And she is in shape and may be even thinner than ever. There is a picture of her skirt blowing up in the wind upon arrival to NZ affording a really good look at her legs.

    She is taking her role seriously now vs. when? When did Kate ever demonstrate that she didn't take her role seriously? And how are longer skirts a sign of taking her role seriously? What a stereotype. Reminds me of the male CEO saying that women in high heels are dumb.

    Seriously.
     
  3. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

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    Just because we all think she looks great doesn't mean that she doesn't have some insecurities about her appearance. Most people do. For all we know she thinks she needs to lose more weight (I hope not) or that she's conscious of comments that she's too thin, or who knows.

    I never said this is a new thing. I'm going by the fact that their courtship was long and that they even took a break from it. It's one thing to decide to marry someone, it's even another to decide to take a new job. But few potential spouses come with such huge responsibility, and few jobs put you in the global spotlight now and into the history books for centuries to come. So yeah, I think she didn't take the decision lightly, and once she made it and the engagement was announced, she has committed fully to both the marriage and her own role.

    I didn't say that longer skirts are more serious for heaven's sake. I pointed out some potential reasons why she might have chosen a few longer skirts that didn't need to have anything to do with the Queen's influence, which you had suggested was the reason for the lower hemlines. By making her choices seriously I don't mean she's making serious choices; I mean that I think she's putting thought into it rather than just throwing clothes in her suitcase or having someone else do the thinking for her.

    I thought we were discussing the wardrobe and potential decision process, so I was simply contributing a few potential alternatives to the discussion. There's no need to argue about it when we're all just speculating anyway. This is supposed to be fun :)
     
  4. skatesindreams

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    I agree.

    I'm sure she listens to suggestions, if offered; but that the major decisions are hers.
    HMQ, loans the Duchess pieces from her own personal jewelry collection, on occasion.
     
  5. Alixana

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    Years ago, I had a job where I was always out doing meet and greets, and I basically came up with a 'standard uniform' of jackets, dresses and skirts in different colours. For example, if you're going to bend or crouch down to talk to children or people in wheelchairs, that rules out anything too low cut or super fitted around your hips and knees. If you're going to be going up and down stairs or getting in and out of cars in front of a crowd (especially if you're photographed), then you want your hems to be at a certain length and nothing too fitted around the knees but not too flared either. If you're going to be eating in a group setting and then meeting people afterwards, you choose a colour that doesn't show stains as much (and carry that Tide stick in your purse!) So glad to have a job where I can have Pajama Mondays if I choose to! :lol:

    Back to the topic, I think Kate is figuring it out. For me she has more hits than misses with clothes.
     
  6. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    I would not psychoanalyze Kate and her body insecurities. She could be a secure and confident woman ever or a neurotic wreck. We don't know. I don't find it useful or entertaining to make such personal conjectures but whatever floats your boat.
     
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  7. Jenny

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    :confused: You said "if anyone fails to see the Queen's influence in Kate's wardrobe, they are willfully blind" and I simply suggested some other possible reasons for her wardrobe choices. I never said she had some big body image problems or pretended to psychoanalyze. Don't we all make choices about what we wear based on our own ideas of what looks good and what we think is less flattering? I think she's just picking clothes she feels look good on her, that are functional depending on what's on her schedule, and that she enjoys wearing. I don't understand why we're fussing about this when we're all clearly fans of Kate and enjoy chatting about her style together.
     
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  8. IceAlisa

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    You suggested a laundry list of reasons some of which are very improbable, e.g., William (who called her yellow dress a "banana" and thought the green coat was "very bright", so there goes that theory), that Kate is having body insecurities and therefore has longer hemlines (yet her state of physical fitness combined with wearing of body conscious clothing contradicts that). You can come up with other explanations but since quite a few reputable media sources had picked up the Queen made suggestions about wardrobe story , and because I am fond of Occam's razor, I am going to go with that.

    That she wears exactly what the original story suggested, longer hemlines, colors and jewels, the story is pretty much confirmed.
     
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  10. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    With very few exceptions, I agree.
     
  11. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

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    I think she does it better than Diana--I don't notice things like hemlines, and her taste level is much better. Kate tends to pick colors and shapes that generally flatter her, while Diana picked haircuts and colors that were fashionable but looked horrid on her (she never had an attractive haircut in her adult life.) She looks put together and appropriate rather than blindly trendy.
     
  12. IceAlisa

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    ITA. Kate has always known what looks good on her, before she became a royal. She has a very strong sense of self in terms of fashion, make up and hair--her hair has been the same for years in the public eye. Of course, it's beautiful and becoming, so why change it.
     
  13. Lorac

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    Well if you are fond of Occam's razor then in truth you have to go with the simple fact that all those stories quote one source - the UK Daily Mail - which is renowned for it's flawed logic on many occasion. Therefore the most logical - and simple - line of thinking to take in regards to this issue is that the Queen has not made any declarations regarding what she thinks of Kate's wardrobe.

    Kate is now a mother and has become more comfortable and knowledgeable in her role as the Duchess of Cambridge - that alone allows for her variety of choice of clothes on this last tour, which has included both short and longer hemlines, subtle and bright colours, old and new clothes and a mixture of high-street and couture clothing. There have been many hits and a few misses - but all in all we saw a more mature and confident Kate than in the past - who does both herself and her family credit - and good for her I say.
     
  14. PDilemma

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    Yes, because women without children cannot possibly be comfortable or knowledgable of their own role in life. :rolleyes:
     
  15. IceAlisa

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    IKR. :rolleyes: How exactly is Kate more mature and confident now? I don't recall her lacking confidence or maturity, especially when she was married but even before, when she and the Prince had a falling out, she behaved with confidence. How do you even know, Lorac, what her feelings and level of confidence are? Or is it judged by the cut of her clothes and the length of her hemline?

    As to the rest of your post, your logic is just as flawed. A paper says they have a source the Queen will play a role in Kate's wardrobe. While the DM isn't the most reliable and frankly a tabloid, the story gets picked up by major media outlets, including TIME, HuffPo, ABC, etc. What do they know, right? Lorac knows it's not true, but they wouldn't listen and published it anyway.

    And on the tour, lo and behold, Kate is sporting clothes that fit the description in the original DM article AND, most importantly, appear to have the Queen's influence and taste. The simplest thing is that the broken clock, the DM, was right and a palace source did leak this information, not some vague and unfounded references to Kate's newly found maturity and confidence.

    Do you know why this rubs me wrong? I am :angryfire at the implication that longer hemline=maturity and gravitas. This is an existing and very common stereotype in the corporate world and otherwise. Dowdiness does not equal goodliness.
     
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  16. Reuven

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    I get the impression the Duchess is very comfortable in her own skin, and was, before marriage. She knows her rôle, and does a bang-up job at it. Besides, right now, Prince George is hogging the limelight. ;)
     
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  17. AxelAnnie

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    Yes. Too true. And with the super secret fashion sense that comes with motherhood is the gift of extra leisure time to really concentrate on all things wardrobe.
     
  18. Garden Kitty

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  19. Lorac

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  20. PDilemma

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    Where I disagree with you is the Daily Mail foolishness.

    Their story did not prove to be true other than a few longer hemlines which are precisely on trend right now, so that was a safe bet. She wore clothing she has worn before. She wore an Emilia Wickstead dress that was identical to one she had worn a couple of years ago just in a different color. The grey Easter McQueen coat was extremely similar to the coat she wore on the annual Christmas walk to church. The bright colors she chose for this tour reflected the environment and country colors and were mostly colors she has previously worn. The "no high street/ all couture/all custom" from the DM proved completely untrue as she turned up in a shirt from the Gap and an off the rack DVF wrap dress among other things (and the Queen would need a neurologist to check her mental faculties if she had made such an order in a time when the press obsessively tracks the costs of the Duchess's wardrobe!). And the final piece of the DM puzzle was that she would be wearing more royal jewelry. Again, didn't happen at all. She wore one item from the Queen's collection in NZ--which mirrors the Canadian tour in 2011 when she wore the maple leaf brooch. The rest of the jewelry was her usual understated items and all stuff she has worn in public before.

    The broken clock rightly predicted slightly longer hemlines on some (not all) dresses. And that can be attributed to general trend in fashion at this moment.
     
  21. Alixana

    Alixana Definitely NOT a sonogram

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    Too right .. I can be dowdy AND bitchy! :lol: Seriously, we had this conversation at work on another issue and all I can say is AMEN!!
     
  22. Rex

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    Watched the special on Queen Victoria on PBS last night. What an evil, controlling hag she was!! :eek: She loved sex, but hated having children....and she was awful towards her children, especially her daughters.
     
  23. mag

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    I think the length of one's hemline should be decided based on what looks best on one's body and what works for the situation. Long hemlines are not necessarily dowdy just as short ones are not necessarily fashionable or attractive or vice versa. I very rarely wear anything above the knee simply because no matter what I do (diet, exercise etc) I will always have heavy looking knees in comparison to the rest of my body. Kneecap skimming lengths or, for evening, to the floor lengths, look the best on me. My legs are probably my worst feature. Now Kate, IMHO, doesn't have a worst feature. She seems to be able to wear almost anything. Hopefully she will continue to balance style, comfort, and royal presence. I look forward to seeing many more great looks!
     
  24. IceAlisa

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    Prince Harry is single again!
     
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    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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  26. IceAlisa

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    Oh cool, thanks Sylvia. We can't overlook momentous royal news like this. :D
     
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    The snobbishness she has encountered may not have anything to do with race & everything to do with "not being one of our sort". Close-knit wealthy communities don't often embrace outsiders with open arms.
     
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    Hmmm, I don't know a great deal about the matter, but I should think Ms. McQuiston, now married to Viscount Weymouth, is the best person to truly know what she has experienced up close and personal. As far as "close-knit wealthy communities," I think the British aristocracy is not necessarily the same as or necessarily characteristic of "close-knit wealthy communities," particularly those in America. There are all kinds of people in the world and a number of so-called "commoners" whether middle-class, upper-middle-class, or from a recent generation of wealth have married into aristocratic European families. As well, there have been movie stars, television celebs and working-class persons who have married into the aristocracy. Today's aristocracy is quite different from that of the 19th century and early twentieth century. And still even back then a number of wealthy and a few not so wealthy Americans (some Anglo-American) married into the British aristocracy.

    In this particular case, apparently the former Ms. McQuiston knew and was in familiar association with her husband's family from a very young age, and so she's not exactly an outsider to the British upper-classes.

    Thanks for the additional article link centerstage01. Weymouth and his bride look to be very happy together on their wedding day. Weymouth's parents (who skipped their son's wedding) seem to be a very strange pair (and that's putting it mildly). And Emma's mother is hard to look at with all the unfortunate lip-plumping. Oh well, ...