Rochette pondering return to Olympics

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  1. npavel

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    from Japan Open: Rochette FS TES score 50.74 PCS 62.00 Tot 112.74 in the free skate, witch is lower than all Kostners FS this year. And Japan Open isn't the same as GP or 4CC or Worlds. Nevertheless I would like Rochette to came back, just not expecting her to automatically be on the podium
    Carolina has done a lot of lutzes last season, but she opted not to include them in her competition program. Witch doesn't mean she wouldn't do it in future
  2. Triple Butz

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    I know she was dealing with a lot after the Olympics and probably made the right decisions for herself, but part of me wishes she would have stayed in and nabbed a world title. The performances we've seen at the last two WC could have been easily beaten by a solid Joannie IMO. Whatever she decides, I wish her the best and if she comes back I will enjoy watching her no matter where she places.
  3. euterpe

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    So then Rochette would probably prefer that Canada doesn't qualify a lady for Sochi at Nebelhorn (or whatever the qualifying event turns out to be). That way, she would have to do only the team event and not singles.

    I wonder how Skate Canada would look at it: would they be willing to have NO lady in the singles event in order to get Rochette for the team event?
  4. screech

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    Who would be her coach, since IIRC her coach is now somewhat retired and instead focusing on a position with Skate Canada?
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    That is not the case. A country can substitute up to two skaters/teams for the FS/FD, if they qualify more than one in the discipline for individual events.

    I'm sure Rochette would prefer a scenario where she only did the team event, but considering that for 2010, Ladies placing 1-21* in LA qualified, it would take a pretty big meltdown for Canada not to qualify a single Ladies skater in London. Even had Russia #3 and USA #2 placed above her, Lacoste still would have made it this year. I don't think Skate Canada would remain credible if they didn't have a Ladies competitor at London.

    *Men up to 23rd place, Pairs up to 13th place, and Dance up to 17th place qualified at LA (Comm. 1568). Georgia didn't use its second Ladies spot, and there was an extra qualifier spot at Nebelhorn.
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  6. jeb

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    I thought countries could earn one Olympic spot by having a skater place in the top 24 at the previous Worlds. If the total number of skaters that qualify that way (ie one per country with a skater in the top 24, plus the extra spots for the countries that qualify 2 or 3 skaters) is less than 30, then the extra spots are awarded based on the Qualifying Competition (like Nebelhorn).
  7. npavel

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    last time it was top 18 who earned one spot
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    Why wouldn't she want to do singles anyway? She'd have programs for SP and LP, why not at least compete? She's guaranteed at least a top ten spot IMO which would not be anything to scoff at. And she could, with all the inconsistencies of ladies in recent years, very well medal. And if she competes in the team event IMO they have a fairly legitimate shot at gold
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    It depends on the year and the competition, but Top 24 didn't guarantee a spot in Vancouver:

    Ladies: Top 21, 24 spots altogether (one not used)
    Men: Top 23, 24 spots altogether

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    Pairs: Top 13, 16 spots altogether
    Dance: Top 17, 19 spots altogether

    She might for the experience, or if she's happy if she already earned a team medal, since team comes first, but she might not want to risk doing worse than in her first two Olympics. Also, training hard on tour is different than putting most things aside and focusing on full-time training and competition.
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  11. Vash01

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    Is there a rule giving automatic entry to a reigning Olympic medallist? If not, Canada should just send Joannie to the 2013 worlds. She will finish in top 10, and secure a spot at the Olympics.
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    Yes, they are given to countries with three spots first and two spots second, but no, for Vancouver, ITA, SVK, EST, GER, POL, GBR, and TUR earned one spot each, with skaters placing 12-21 in LA.

    The zip file would not open for me; I'm not sure if this rule is for one spot only, although, practically speaking, it would be hard to qualify that way unless there was a serious injury to a lone, top skater from that country.

    No. Olympic qualification is like Worlds: it's country, not personal, qualification.

    It's highly likely that Lacoste or Phaneuf will secure a spot in London, and if Rochette wanted to skate singles, she could compete in the qualifier (presumably Nebelhorn) in the Fall without skating in London. Even if no one qualifies through London or the Fall qualifier, Canada would be able to choose a Ladies skater to compete in the team event.

    ETA: For Torino, in Ladies five countries (CRO, CHE, GER, AUS, SWE) earned single spots up to 19th place in a year where three countries earned three (RUS, USA, JPN) and five countries earned two (ITA, CAN, FIN, UKR, HUN). In Men, eight countries (BUL, SWE, JPN, CHN, ROM, ISR, ITA, BLR) earned single spots up to 22nd place, with two countries with three (CAN, USA) and five countries with two (CHE, CHN, FRA, BEL, RUS).
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  13. PeterG

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    With Yu-Na's recent announcement, I am ready to Joannie to make a similar one. Yup. I'm ready. Ready, ready, ready!!! :D :rofl: :cheer2: :cheer:
  14. MR-FAN

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    Imagine if we have a repeat of Vancouver's podium!!! :swoon:

    mmm, on second thought, I REALLY want Kostner to medal :p
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    ok, y'all,
    Don't be bumpin up this thread without some hard core goodies to share!!
  16. briancoogaert

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    Well, a Kostner, Kim and Rochette podium in any order would be great, for me. :swoon:
  17. Alex Forrest

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    I hope Joannie returns to the Olympics just so she can enjoy this one. I admired her strength in Vancouver, because anyone who has lost a close family member probably knows the zone/out-of-body feeling in those next days and weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if she has only vague memories of Vancouver. She deserves a happy Olympics and maybe it will also provide closure on not just her grief but the career her mother helped build with her. She has my support.
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    I'm all for a Joannie comeback, but I would think her 2006 Oly experience would have been a happy one, no? 5th place with one of the best FS of the event!
  19. briancoogaert

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    And the best 3Lutz/2Toe combo in the SP !!!
  20. euterpe

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    Joannie has been in two Olympics and skated beautifully in each. I think it's time for another Canadian lady to have the Olympic experience.

    It isn't as if Joannie is all gung ho for Sochi, as she's made no plans to return for the coming season, and she chose to do the pro Japan event rather than the Japan Open. IMO, Joannie far prefers exhibition skating to competition. Skating four programs at Sochi when she's been away from competitive skating for four years is probably not what she really wants todo.
  21. overedge

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    I can't even begin to imagine the amount of media attention she would be subjected to if she came back. That could certainly make the Olympics a less than happy experience for her. I hope that has figured into her calculations.

    [already imagining the sobfest that NBC would make from her story :eek:]
  22. pinky166

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    I'd love to see Joannie back, but have to doubt whether this will actually happen. She's been saying "maybe" to coming back to competition for awhile now and has yet to actually do it...
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    I don't think that Rochette should come back if she doesn't want to, but Phaneuf was in Vancouver.

    I wish that if she does plan to come back, that she'd do it this year, to earn two spots for next, so that if Osmond, for example, the only Canadian lady to make the TES minimum for Worlds last year, and in junior competition, were to have a great year, or Lacoste were to control her nerves, and either were to come close but miss top 10 in London, that Rochette wouldn't swoop in and get the single spot.
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  24. Mevrouw

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    I'll be very happy if Joannie wants to come back to competition and does. I think Kaetlyn Osmond will be in contention for 2nd at nationals, but it remains to be seen if Cynthia's time with Orser will result in better performances under pressure.
  25. ltnskater

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    In most cases, I would agree with you... except looking at the Canadian ladies, we have Cynthia, who already had an olympics in Vancouver, I can't really think of anyone else other than Lacoste or Osmond (who is still just moving up to senior). On top of that, if Joannie were to come back, she would probably (hopefully) skate at 2013 worlds? and win back 2 spots... so her and another lady can get the second spot for the Olympics. But then again, I think I'm being hopeful... I would love to see Joannie return!
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    Rochette said that she was planning to be a spectator in London. She could, of course, change her mind.
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    I hate this argument. The Olympics is not a charity event. If any of the Canadian ladies want to compete at the Olympics, then they can go head to head with the best skaters in their country(which may include Joannie) and earn their place.

    IMO
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    And IMO

    Besides what Cdn lady? Phaneuf and Lacoste have proven over and over they can't bring it when it counts. Sigh. ATM that leaves Osmond. Really hoping that Osmond will have what it takes - as a skater and as a competitor.
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  29. Alex Forrest

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    I agree. Especially now with the NJS a former pro cannot just join in unless they have done their homework and honed their jumps, spins, FW, etc to satisfy the requirements. It always has seemed like a weak complaint "Let the new ones have THEIR TURN". Well, you want your turn, you get your levels up, skate consistently and then see what happens. Cohen wasn't gifted another Olys, she had to work for it, and she didn't make it. I have been unimpressed with CDN ladies forever except for Rochette. It's not Rochette's problem that no one else in Canada will step up to the plate. It's still her 'turn' as far as I'm concerned.
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    That doesn't apply anywhere..EVER. No one gets a turn or a chance. You earn your spot, fair and square. This is an Olympic sport, not a tee ball tournament where everyone gets a hit and to run around the bases.
  31. euterpe

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    Posters are pretty much saying that if Rochette wants it, she automatically gets the ONE ladies place. I think she should have to earn it just like anyone else, and that means competing prior to the Olympics---and not just at the National level. It seems that she will not compete in the coming season, except at a pro event in Japan.

    If Joannie DID compete in the 2013-2014 season and fairly won her ticket to Sochi, that would be her last eligible competition, leaving Canada once again with no leading lady skater.

    At some point, Canada needs to develop its ladies talent. It isn't fair to Rochette or the other Canadian ladies to depend on Rochette to step in and 'save the day'.
  32. lise

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    it may not be fair but the others need to step up. The fact that since Joannie took a break, no one has stepped up to the plate and took over. There is talent coming up, but i could see SC buttering up Joannie to come back.

    I went to SOI and saw her skate next to Cynthia. Honestly, it was night and day; Joannie is a much stronger skater and skates with much more confidence than she used to. Her artisitic side has developed considerably and to imo, she is the most complete skater we've had in more recent years and truthfully, the only one that is competitive on the world stage at this time.

    i certainly hope she comes back as I believe she can win Worlds but i want her to come back on her own terms. We do need her for now but this season and next could be Osmond's time to develop the skills she needs without without the big spotlight. skate Canada did the same to Jen Robinson in 2003 and 2004 in terms of asking her to come back as we were facing the same problems.
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    Where are posters saying that she should automatically get the ONE Olympic spot? People are talking about hypothetical situations where Joannie may or may not compete this season or next and what expectations may or may not be placed on her. Nobody is saying screw the up and coming ladies and just hand the Olympic spot to Joannie. :confused:


    Again, you can't take away a position that someone doesn't have and hasn't earned, and that includes a "leadership" position. Currently there is no leading Canadian lady IMO and and if Joannie comes back and pushes the current envelope, you could argue that this will do more for the development of Canadian ladies than simply going with whoever falls the least *cough* Phaneuf/Lacoste *cough* .

    If these girls want a spot on the Olympic team, then they need to up their game and fight for it. That's how champions are made. JMO
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    If Rochette is considering of a comeback because she just loves to compete, that is understandable. Maybe I´m wrong, but my impression has been that her best results she has achieved in competitions held in NA?
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    I think what most of us are saying is that, at this point, Rochette could win the Canadian Nationals SP with her exhibition skate, and could win the whole thing with Kostner-level technical content, although she's likely to have more than that anyway. No one is saying that Skate Canada is going to appoint her to the spot, or that the ISU will give her a minimum score bye, if there is a minimum score for the Olympics.
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    Can someone explain why Rochette was over 10 points higher than a clean Nagasu at the last Olys? After taking off my rose-colored glasses, I really think Nagasu should have been closer.
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    That screeching sound you hear is the result of the sharp left turn this thread just took.
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  38. caseyedwards

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    Nagasu PCS was very poor. TES was fine but PCS poor - like Rochette in Torino!!!
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    Anyone want to translate the important stuff.....