Revenge - Season 2

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  1. Bostonfan

    Bostonfan Well-Known Member

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    Charlotte is aware that David Clarke is her biological father. At the time she found out, Fauxmanda was gone, so she had no way to reach out to her even if she wanted to.

    And while we saw a glimmer of Ashley letting Daniel cry on her shoulder when last season ended, Emily was unaware of it because she went abroad to re-focus.
     
  2. ArtisticFan

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    The original actor was unavailable this season so the part was recast.

    On the season finale there was a scene where Ashley said something about being sorry that she had told Daniel about Emanda and Jack kissing. He responded that he was glad to know now rather than after the wedding. She told him that she always had his back. Then he poured them drinks and they stared at each other over the glasses.

    I'm guessing the time line is that Emanda left for Japan right after the finale so she wasn't aware or even concerned with who Daniel was hooking up with at the time.

    Charlotte knows that David's her father. Remember the scene last season where Emanda and Char were looking at the photos (that's where Emanda first learned of the white haired man). So my take on it is that in her moment of desperation - being dragged back to rehab - Char had four choices of people to confide in:

    1. Conrad - The man had already rejected her once when he found out her paternity. Not to mention she could see he was believing the therapist.

    2. Daniel - Better than Conrad, but the man was in a drunken stupor by then.

    3. Ashley - As far as Char is concerned, Ashley is the hired help. She has been in rehab for the entirety of Ashley and Daniel's relationship. So she doesn't really know her except to say that Ashley is trying to take on the role as the new Victoria.

    4. Emanda - While she doesn't know that Emanda is her half sister, she does know that she has been kind to her and even came to the art auction at her request. Though tentative, the two appear to have some connection and understanding.
     
  3. Bostonfan

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    Although this has nothing to do with the overall narrative of the story, I get a wicked sense of glee imagining Ashley's reaction to the news of Queen Victoria being alive. I'm sure Victoria will have a few choice words for her. Ashley better get Victoria's chair back in it's spot :lol:
     
  4. Jenny

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    Indeed, I'm hoping for a Dramatik Moment when Victoria suddenly appears at the top of the staircase looking viciously radiant, and throwing one and all into complete chaos. :)

    Also, can't recall the exact conversation with WHM, but is it possible that Victoria *thinks* she's under government protection while they rebuild the case? WHM was the guy who sabotaged the plane, so he wanted all the evidence destroyed (along with poor Lydia), no? But what if he's the one that grabbed Victoria at the bottom of the steps - because why would the feds have kept her off that plane? Meanwhile it's another diabolical plot by WHM, who was working for Conrad but apparently is not now? Or does Conrad know she's alive, and is using this time to get a few things done around the house, including nabbing the kids' trust funds??
     
  5. Artemis@BC

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    Yes, I'm just assuming that WHM is simply using Victoria and telling her she's under federal protection. No matter what I might think of certain branches of the US federal government ;), I think there's zero chance that they'd save Victoria but then allow the plane to be blown up with Lydia, the pilot, and who knows how many federal agents on board. Unless the whole explosion was a hoax and a ruse, but I don't think that either.

    But I don't think Conrad -- or Daniel -- know anything about Victoria's continued existance. And, as far as I can recall, WHM never worked "for" Conrad, it was Conrad and his company who were working for WHM and whatever sekret society he represents.
     
  6. Jenny

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    Exactly. The only feasible thing is that Victoria was taking off, the plane went down thanks to WHM, and the feds somehow connected with Victoria and brought her back in - it's a stretch, because if did change her mind and was heading to Switzerland, then the feds would have had to convince her in a hurry to stay on board.

    The more I think about it, the more things point to WHM nabbing Victoria for his own purposes and using the witness protection ruse to keep her on board.

    Well certainly no one would tell dumbass Daniel :lol:

    I read one interview where the producers said this season would bring things back to the central characters in the Hamptons, and away from plot lines involving international intrigue, terrorists etc (which is a good thing IMO - things can get crazy really fast otherwise), so maybe this is still going to come back to Conrad.

    Also, I'll tag this but it's not really a spoiler - just speculation on my part based on some characters appearing/not appearing in the next few eps:
    WHM is not listed in the credits at all this season - although that may not mean anything as IMDB is not always accurate. Takada is not listed, but his sidekick is, and we've already speculated that there's got to be a local tie of some kind there. It looks like we might learn more about Nolan's business, as there's a character listed as a Nolcorp security person in several eps, and a new young man, who could be a colleague involved in the same plot line.
     
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    Oh, Takeda was played by a new actor? I thought this character was Takeda's assistant or something. A bit confusing.

    So, when id Victoria know about WHM planting a bomb on the plane? Did she just let Lydia die? Poor stupid Lydia.
     
  8. RomyNL

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    Revenge is back and how!!!! Life is back to normal :)
     
  9. Jenny

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    My bet is she doesn't know it was him.
     
  10. Artemis@BC

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    ^ I agree, Victoria has no idea who she's dealing with.

    However this plays out, please let Lydia be actually dead. Her character failed to add anything to the story after Emily completed her first revenge against her.
     
  11. Susan1

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    Funny - the first thing that crossed my mind was Emily lifting up the 20 year old sheet on the bed. They should have cracked in her hands. And where was the dust and cobwebs? It looked like someone had just gotten out of the bed.

    Yeah, things are always so convenient to find on shows like this. But I loved the episode. (Also the one the week before reminding everyone of what happened in the first season. Nolan's narration made me laugh out loud. He sounded like he was reading a story to first graders. And then the snarky, clever comments.)
     
  12. *Jen*

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    Unless I'm going mad, it was a male with a wedding ring?
     
  13. Artemis@BC

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    Hmm, I didn't spot that, but could be. Not that that really rules anyone out. Either Jack or Daniel could be married by Labour Day. We don't know anything about Takeda's assistnt yet. Or, like last year, could be someone we haven't met yet ...
     
  14. Jenny

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    Saw a screen cap - there's a ring. At first I thought they might try to trick us into thinking it was a man - there was what appeared to be a suit cuff and a largish hand, and yet bloating could have caused that - but I guess it is in fact a man.

    Could be anyone - Jack could be in line for a shotgun wedding, but there are any number of reasons someone might have a ring on who isn't even married, and of course it could be someone we haven't met yet.

    Apparently the reveal will be in ep 14, so plenty of time for the writers to change their minds, like I'm sure they did last season to keep the spoilers at bay.
     
  15. cruisin

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    Didn't anyone else notice the compass or pocket watch in/near the hand in the water? And then Jack was handling that same item, when he was in bed, on the boat.
     
  16. Jenny

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    Yeah that was pretty clear. Either it's a simple red herring - in an ep where Jack appears to be rather miserable and hanging out on his boat more - or it was simply a little touch for continuity.
     
  17. Artemis@BC

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    I didn't notice that bit. (I'm beginning to think I'm a terribly unobservant person. :shuffle:) But that fact to me says that it's definitely not Jack and a deliberate misdirect. Plus the fact I don't really think they'd kill him off ...
     
  18. Bostonfan

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    Yes, but given that it's Jack's boat, it's logical to assume that those things would be on the boat regardless of who the body belongs to. It's not even really a red herring IMO. If people didn't remember (or didn't watch Season 1), the mere sight of "Amanda" on the boat would not have indicated that it was Jack's boat. So I think the compass and picture were for casual/new viewers.
     
  19. michiruwater

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    I dunno, as soon as I saw the body my first thought was, "Oh, okay, so faux-Amanda finally dies." I mean, she's the only other character that wears flannel regularly and I doubt they're killing Jack, and then she's finally, you know, dead. And gone. And they don't have to deal with her character anymore :shuffle:
     
  20. RomyNL

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    I think it is faux-Amanda dead, she's the only major character who's not on the Season 2 cast promo photo... her and Lydia
     
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    I hope it's her, she's of no use to the plot anymore.
     
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    I'm guessing it is someone we haven't met yet. Aren't some people from Conrad and Victoria's past supposed to show up this season?
     
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    I agree. I was just responding to other's posts that there were no clues. This was a clue, but probably one to mislead.
     
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    This show is just genius. I still laugh when I remember how many of us were wondering how a show like this could possibly last more than 1 season. :lol: I love the fact that it appears Emily is going from the hunter to the hunted. Thank goodness they went ahead and revealed that Victoria was alive. We all knew she wasn't dead so it would have been a waste of time to drag that out.
     
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    Finally got a chance to watch the premier. So happy this show is back!

    There were cobwebs on the wrist restraint... she had to brush them away to see the infinity marking, but there wasnt nearly enough dust on that sheet. should have been like an inch thick!

    As for Lydia and the others on the plane, do we know they're dead? couldnt it be that the feds knew the plane was rigged, so they got everyone off, and they're all hiding separately? Vicky, not knowing WHM (that does mean White Haired Man, right?) was the saboteur, contacted him about staying in touch with the Charlotte.
     
  26. *Jen*

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    I wonder how long this show can go on without someone else working out who Emily really is? I mean, how are they going to explain it if/when she finds her mother?

    Daniel and Ashley have no chemistry and clearly aren't meant to last. I feel bad for Daniel though - he clearly still loves Emily, and she's still got a soft spot for him even though she loves Jack.

    I'd love to see her come clean with Daniel. And with Charlotte. And Victoria, in fact. I'd love to see the shock on Vicky's face!
     
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    I'm hoping the body belongs to Conrad. Or Speedy. :shuffle:
     
  28. Bostonfan

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    I'm curious how the WHM is going to play this. He knows Emily is Amanda because she told him. But she likely told him because she planned on killing him. But then she backed off killing him. So if he isn't planning on telling the Graysons, then just what is he going to do with that info?
     
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    I wondered about that too. Didn't he say something about them being on the same side? She could have killed him and didn't...maybe he feels he owes her one?

    He probably knows about clam cam already :lol:
     
  30. Garden Kitty

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    After a Revenge marathon this weekend, I'm caught up with last season. I'm almost current!