Rise: the Movie

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  1. SkateFan66

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    At the Friends of Figure Skating breakfast that was held in Greensboro,the U.S. Figure Skating Association said that a DVD of RISE would be released in the Fall.
     
  2. miffy

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    Fantastic! That is great news. I am sure so many of us outside the US (and those in the US who can't make it that night) would love to buy the DVD, and it would raise more money for the fund too.

    I bought and read the book about the team and the crash last week and I enjoyed it, although I thought the bits where the author imagined what they said/did was a little strange. But apart from that it was a fascinating (and very sad) book.
     
  3. Yazmeen

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    So, should one be at the theatre for a 7:30 start, or 8:00 PM?
     
  4. FSWer

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    I can't access youtube.But does anyone happen to have a link to the photos of all the Skaters at the actual Nationals,and all 4 Disciplines?
     
  5. Sasha'sSpins

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    That writing style IS a bit strange.

    I remember years ago I read a book about Patsy Cline (yeah me a Rock fan) but I had seen the movie "Sweet Dreams" and was curious about her. The book was written in the first person-for Patsy, and everyone in the story. Even up to the moment when the plane was about to crash into the mountain. :(

    I plan on being there an hour ahead with my nephews. To give us time to buy popcorn, etc. and get some seats together if we can. :lol:

    I don't know of a link with photos of all the skaters at Nationals-the RISE sight doesn't seem to have that option. On the Find a Grave site there are some photos but I don't know if they're from Nationals:

    http://www.findagrave.com/php/famous.php?FSctf=233&page=pr
     
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  6. FSWer

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    I surely hope that if it get's DVD.,I surely HOPE you'll be able to buy it in stores and on Amazon.com. That would be COOL!!! Rise.....own it on DVD!!!! I also hope that along with that,that they also get smart...and put it On Demand Free Movies!!!
     
  7. FSWer

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    BTW. did we ever find out anythng about what ever ended up happening with Larry Pierce's origanal Partner (I forgot her name)? Did she ever recover,did she ever find another Partner,do we know anything about what happened to her too?
     
  8. CoyoteChris

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    I asked about the DVD at the Friends of Figure Skating Breakfast at US Nationals when they were giving a lecture about Rise and they said a DVD would indeed be released about October 2011. Dont know the price.
     
  9. SwingDancer

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    That is something I would like to know, also about Tim Brown, and what did Scott Allen due after winning Bronze in 1964, I feel that he never got enough credit or recognition for winning an olympic medal a mere 3 years after the crash. It always seems like the story is told that Peggy won the first medal after the crash, which is not true.
     
  10. nylynnr

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    Re: questions on Marilyn Meeker (Larry Pierce's former partner) and Scott Ethan Allen-IIRC Meeker eventually formed a pro partnership with Ron Ludington. Later she taught skating for a time in Indiana and, I think, eventually left the sport to pursue other things. Allen continued competing after '64 but there were a lot of other strong men in the U.S., including Tim Wood, Misha Petkevich and Gary Visounti, and he didn't make the '68 Olympic team. He did compete at '68 Worlds and placed 4th. He then went to Harvard, so I assume he made a career outside of figure skating.
     
  11. Frau Muller

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    re. Tim Brown:

    I just re-watched his 1960 Nationals LP this weekend and must say: Tim Brown must have been the "Weir Spirit" of his day!!! He skated his last jump OFF the ice and onto the walkway and ran backstage, never going out for a bow. No wonder the USFS judges (in their hilarious dunce hats!) scored this three-times Worlds medalist (2 silvers and one bronze) and 1960 Olympian (5th place) very low in presentation, even a 5.0. I suppose that he was bitter for having been in 3rd place after figures, so he basically "pulled a Surya" and said "feck-it" to the establishment.

    In retrospect, his bitterness saved his life. He could have gone to Worlds but ceded his spot to 4th-place Doug Ramsey.

    re. upcoming DVD of RISE: This is great news. Even better would be if the producers could include the complete 1961 Nationals telecast as an "extra"! (It's about 90 minutes but, hey, it doesn't hurt to ask...maybe make it a 2-DVD set?)
     
  12. floskate

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    Artistically Tim was waaay ahead of his time. So unique, groundbreaking in many ways. I've never read anything about his being bitter at the establishment. He withdrew from the World team due to a serious illness - I'm sure I read it was a heart condition somewhere but I'm not sure. It was this that saved his life not bitterness at the USFSA.

    I have been told from someone who was there that his 1957 US Nationals LP was artistically just amazing, although I have never seen it. I do hope it turns up. I also agree that adding in a DVD of the 1961 would be a great touch. I have it already but the quality is not the best as you can see from the clip of Doug Ramsey I posted. From the RISE promo's and trailers I have seen, it does seem as though a lot of restoration work has gone into the original film reels.
     
  13. Frau Muller

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    Does anyone know if the 1990s pro champ Anita Hartshorne (who skated pairs with Frank Sweiding) is related to the skating judge & ice dancer Harold Hartshorne who perished in the 1961 crash, along with his 4th wife Louisa ?

    to floskate -

    Thanks for the answers re. Brown, etc. Yes, I too had read of the illness reason for pulling out but I've also read that it was an iffy excuse, that he also just wanted to get on with his studies. Then I saw the film and how he stormed off the ice...or jumped off or whatever. :) Even Dick Button said "This guy is hard to predict..." or something similar.

    Regardless of the reason for not being on the Worlds team...do you know why he simply jumped from the ice to the walkway and kept going, without a single bow? Whether talked about or not, it definitely gave the impression that he was fed up. A crazy gesture.
     
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  14. floskate

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    I'm not sure it was any kind of gesture, but an actual choreographic choice. That's what I've been told by those that knew him:) John Curry did it also in one of his professional programs at MSG.
     
  15. Frau Muller

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    But I bet that John Curry came out and bowed to the audience after. So did Scott Hamilton after his pro routine "In the Mood" at World Pros...although I believe that the music suddently blared and he skated back onto the ice. That's a classic. (Sorry to digress!)
     
  16. floskate

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    It cuts straight to the judges marks on the video so there is no way of really knowing if he did come out to bow or not, unless someone who was there can enlighten us. Perhaps the original broadcast - much like today - went to a commercial break at this point? Considering the lack of technical content and the step outs on the lutz and flip I think it's highly possible he was injured or even already suffering from the illness that prompted his withdrawal from the World team.
     
  17. Sylvia

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    Here's a Lake Placid (NY) News article that interviews author Patricia Shelley Bushman about her new book, Indelible Tracings: The story of the 1961 U.S. World Figure Skating Team:
    http://www.lakeplacidnews.com/page/...killed-1961-Figure-Skating-Team.html?nav=5005
     
  18. Wyliefan

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    Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but I can't seem to find it -- anyone know how long the film lasts? The friend I invited may have to work an early shift the next day, and doesn't want to be out too late.
     
  19. Frau Muller

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    Oh, you'll want to look again. He runs off and the long-shot camera stays with them after he went through the door/tunnel to the dressing room. Some of the officials standing by the boards, including a nurse, went running into the dressing room, after him. It could be that he was seriously ill (?).

    I too have the 'shaky' version of the entire broadcast on tape, recently converted to DVD. Watched all this weekend. When I first saw it 3-4 years ago, I was most taken by the three ladies, especially the artistry of the winner, Laurence Owen, and the sheer power of the 1st minute of Rhode L. Michelson's skate. Every skate is a gem but, at the latest viewing, I have to say that my new-absolute-fave from this film is the men's winner, Bradley Lord's, skate to Pagliacci, especially his series of four quickly-alternating spread eagles in time to a crucial piece of music...hard to describe except that the effect was "WOW!" . [Many of the skaters opted for orchestral arrangements of opera/operetta, e.g., Aida, Tosca, Perichole, Pagliacci, etc.] I also have a soft spot for the "guy in the glasses," Larry Pierce, who seemed to be a really fun person even in those few seconds of interview with Dick Button & Bud Palmer. They all were great, really...a gem of a telecast, on many levels.
     
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  20. Frau Muller

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    Ninety (90) minutes, including ads, fluff, etc....if you mean the 1961 telecast, that is.

    I checked fandango.com for the new film, RISE. Couldn't find the time, although this would normally be included in the fandango blurb. Feature docs are usually 80-90 minutes but aren't they adding some special 'live' performances from current skater(s)...Evan? Hence, I'm guessing that this will be a 2-hour event (film + special skates)? I'd be really surprised if this goes past 2 hours, total.
     
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  21. floskate

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    Yes I know but then it cuts abruptly to the referee whistling for the marks so, as I say, we may never really know. I agree it's wonderful to be able to see the whole broadcast. I also wonder if they've managed to get hold of the 1961 North American Championships which were held just days before the flight. I have some home video of it but it's hard to make out who everyone is. By all accounts Laurance Owen skated much better there than she did at Nationals.

    ETA: Reading that article posted by Sylvia, you'd think that it was only the skating team and those associated with them who were onboard! Never mind all those non-skating civilians who also perished! :rolleyes: However this book looks much more promising than Nikki Nichols book on the tragedy which is full of inaccuracies, not to mention the wierd made up dialogue that punctuates it throughout.
     
  22. Wyliefan

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    I meant the film. Thanks for checking.
     
  23. Frau Muller

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    Yes, I was wondering if, on another thread, any FSUer had compared the two books on the '61 team and the crash -

    Frozen in Time (2005) by Nikki Nichols

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    Indelible Tracings (2010) by Patricia S. Bushman

    ...other than the fact that the latter is 300 pages longer than the former. Sounds like the newer tome is better researched, more complete. The earlier one was nice-to-have but quite sketchy. I've just ordered the newer one from Amazon.com. Looking forward to reading it...hopefully before the RISE premiere.
     
  24. caseyedwards

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    I haven't seen "Anita Hartshorn" that is spelled with an e. I don't think it is the same name.
     
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    Just saw that an exhibit in honor of the 1961 U.S. Team opens tomorrow at 4:30pm, local time, at the USFS hq's museum in Colorado Springs. The author of Indelible Tracings will be there for tomorrow's opener, along with members of the current Team USA!

    http://www.worldskatingmuseum.org/61_exhibit.htm
     
  27. FSWer

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    That would be COOL!!!! I hope they release it...unedited.
     
  28. FSWer

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    So, are we saying that Maillyn found a new Partner after Larry? As well as coached? Were is she today? Does she still skate?
     
  29. Sasha'sSpins

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    Per IMDB the documentary RISE (2011) is 75 minutes long:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1808440/
     
  30. Debbie S

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    There is also a post-show, with the exhibitions that were filmed at Nats. I originally heard about a red carpet arrival/pre-show that would be aired before the movie started. I think the whole thing together is about an hour and a half.