Royalty Thread #5 - Kate Now Officially A MILF

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  1. Zemgirl

    Zemgirl Well-Known Member

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    I see that just like the royal baby, the thread remains unnamed. Maybe "we're working on it" would be an appropriate title here, too :p

    And now for some non-British cuteness: here are the Norwegian royal puppies.
     
  2. Jenny

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    Random thought as I scan through coverage on my lunch hour - I wonder how Peter and Zara Phillips feel about the mother's refusal to allow the Queen to bestow them titles? They were the first of the grandchildren, but as their cousins were born, they all got titles.

    I wonder if it's the way I felt when my mother informed me that she had told my grandparents that she didn't want the family cottage when they died, so my uncle and subsequently my younger cousins got it instead.
     
  3. Skittl1321

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    Now that they are adults, could they request them? I mean, they are 'entitled' to them, right? (ETA: Nope, apparently because they are grandchildren on the female side, they aren't entitled to them by birth...) However, so often you hear from famous people they just want to be normal, and that's why their Mom did it, so maybe they actually prefer it? They still live the high life, title or not. Sorry about your cottage :(


    Are there any family members who were not titled as highly as this new baby because the system was different when they were born? (This baby wouldn't have been a Prince without a new ruling? Or is it just that the girl wouldn't have been a Princess, rather a Lady, but a boy would have been Prince either way?) I wonder how they feel about all the 'rule changes'.
     
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  4. Jenny

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    I don't know about rule changes - I always thought this kind of thing had a lot of tradition, but a lot of leeway for the Queen to do what she wanted as well. Here's the grandchild list, for reference:

    Peter Mark Andrew Phillips b. 15 Nov 1977
    Zara Anne Elizabeth Phillips b. 15 May 1981

    William Arthur Philip Louis Windsor, 1st Duke of Cambridge b. 21 Jun 1982
    Henry Charles Albert David Windsor, Prince of the United Kingdom b. 15 Sep 1984

    Beatrice Elizabeth Mary Mountbatten-Windsor, Princess of York b. 8 Aug 1988
    Eugenie Victoria Helena Mountbatten-Windsor, Princess of York b. 23 Mar 1990

    Lady Louise Alice Elizabeth Mary Windsor b. 8 Nov 2003
    James Alexander Philip Theo Windsor, Viscount Severn b. 17 Dec 2007

    Never noticed this before - further to our discussion re surnames - note that Andrew's children have a different surname than Edward's, and we know that Charles' children have used a third surname, Wales, despite being named Windsor (according to thepeerage.com).
     
  5. dardar1126

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    Here's an interesting article about this very subject:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...t-name-be.html

    What Will the Royal Baby’s Last Name Be?
    by Caroline Linton Jul 22, 2013 1:38 PM EDT

    As if choosing a first name isn’t hard enough, Will and Kate will also have to decide what their baby’s surname will be—if it has one at all. Caroline Linton on the quirky politics of royal last names.
     
  6. Skittl1321

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    Found an article that answers my question. Without the Queen issuing a change, if the baby was a girl she would have been titled Lady (not HRH), a boy would have been Prince (no change required here). The change ensured if the baby was a girl she would also be a princess. (The article mentions if she had twin boys the first would be a Prince, the second just a Lord; due to the change issue, the second boy would be a Prince too.)


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...liam-and-kate-will-be-a-princess-8444692.html

    Titles are weird.
     
  7. Skittl1321

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    They are sort of in the same situation as Zara and Peter. They should be titled Prince and Princess, but their parents declined and went with the lower titles.

    Although, wikipedia says that Zara and Peter are not entitled to a title by right of birth, only if the Queen wanted them to have one; so they weren't exactly 'robbed' of titles they should have been given. Whereas, Lady Louise and Viscount Severn had in their birthright the titles. (Male vs. Female line, I think)
     
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    That article doesn't make sense to me. It implies that this is only a recent development, and yet Harry, Beatrice and Eugenie have all been Prince/Princess from birth.
     
  10. dardar1126

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    Twitter:

     
  11. Jenny

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    Tweets from Clarence House!!

    Have to say I'm disappointed. No offense to those named so, but I've never liked the name George. Alexander has been a favourite with many (and I guess a lot of skating fans!), but I find it a tad trendy. Although I guess they can get away with it, being royalty. Louis is one of William's names, not sure if there's other meaning there.

    Meh. Not looking forward to headlines referring to little Georgy Boy and the like.
     
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    Alexander George Louis would have been better ;)

    Yes, I don't think children of a princess are styled prince/princess. OTOH, the daughter of an Earl, Marquess or Duke is styled the Lady First Name Last Name, while Viscount Severn is a courtesy title, being the Earl of Wessex's secondary title. To the best of my knowledge, Mark Phillips was offered a peerage upon his marriage to the Princess Royal (then princess Anne) but declined.

    A comparable situation to Princess Anne and Mark Phillips was that of Princess Margaret and Antony Armstrong-Jones: after their marriage, he became the Earl of Snowdon and Viscount Linley. The latter title is currently used by their son, while their daughter is the Lady Sarah Chatto.

    (the things you learn from reading historical romance...)

    They are grandchildren of a reigning monarch rather than great-grandchildren. I don't think their kids will be princes and princesses.
     
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    According to Twitter, it's George Alexander Louis.

    ETA: Too late! You guys are quick!
     
  14. Skittl1321

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    They were born to a different position though. The people you named were all born to the male child of a monarch (Zara and Peter to the female child), so they are entitled to Prince/Princess. This baby was born to the -grandchild- of a monarch.


    Excited the baby has a name!
     
  15. Jenny

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    OK I get it now :)

    But I'm still meh on the name. In fact, I'll say it, I don't like it at all.
     
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    I totally called it! Should've made some bets. :)
     
  17. my little pony

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    where's his fourth name? he sounds so unfinished
     
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    How do the British pronounce Louis? I know people with that name who say it different ways. That is going to sway my opinion on the name.
     
  19. dardar1126

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    Or Alexander Louis George. :)

    I'm not thrilled with the name either...maybe because after two recent presidents named George, I'm kinda done with that name for awhile. :rolleyes:

    But, of course, he's a British baby, not an American one, so....
     
  20. Jenny

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    Georgie Porgie, Puddin' and Pie,
    Kissed the girls and made them cry,
    When the boys came out to play
    Georgie Porgie ran away.
     
  21. Catherine M

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    I knew it was going to be George.

    Wonder if they'll do a nickname from Alexander or Louis like "Alex" or "Louie"!? Probably not.
     
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    I must admit, I'm a little surprised at only three names instead of four. But then, the Queen only has three and she's been able to do her job just fine so maybe the lack of a fourth name won't hold him back. :D. George Alexander Louis is a good, solid name.
     
  23. DFJ

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    Ugh.
     
  24. dardar1126

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    Tweet from an American historian:

     
  25. skatingfan5

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    :lol: That's the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that George was the chosen name.

    I can't help having a negative reaction to that name -- stemming in large part from a lazy, plagiarizing partner I had for a psychology project as an undergrad. :shuffle: I will try to overcome my ridiculous dislike by thinking of George Harrison instead whenever memories of George the cheat come to mind. :)
     
  26. Zokko!

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    So it's Boy George ... "do you really want to hurt me?" ;)
     
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    Well, now the Prince of Cambridge has to share his name with one of my pugs, who, of course, came first :p

    O-
     
  29. Jenny

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    Exactly! I see Charles' hand in this mess - grrrr.
     
  30. Zemgirl

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    Just imagine if it had been Prince George Michael.
     
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