Rochette pondering return to Olympics

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  1. ioana

    ioana Well-Known Member

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    I thought Google translate worked fairly well.

    The most interesting part -for me- was hearing she wouldn't have considered ("dreamt", according to the article) coming back without the team event being added into the mix. And, paying tribute to her mother and all the things she did to help her out was also v. nice.
  2. caseyedwards

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    Osmond vs. Rochette is coming!
  3. alilou

    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    ioana thanks for the google translation. (I can never figure out how to work that :duh: )

    And the translation is just fine.
  4. Jammers

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    Joannie was the established skater and Mirai was the new kid on the block in Vancouver compared to the other top skaters. Plus Joannie skated with much more maturity.
  5. alilou

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    Plus Joannie had/has excellent jump technique on all jumps, plus the only mistake she made was a step out on the flip at the beginning.
  6. Mevrouw

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    Translation of the article into 'non google' English:


    In Joannie Rochette’s memory, Russia is a cold country, not to mention glacial. A climate like its people. She is not indifferent to learn that Sochi is located 800 kilometers south of Moscow, and grows palm trees. To commit to the 2014 Olympic Games, it is only that ... she is not ready to commit. Yet.

    With fewer than 500 days to the Sochi Olympics, Rochette has not yet decided to get back in. "At this point, I really can’t give an answer. It changes every day,” summed up the 26 years old skater, whom we met yesterday afternoon before a workout.

    "If I were to go to the Games, Rochette continued, it would be one of the biggest challenges that I have ever attempted, just to make the team and compete at the Canadian championships. That's why I hesitate. It's hard. "

    The athlete, born in Île Dupas, is torn.

    Rochette has never been able to draw a line under her amateur career, which still pulls at her. She thought about taking a year or two before being caught by the whirlwind that followed her bronze medal at the Vancouver Olympics, in the circumstances that we know. For two and a half years, she has skated in professional shows at the rate of fifty a year, but each time asking the permission of the Canadian federation, which allows her to retain her amateur status with the International Skating Union.

    "I have not lost very much"

    This schedule has allowed her to keep in shape and retain technical level up. "What surprises me is that I have not lost very much," she confirmed, and who will participate Friday in a professional competition in Japan. "I still have triple-triple combinations when I compete. I am at a level astonishingly close to where I was in 2010. It almost annoys me ... "

    It would be so much easier if she was not still competetive! The level of competition at the last World Championships in Nice, where Italy's Carolina Kostner, a former rival won with only five triple jumps, also tickled Quebecer. "I might have been able to win," the 2009 silver medalist couldn’t help but think.

    To claim an individual medal in Sochi is another story. The skater will then be 28 and three years without competition are not be without consequences, including what the judges might think. Aware of what is going on in the skating world, Rochette can’t help but know that a new generation of Russian skaters may emerge in 2014.

    Clearly, Rochette fears that a sixth or seventh place finish in Sochi - what would otherwise be a fine personal achievement – would overshadow her bronze medal in Vancouver. "As an Olympic athlete, you always want to do better or match what you did in the past. How would that be seen by people? Because there are always expectations. I do not know how I would live with that in the future. "

    She remembers a conference of ex-skier Brian Stemmle. Very emotional, he never really digested his swan song at the Nagano Olympics when he missed a turn at the end of a run where gold seemed to be in his grasp.

    Rochette would also have to find a new coach. Manon Perron, who worked with her right up to Vancouver, is now in charge of development in the province of Quebec. Joannie met her two weeks ago for advice. And so? "I could go either way," said the smiling six-time Canadian champion, who would have no doubt preferred a more definite opinion.

    A determining factor

    A crucial factor might tip the balance: the inclusion of a new team event at the Olympics in Sochi, without which Rochette would never dream of returning to the circuit.

    With the recent retirement of Cynthia Phaneuf, her presence could be crucial for Canada, already well represented in the other three disciplines. The idea of makong history and participating in a team competition intrigues her.

    "If Joannie wants to return and get back to work, of course we would be very happy," affirmed the high performance director for Skate Canada, Mike Slipchuk, saying she should first establish herself again on the national level .

    Ambivalent, Rochette has given herself until January to decide. "To get there, I know how intense it is, said two-time Olympian. I am willing to make the effort, but it is a big investment of time and effort, both physically and emotionally. Your social life goes by the board. This is not a decision to be taken lightly. "

    Mother and coach in life ...
    Joannie Rochette doesn’t really remember the Vancouver Olympics. The tragic death of her mother has blocked everything out. "I had a big “down” after the Games. For two years, I was torn up about it. It's starting to get better. "
    With hindsight, Rochette understands better the role played by her mother during hr career. "She was my life coach, my manager, my secretary, she listed. It was she who made the link between my personal and professional lives. She was my psychologist, my confidante. She had encouraged me, to see me skate. I did not realize, but it was a full-time job. "
    The 26 year old skater says she has had to take that into account in the process of thinking about the decision for the Sochi Games. "I will not be able to hide the fact that she is no longer there, it's hard."
  7. julieann

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    The Canadian federation is probably only worried about who can get them the team gold.
  8. Rock2

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    Based on what I saw in Germany I'm now actually dreaming of Osmond AND Rochette in Sochi, which mere months ago I would have thought impossible.

    I think Osmond's performance in Windsor will help us see if she really is the carefree competitor she claims to be. It's that attitude that just may make her able to handle representing Canada in London. I think Slipper has assessed that already and is why they didn't even put her near a JGP.
  9. BigB08822

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    That doesn't apply, EVER. You earn your spot, no one has anything taken from them. No one is cutting in line at the cafeteria. This is my biggest pet peeve when talking to figure skating fans.
  10. PeterG

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    That's not true. If Michelle Kwan said that she was going to return to competitive skating, everyone on this board would be saying, "step aside Kwan, it's Rachael Flatt's turn now!!!"
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  11. AJ Skatefan

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    Plus didn't Joannie do more triples than Mirai?
  12. Karpenko

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    She really doesn't even need to be in optimal form to make another Olympic team at this point IMO, she's got nothing to lose either so I suspect she will be back. I've missed her powerful, effortless skating.
  13. briancoogaert

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    ITA.
    It seems she doesn't want to finish 6th or 7th at the Olympics. But with the team competition, she is likely to have another Olympic medal if she makes the olympic team !
  14. rvi5

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    The article mentions Joannie has not lost much regarding her skating skills. If so, she would be likely to win the Canadian championship in January. If she does, it will be her 7th win. Joannie will have surpassed Jennifer Robinson for the most wins in modern history (currently she is tied with Jennifer at 6 wins).
  15. antmanb

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    Like all of the comeback kids, I'll believe it when I see them on the ice. Sochi is 16 months away and she doesn't have a coach and hasn't resumed competition training.

    Saying you've lost none of your technical skills, even if you can land those jumps in isolation in practice and the reality of doing an SP and LP with full technical content are very different places.

    Does she automatically qualify for Canadian nationals this season?

    If she was serious about returning the wheels should have been put in motion sooner than now, and she's not even saying she'll make a decision before January....when are Canadian nationals?
  16. ioana

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    This season, January 13-20, 2013. I never got the impression she planned to be back this season. If she were to compete again, it would be only for 2014. And January should give her enough time to get ready if she does come back, IMO.
    I only saw her skate live at Riverdance on ice, but the way she generates effortless speed and uses her edges is :swoon:-worthy. I'd be thrilled she she came back.
  17. euterpe

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    If Joannie doesn't want to skate singles at the Olympics, she'd better hope Osmond earns two places for Sochi at Worlds 2013.
  18. Simone411

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    Good for Joannie! That's awesome if she wishes to come back. More power to her! :respec: :cheer2: :40beers:
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    The only way Rochette can compete in the team event but not singles is if Canada does not earn a spot for Ladies in Sochi either in London or at the Olympic qualifier. Otherwise, all competitors in the team event have to compete in their discipline.

    It's possible for a country to have two skaters/teams and have only one compete in both phases of the team competition.
  20. AxelAnnie

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    Even of that were my thought about another skater.... Joanne gets a pass for anything she would ever want to do on any sheet of ice. her courage and grace at the last Olympics...... priceless
  21. alilou

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    Joannie did 7 triples, level 4 spiral sequence, and 3 level 4 spins. Mirai did 6 triples, level 2 spiral sequence, and one level 3 and 2 level 4 spins. Even so Mirai still beat Joannie technically. Interestingly, even Laura Lepisto beat Mirai in the LP. I think Joannie was gifted a little maybe in PCS, and Mirai robbed a little, but I still think Joannie deserved her bronze medal.
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  22. johndockley92

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    Still wish this competition didn't include skaters already competing in the individual events (IE separate athletes, like if Evan and Jeremy competed in men, then Johnny would be sent to compete in the team portion) so that more skaters could get the olympic experience and deeper countries would be rewarded.
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    I have no idea why you think, say, the US pair team #3 should get an Olympic medal but not the US pair teams #1 and #2.
  24. leafygreens

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    I look at it more as, the same skater gets two chances for a medal, like competing in all-around and team events. There wouldn't be different people on the team that weren't in the all-around.
  25. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    I agree. Like when Michael Phelps won his first Olympic medal, he should have dropped out of all other events so that the following medals could be shared more evenly.

    :p
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    Sorry, PeterG, the swimming analogy doesn't fly: he had to qualify for each individual event separately.

    If figure skating were like swimming, the skaters/teams would qualify for the individual events, and the team events <relays> would be chosen by TPTB.

    :p
  27. Japanfan

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    I must in a very small minority because I groan inwardly every time an Olympic come-back is announced. This is in part because the skaters who announce possible or certain come-backs for the Olympics often never get there, but get oodles and oodles of media attention.

    And in part it is because I'm not crazy about the skaters currently making definite or possible come-backs: Weir, Lysacek, Yunah, Plush, and now Joannie. The idea that Yunah and Joannie might make the 2014 podium because none of the other ladies bring their A game would IMO mean that the ladies event was really sub-par.

    But I agree that it would best for Joannie to come back in 2013 if she comes back at all. This would be best for her and best for Canada. Making a late come-back often doesn't work out, as was the case with Cohen.
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  28. OliviaPug

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    I personally think comebacks are risky and, therefore, exciting. Of course they often don't work out, but that's what makes the few success stories that much more exciting. If the skater is good enough to make their national team, then so be it. And yay for them! And if they go further, double yay for them! That doesn't mean I don't feel badly for the skaters who have been training the entire Olympic cycle and just don't make it. But it is competition after all, and may the best skater win.

    Joannie should try to quiet the "noise" around her and follow her heart.

    O-
  29. PeterG

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    Not necessarilly. It's entirely possible that all of the top 10 ladies will skate brilliantly, but if Joannie and Yu-Na skate really brilliantly, then they will deserve to be on the podium in place of the others.
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  30. Jammers

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    I just really don't want to see some of these skaters that we've been watching for as long as 8 years and two Olympics competing in Sochi. Call me weird but i want to see the new girls fighting it out. The others have had their time.
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    I think the skating team event would work a lot better if they did follow the model of the swimming medley relay instead of the overpopulated gymnastics event.

    Hold the team event last and let the teams and competitors be determined by how folks skated in the individual events. It would probably work best just to use the SP/SD for team qualifying. They could bring forward the SP scores and then just do free programs again for the team event. If they limited it to the top 5 or 6 teams, they could get the whole thing over with in one extra day. That way it wouldn't be necessary to hold half the individual medal events before the opening ceremonies. Totally hate that.
  33. Susan M

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    I think her jump schedule would tell us more than her overall placement against other retired skaters.

    They actually have posted protocols for this event. Rochette's program had technical elements similar to a short program (with an extra 3T instead of a 2A).

    Jumps: 3T-2T, 3S and 3T
    Spins: level 1, level 2, level2
    FW: Level 1
    Spirals - Level 2

    Looking at that, she would have a long way to go to be competitive at Worlds.
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    So I will plead ignorant. There is now a Team competition? Why shouldn't she join it? Hell, she's got the shoulders and arms to whip herself right into a team comp. I'd rather see Joannie muscle her way through a team comp than some nobody.

    At this moment I could not tell you who is the current world gold medalist. Ten seconds later, nada. No JPN, no USA. Why wouldn't Joannie have a shot? Go for it, JR.

    Was it Lepisto? Kostner? That Russian girl who skated to Marilyn Monroe?!?!? I know I could do an easy google search, but the fact that I'm not even sure who is WC is odd. Was it that Russian woman who is sooooo going to be surpassed this year? Whose lutz and flip are identical?
  36. Susan M

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    There are probably other Canadian ladies who think they should go if she can't do more than 3S and 3T. Canadian ladies are not deep at this point, but there is a youngster up from juniors who would probaby be stronger than Rochette could be by next year. I don't know who their second lady would be - Lacoste?

    BTW last year's World podium was 1. Kostner, 2. Leonova, 3. Suzuki.
    (You're right, though, ladies event at present is kind of dull.)
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    That's assuming that a Canadian Lady will make top 10 in London to earn two spots. Otherwise, if a Canadian Lady qualifies for the Olympics in London or at the Fall Olympic qualifier, the one Lady who makes the Olympic team in January 2014 will compete, by definition, in both the Team and the Individual events.
  38. Iceman

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    Didn't know Kimmie had competed here.
  39. Really

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    Wow...she skates in a pro event and doesn't do loop, flip and lutz, and people are writing her off?

    :blah:
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    Jaded Nagasu fans are sooooooo :EVILLE::2faced:.