Retrospective: The 1994 Olympics

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  1. Maofan7

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    Retrospective moves on to the 1994 Olympics

    The key facts in relation to these Olympics are:-

    • Alexei Urmanov wins the Olympic title. In doing so, he produced the performance of his life, as he was not the favourite going into the Olympics, having only recently finished 3rd at the European Championships (won by Viktor Petrenko). The favourites were world champion, Kurt Browning, Elvis Stojko (who had just defeated Browning at Nationals), and Viktor Petrenko (the defending Olympic champion who had not only just won Europeans, but also Skate America and the Nations Cup). Browning had a disastrous SP, falling on a 3F and singling out on his 2A. This left him in just 12th place after the SP. However, a 3rd placed finish in the LP, moved him up to the 5th overall. Petrenko also had a very poor SP. In his combination, he stepped out of the 3A and doubled out on his 3T. He also had a double footed landing on an under-rotated 3Z. This left him 9th after the SP, but a 4th placed finish in the FS moved him up to 4th overall. A superb SP by Urmanov (3A+2T, 3Z, 2A) to Rigoletto by Verdi, won him that part of the competition. Hence, he entered the LP in 1st, with Stojko 2nd, and Candeloro 3rd. Although Urmanov stepped out on the landing of a 3F in his FS (and had no quad), he did enough to win the FS segment, and therefore, the Olympic title. Stojko finished 2nd in the LP to take the silver medal, and Candeloro hung on for the Bronze with a 5th placed finish in the FS.

    • Urmanov ultimately became only the second men's skater after Robin Cousins to win the Olympic title without ever becoming world champion (Ilia Kulik would later become the third). He was also the first of 4 consecutive Russian men's Olympic champions.

    • Urmanov produced no quad in either of his programs and it was expected that he would be the last men's skater to win the Olympic title without a quad, when Ilia Kulik (1998), Alexei Yagudin (2002), and Evgeni Plushenko (2006), all produced quads to win their Olympic titles. Nevertheless, in 2010, Evan Lysacek won the Olympic title without a quad.

    • Zhang Min lands the first ever clean quad (a 4T) at the Olympics. He would go on to finish 20th overall.

    • On the 6th January 1994, Nancy Kerrigan was attacked by Shane Stant with an ASP baton which struck Kerrigan on the thigh just above her right knee. It was later discovered that Tonya Harding's ex-husband, Jeff Gillooly, and her bodyguard, Shawn Eckardt, had hired Stant to carry out the attack with a view to preventing Kerrigan from competing at both the forthcoming National Championships, and the Olympics. The incident became known as, "the whack heard round the world." Whilst Kerrigan's right leg/knee was fortunately not broken, fractured, or damaged, apart from bruising, the severe bruising she sustained prevented her from competing at Nationals, which Harding won. Nevertheless, as Kerrigan was able to quickly recover from the attack physically, she was selected for the Olympic team ahead of Michelle Kwan who had finished 2nd at Nationals.

    • As the attack on Kerrigan and its aftermath was partially caught on camera, and on account of Harding's alleged involvement, the incident generated a media frenzy - Tonya/Nancy saga: parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

    • Whilst Harding competed in the Olympics, finishing 8th, she ultimately pleaded guilty "to hindering the investigation of the...attack." She received 3 years probation, had to do 500 hours community service, and had to pay $160,000 in fines and other monies. It was a part of the plea bargain, that she had to withdraw from the 1994 World Championships and resign from the USFSA. Ultimately, she was also stripped of her 1994 U.S. National title and she received a life ban from participating in USFSA-run events as either a coach or a skater. The USFSA concluded, after conducting its own investigation, that Harding had shown: "a clear disregard for fairness, good sportsmanship and ethical behavior," and William Hybl who had chaired the panel stated: "By a preponderance of the evidence, the panel did conclude that she had prior knowledge and was involved prior to the incident."

    • The Olympic ladies competition itself would end up being one of the closest in Olympic figure skating history. The favourites going into the event were Kerrigan and world champion, Oksana Baiul. Kerrigan led after a confident and poised SP, with Baiul a close 2nd (Bonaly 3rd). However, during a practice session, Baiul and Szewczenko collided with one another whilst they were both preparing to do 3Z's. As a result of the collision, Baiul sustained a cut to her right shin which required 3 stitches, and painful back and shoulder injuries which required 2 Olympic-approved pain-killing injections, without which she would not have been able to compete in the FS. In the LP, whilst Baiul and Kerrigan both performed brilliantly, it was Baiul who had the edge with the greater artistry, charisma, and verve. Whilst her back and shoulder injuries, and the pain-killing injections, hindered her in terms of some of her jumps, she had the x-factor which connected with the audience, and ultimately that enabled her to win both the FS and the Olympic title. Kerrigan won the Silver, and a 3rd placed finish in the LP moved Chen Lu up to 3rd overall.

    • A relaxation in the rules allowed some skaters who had turned professional to compete at the 1994 Olympics. This enabled 1988 Olympic champions, Katarina Witt and Brian Boitano to participate. Boitano would finish 6th, whilst Katarina Witt finished 7th. As the sport had moved on technically, Katarina Witt stated that she went into the competition without any realistic hopes of winning, but simply to sample the Olympic experience one last time. Whilst her FS was, from a technical standpoint, well behind those who finished ahead of her, artistically it was one of the highlights of the competition. She skated to "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?", in a moving tribute to the then war-torn city of Sarajevo, the host city of the 1984 Olympics where she had won her first Olympic title.

    • The pairs competition came down to a battle between the returning 2 previous Olympic champions, Gordeeva & Grinkov and Mishkutenok & Dmitriev. Gordeeva & Grinkov were the 1988 Olympic champions and 4 time world champions. They had retired after winning the 1990 world title. Mishkutenok & Dmitriev were the 1992 Olympic champions and 2 time world champions. They had retired after winning the 1992 world title. Both pairs decided to return for the 1993/94 season in order to compete at the 1994 Olympics. Ultimately, Gordeeva & Grinkov won both the SP and the LP to take the Olympic title, with Mishkutenok & Dmitriev finishing 2nd overall. Nevertheless, Mishkutenok & Dmitriev performed their Rachmaninov LP brilliantly, and many believe that they were under-marked. Hence, whilst Gordeeva & Grinkov produced the better performance overall, and deserved their win, the scores should have been closer than they were.

    • Of the previous Olympic champions who had returned to competition after a period out after having turned professional, Gordeeva & Grinkov were the only ones to regain the Olympic title.

    • 1984 Olympic Ice Dance champions, Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean, also returned to compete at these Olympics. However, whilst Witt and Boitano were returning after a 6 year gap, Torvill & Dean were returning after an astonishing 10 year gap, and they were by this time, 36 and 35 years old respectively. Most believed that they stood no chance of winning a medal. However, they were to make an incredible comeback to international competition by winning the 1994 European Championships, beating world champions, Maya Usova & Alexander Zhulin, and world silver medallists, Oksana Grishuk & Evgeni Platov, in the process. Nevertheless, it was Grishuk & Platov who would go on to win the Olympic title, with Usova & Zhulin taking the silver. Torvill & Dean would finish a very creditable 3rd. Grishuk & Platov would go on to dominate ice dancing over the next 4 years, winning 20 consecutive competitions between 1994 and 1998 in the process, including a 2nd Olympic title. In fact, their defeat to Torvill & Dean at the 1994 European Championships, would prove to be the final defeat of their career.

    Here are the videos for the medal winning and other performances:-


    MEN'S

    Gold: Alexei Urmanov (Russia)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Medal Ceremony, Profile

    Silver: Elvis Stojko (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Interview

    Bronze: Philippe Candeloro (France)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition,

    4th: Viktor Petrenko (Ukraine)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    5th: Kurt Browning (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    6th: Brian Boitano (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    7th: Éric Millot (France)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    8th: Scott Davis (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    9th: Steven Cousins (GBR)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    10th: Sébastien Britten (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    11th: Oleg Tataurov (Russia)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    12th: Masakazu Kagiyama (Japan)

    Short Program

    13th: Michael Tyllesen (Denmark)

    Short Program

    14th: Cornel Gheorghe (Romania)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    15th: Igor Pashkevich (Russia)

    Short Program

    16th: Michael Shmerkin (Israel)

    Free Skate

    17th: Jung Sung-II (South Korea)

    Short Program

    18th: Stephen Carr (Australia)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    19th: Marius Negrea (Romania)

    Free Skate

    20th: Zhang Min (China)

    Landing the first quad (a 4T) at the Olympics




    LADIES

    Gold: Oksana Baiul (Ukraine)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Medal Ceremony, Profile

    Silver: Nancy Kerrigan (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Profile, Profile 2

    Bronze: Chen Lu (China)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Profile

    4th: Surya Bonaly (France)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition

    5th: Yuka Sato (Japan)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    6th: Tanja Szewczenko (Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    7th: Katarina Witt (Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    8th: Tonya Harding (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate 1, Free Skate 2

    9th: Josée Chouinard (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Interview

    10th: Anna Rechnio (Poland)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    11th: Krisztina Czakó (Hungary)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    12th: Mila Kajas (Finland)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    13th: Lenka Kulovaná (Czech Republic)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    14th: Marie-Pierre Leray (France)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    15th: Charlene Von Saher (GBR)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    16th: Nathalie Krieg (Switzerland)

    Short Program

    17th: Laetitia Hubert (France)

    Short Program

    18th: Rena Inoue (Japan)

    Short Program

    19th: Elena Liashenko (Ukraine)

    Short Program

    20th: Marta Andrade (Spain)

    Short Program, Free Skate



    PAIRS

    Gold: Ekaterina Gordeeva / Sergei Grinkov (Russia)

    Short Program, Long Program, Exhibition, Medal Ceremony - P1, Medal Ceremony - P2, Profile

    Silver: Natalia Mishkutenok / Artur Dmitriev (Russia)

    Short Program, Long Program, Exhibition, Profile

    Bronze: Isabelle Brasseur / Lloyd Eisler (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program, Exhibition, Profile

    4th: Evgenia Shishkova / Vadim Naumov (Russia)

    Short Program, Long Program

    5th: Jenni Meno / Todd Sand (USA)

    Short Program, Long Program

    6th: Radka Kovaříková / René Novotný (Czech Republic)

    Short Program, Long Program

    7th: Peggy Schwarz / Alexander König (Germany)

    Short Program

    8th: Elena Berezhnaya / Oleg Shliakhov (Latvia)

    Short Program

    9th: Kyoko Ina / Jason Dungjen (USA)

    Short Program, Long Program

    10th: Kristy Sargeant / Kris Wirtz (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program

    11th: Danielle Carr / Stephen Carr (Australia)

    Short Program, Profile

    12th: Jamie Salé / Jason Turner (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program

    13th: Anuschka Gläser / Axel Rauschenbach (Germany)

    Short Program

    14th: Karen Courtland / Todd Reynolds (USA)

    Short Program, Long Program

    15th: Jacqueline Soames / John Jenkins (GBR)

    Short Program,

    16th: Elena Belousovskaya / Igor Malyar (Ukraine)

    Short Program

    WD: Mandy Wötzel / Ingo Steuer (Germany)

    Short Program, Long Program



    ICE DANCE

    Gold: Oksana Grishuk / Evgeni Platov (Russia)

    CD1, CD2, Original Dance, Free Dance, Medal Ceremony, Profile

    Silver: Maya Usova / Alexander Zhulin (Russia)

    CD1, CD2, Original Dance, Free Dance

    Bronze: Jayne Torvill / Christopher Dean (Great Britain)

    CD1, CD2, Original Dance, Free Dance, Exhibition, Profile

    4th: Susanna Rahkamo / Petri Kokko (Finland)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    5th: Sophie Moniotte / Pascal Lavanchy (France)

    CD1, Original Dance, Free Dance

    6th: Anjelika Krylova / Vladimir Fedorov (Russia)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    7th: Irina Romanova / Igor Yaroshenko (Ukraine)

    CD1, Original Dance

    8th: Kateřina Mrázová / Martin Šimeček (Czech Republic)

    Free Dance

    9th: Jennifer Goolsbee / Hendryk Schamberger (Germany)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    10th: Shae-Lynn Bourne / Victor Kraatz (Canada)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    11th: Tatiana Navka / Samuel Gezalian (Belarus)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    12th: Margarita Drobiazko / Povilas Vanagas (Lithuania)

    CD2, Original Dance, Free Dance

    13th: Aliki Stergiadu / Juris Razgulaevs (Uzbekistan)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    14th: Berangere Nau / Luc Moneger (France)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    15th: Elizabeth Punsalan / Jerod Swallow (USA)

    CD2, Original Dance, Free Dance

    16th: Radmilla Chrobokova / Milan Brzy (Czech Republic)

    Original Dance, Free Dance

    17th: Agnieszka Domańska / Marcin Głowacki (Poland)

    Free Dance

    19th: Svetlana Chernikova / Alexander Sosnenko (Ukraine)

    Original Dance

    20th: Enikő Berkes / Szilárd Tóth (Hungary)

    Original Dance


    Note: whilst I refer to 'short programs' re the men's, ladies, and pairs events, they were still known as 'technical programs' back in 1994.
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  2. Maofan7

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  3. Vash01

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    I have mixed emotions about the 94 Olys. I enjoyed them very much, and the quality of skating was really high (particularly in pairs) but I felt bad for skaters that missed the chance to win an Olympic medal due to the return of the pros. There was more than usual (by FS standards) controversy in the OGM results for all 4 disciplines.
  4. gkelly

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    I have a soft spot for this Olympics because it was the second elite event, and only Olympics ever, that I attended in person. So it was kind of my introduction to international competition beyond what got shown on TV.
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  5. Shyjosie

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    Same here. I ask myself who of the comebackers truely profited form their comeback. Until today, I find it difficult to understand Witt, Boitano and Torvill/Dean's return.
  6. Loves_Shizuka

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    Lillehammer was just all kinds of :drama: :soapbox: :yikes: ::skandal :blocjudge :argue: :watch: :slinkaway
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    Lillehammer was by far the most unique and strange Olympic figure skating event in history.

    2 years from the previous Olympics, reinstated pros for the only time ever, Tonya and Nancy, the first Olympics with ex Soviets competing for new countries; and debates over the winners in all 4 disciplines still a full 2 decades later, with a large group of people arguing for all 4 silver medalists, and in some cases (dance, maybe ladies and men) even the bronze medalists too. There will never be another Olympic figure skating competition remotedly like it, for better or worse.
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  8. gkelly

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    Just to nitpick, there was at least one reinstated pro (Dmitriev) at the 1998 Olympics.

    And since then the eligibility rules had changed enough that skaters could leave competition for several years to perform in shows etc., not lose eligibility, and then come back to compete at the Olympics after years away (with varying degrees of tune-up return events in between).

    Stojko and Eldredge 2002, Fusar Poli/Margaglio and Drobiazko/Vanagas 2006, Plushenko 2010 come to mind.
  9. judgejudy27

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    Reinstatement ended in 95. It was only a 3 year window.

    Dmitriev had been back skating eligible programs since fall 1993 and had not competed as a pro since fall 92, so I dont think of him as a "reinstated pro" for the 98 Olympics. He didnt even need to use the 95 last minute reinstatement deadline, he was already back and never returned to any type of pro skating with either Natalia or anyone else after their return for the 93/94 season and his debut with Kazahkova in fall 95.
  10. fenway2

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    Boy, you can say that again. I can't think of another Olympics where all four disciplines were so hotly debated.

    I also disagree that Baiul skated brilliantly or was artistically superior to the other female skaters but that's another story. I also don't think charisma or verve have any place in the scoring system - past or present.

    It was a very well-researched post, though. I can't imagine the amount of time and effort you put into it. Well done. :respec:

    Oh and I always wondered if Witt regretted her comeback. I know she was thrilled to have her parents there at the arena but she was really pissy about not being the center of attention anymore and went so far as to complain to the reporters about it. :lol:
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    I am :confused:

    "Well researched"? I was only expressing my Opinion.

    ....unless you meant your comment to be sarcastic- or may be you are referring to Maofan's OP? She certainly spent a lot of time creating that post.
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    Sorry, Vash01. It was a bad segue on my part. I wasn't being sarcastic. I was truthfully agreeing with you in part 1 of my post, disagreeing with the OP in part 2 and complimenting him/her in part 3. Sloppy execution by me. ;)
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    It was the most exciting Olympics ever and the best part was beautiful and so artistic Oksana Baiul stealing the gold from the boring and wooden Kerrigan and spoilsport Nancy's tantrum after.
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    The dance was a treat. The 2 best dance teams in history- Torvill & Dean and Gritschuk & Platov, and a top 10 team in history who is probably the most underrated and unlucky dance team ever, and the best dance to never win the Olympics, Usova & Zhulin, in a 3 way fight for the gold.

    The pairs was amazing. 2 of the 5 best teams ever, the reigning World Champions, and atleast 5 other teams who would win atleast silver at Worlds or already had.

    The mens was exciting even with Browning and Petrenko making mistakes. The 3 medal winners were all outstanding, and Browning and Petrenko had excellent LP performances.
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    I find it very telling that when someone argues that Oksana should have beaten Nancy, it's never about the actual skating elements. It's about Nancy being a brat or wooden and Oksana being "artistic" or "magical." It's never about what Oksana put out on the ice in terms of content. Probably because there wasn't any. :lol:
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    I loved the opening ceremonies and the whole vibe of these games. It was like a winter paradise. There seems to be a movement to have the Winter Olympics in cities that are not "wintery." I don't like that. They should be in snow covered villages surrounded by mountains.
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    -Oksana's triple lutz was far superior and more powerful. It rivalled Harding's as the best of the night.
    -Oksana's triple loop was also bigger and stronger.
    -Oksana's triple salchow was bigger and superior, but Nancy added a double toe after, so we will call that even.
    -Oksana landed all 5 types of triple jumps. Yes her triple flip was slightly two footed but still gets mostly credit, while Nancy doubled hers and instead did 2 triple toes to reach 5 triples, and missing one of the most important triples.
    -Oksana's camel spins were much nicer, and she did them with unique donut and catchfoot variations.
    -Oksana did not have a true footwork sequence but had some nice little parts of footwork which were better than anything Nancy had. The only footwork Nancy did was a little part where she did bunny hops and didnt even come close to finishing the pattern to be called a sequence either.
    -Oksana did 1 more double axel than Nancy, and the 2nd in combination. The combination was shaky, but Nancy's only double axel she did was also shaky.
    -Nancy's 1 spiral was excellent, but Oksana did more spirals and field moves. Not that many either, but more than Nancy who only included 1 spiral and 1 spread eagle.

    Artistry is a big part of skating so justifying Oksana's win through superior artistry when average Nancy was not exceptional in either technical merit or artistry is justified. However even in technical elements while one could argue Nancy was stroner, there were many elements Oksana did better.

    Take out the triple toe Nancy did after the triple toe, and nobody would be arguing Nancy deserved the gold. People who get irate over her win today would instead laugh at anyone even suggesting Nancy winning. So while a triple toe-triple toe combination is valuable is one triple toe tacked on after enough to go from someone people would think was a joke to be anywhere near winning, to some huge controversy she didnt win. Please.
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    Thanks for posting more than the usual OMG Oksana the Orphan was soooo magical that night. I disagree with your assessments of her jumps though. She did 3 clean triples. That's it. Oksana did not complete the full arsenal unless you want to credit her cheated jumps and I'm on the side of the judges who didn't credit them and placed her third. Her 3 Lutz was huge but looked two-footed. Nancy's 3 Lutz was no slouch either and given that it was placed at the end of her program while Oksana did hers first, and in fact did all her triples in decreasing difficulty, it evens out at best, but I'd still give the edge to Nancy. I'll give you the loop. So Oksana did one better triple than Nancy but two less in all. And please, Oksana did not have two double axels. The final one was cheated, gasp! two-footed as usual. In fact, she didn't even have any clean jump combinations while Nancy had two, including the 3-3. It wasn't even close technically and the fact that Oksana won because of high technical marks is why her win is so controversial. They revamped the judging system after her win for crying out loud.
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    Lutz - Oksana's was higher; Nancy's was at the 3:00 mark. Both had an outside edge w/ Oksana's beginning to roll inward - DRAW
    Flip - Oksana's wa 2-footed and perhaps UR; Nancy did a very high clean double - DRAW
    Loop - Oksana's was higher; Nancy had a BO Spiral entry - DRAW
    Sal- Oksana's was OK; Nancy did hers in combo w/ a 2toe - NANCY
    Toe - Oksana's doubled/scratched around and did one w/ a slight 2-foot; Nancy did a 3-3 - NANCY by a mile
    Axel -Oksana did two (even if a 2toe was sloppily tacked on); Nancy did one - OKSANA

    Each did 3 sets of spins - NANCY had changes of position, centering and revs over Oksana on all 3 - NANCY on all 3

    Spiral - NANCY by a mile; Oksana's was practically non-existent

    FW - no comment

    SS- Oksana had speed; Nancy had posture, stroking and more controlled landings and an overall cleaner skate - NANCY
    CH- Both were quite mediocre; Oksana communicated her program better but Nancy had slightly more intricacy - DRAW
    IN- OKSANA easily; she could sell a brown paper bag
    TR- Need a microscope to see Oksana's; NANCY by a mile
    PE- Oksana had 2-foots and scratched around to rearrange her program; Nancy's was cleanly delivered, only mistake being a clean double - NANCY

    Triples - Nancy: 5 w/ 3 combo - Oksana: 3 w/ 0 combo
    Spins - Nancy was superior on all 3 sets of spins
    Spiral - Nancy

    2nd mark - Nancy was clearly superior to Oksana on Performance/Execution, Transitions and perhaps Skating Skills

    I don't get how anyone can justify Oksana's win. Just don't.
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    :rolleyes: Hertmirsh, your argument built on pretending a triple-triple did not happen is the stupidest thing I have ever read on a figure skating board unless you do not think figure skating is an athletic sport, in which case neither deserved to even be at the Olympics. So which is your argument, stupid or a declaration that figure skating is not an athletic sport?
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    Kerrigan's skate was highly complete but unimpressive (and definitely not memorable as time goes by).

    Baiul's skate was entertaining but lacking in many areas, both technically and choreographically.

    Chen and Sato should have placed top 2 in the free.

    And the so-called controversy about the men's result was only created by the NA media. It was a freaking 8-1 split between them. Petrenko, Browning and Candeloro also stole ordinals from these two but Urmanov was way ahead with 6 1st ordinals while the other 3 went to Stojko, Petrenko and Candeloro, one each. Stojko also had some lower ordinals but was going to win silver anyway because he was ahead of Petrenko and Browning by too much after the short.

    I personally would have given the free to Petrenko, 2nd and 3rd to Browning and Urmanov in some order. But Urmanov was the undoubted winner in my mind.
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  23. Loves_Shizuka

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    Yes, I also had Lu Chen winning the LP. And Sato 2nd.
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    Thanks for the retrospective, Maofan7. I've watched 6 Olympics now as a figure skating fan, and Lillehammer remains my favorite by far. The beautiful Nordic setting, the hospitality and friendliness of the Norwegian athletes/fans, and brilliant skating by some of the greatest legends of the sport all combined for a near-perfect Olympic experience.

    The highlight for me was the return of Gordeeva/Grinkov. Such incredible, breathtaking skating. I'll never forget their performances in Lillehammer. And ice dance was memorable that year, if not lacking in controversy. Much as I dislike Gritschuk as a person, I still remember the excitement of her & Platov's free dance. It was almost like a foretaste of the changes to come later with IJS. And the Nancy vs. Oksana battle was pretty interesting too. Oksana was like a force of nature, Nancy was the classic American ladies champion, and there were a lot of other great ladies in the event, too. Katarina Witt was not competitive technically, but both her programs were artistically satisfying and very well performed. The only discipline that didn't excite me much was men's. Too many mistakes from the stars (and sentimental favorites): Browning, Petrenko, and Boitano.
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    Whether or not Boitano was any kind of betting favorite, I dont think he was any kind of sentimental favorite, except for his devoted fans (though he has many of those). His fellow American teammates seemed to openly resent his comeback, the press was not exactly supportive, and the judges were lukewarm (he lost both his pre Olympic events, one of them his own Nationals). It sure contrasted to the global wave of hefty support the comebacks of people like G&G, T&D, and even the now uncompetitive Witt (although I loved her comeback and her Lillehammer performances) received.
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    Wasn't Boitano the one who spearheaded the reinstatement by whining about it for years, even going so far as to say he didn't get a chance to enjoy the Olympic experience to his satisfaction in 1988? Boo hoo. He always came off as so self-absorbed. I am not surprised if his American teammates weren't warm to him.
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    He the one who created the reinstatement as he was the only one pushing for it. The others who came back and did well have him to thank, but this also might largely be why he was the least supported and rooted of the reinstated pros, as it was he who pushed for and got the reinstatement. So those who were upset with it (and many were) would cast the blame on him, not on Gordeeva & Grinkov, Torvill & Dean, Witt, Petrenko, and others who simply took advantage of what Boitano alone pushed the ISU for and eventually got.

    It was ironic that given that of all the reinstated pros he was the one who probably had the worst and most unsatisfying comeback. Witt, Susie Wynn, Roca Sur, are reinstated pros who had worse results, but nobody expected anything of those by that point. Of the ones who had big expectations- G&G, T&D, Boitano, Petrenko, and M&D, Boitano's comeback results were by a long ways the worst. Petrenko atleast won Europeans, Skate America (over Boitano), and came 4th at the Games with a gold medal winning LP had he not botched the short program. Boitano couldnt win any competitions in his comeback, not even his own Nationals, and even his LP in Lillehammer was only 6th placed.
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    And Scott Davis truly did deserve to beat him at nationals. What a performance. Oh what might have been for his career...
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    The "medals" were also made of stone.
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    I'm glad someone said this.

    Yes, I enjoyed Boitano's 1988 Oly win. But he seemed to never stop talking about it, in great detail. Then, when he came back in '94, he was even more obnoxious. I think he fully expected to win the Olympics. Nothing wrong with that, but he was not a particularly gracious loser at Nationals or at the Olys.
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    I do agree with that totally. His attitude in his comeback was very arrogant and obnoxious and despite that as a pro competitor and in his former amateur career I had liked him, I found myself rooting against him, and happy to see his comeback go somewhat mediocre in the end. Unlike Browning and Petrenko who I genuinely felt bad for at the Games (especialy Browning, Petrenko atleast had his 92 gold).

    Ironically even though I am a big fan of Orser, I found his attitude towards Boitano from 86-88 to be quite similar. Somewhat condescending and dismissive of Boitano, and not even giving his fellow competitor the respect he deserved. Brian B. after Calgary and his dominant pro career had become the MAN though, and seemed to take over that attitude, but to a far greater extreme. I guess that comes with success at times.

    I wonder if Todd didnt come down ill at Nationals if Brian would have missed the Olympic team completely despite skating quite well at Nationals. That would have been a major kick in his ego had that happened, wow.
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    Mmm ... I just thought Boitano was trying hard to sound sophisticated in order to play the role of an Olympian, not to be obnoxious. However, I could tell he was not speaking naturally. He did not sound like a guy from Sunnyvale. Later on, he sounded a lot more like a normal Northern Californian.

    We must remember that during Boitano's era, which was an all amateur, neither prize nor endorsement money affair, winning an OGM still had a sort of upper crust prestige.
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    Oh he never shuts up about his 88 win. Every interview he gives he manages to turn it back to his Olympic win. The final turnoff for me was when Christopher Bowman died and rather than simply commenting on Bowman's talent, or whatever, he talked more about how Bowman was the person who told him he won in 1988. Really? You can't let it go for one moment? I can't imagine the shit someone like Tara would have taken if (God forbid) Nicole Bobek had died from drug abuse, and when contacted about her death and asked to say a few words, she talked more about Nicole being the first to hug her when she won her first national title - or even at the Olympics. I truly think Boitano got away with his obnoxious behavior unscathed because he's a man and they're allowed to be more arrogant and self-absorbed.

    And when I saw Boitano in some ice show a few years after Lillehammer, his bio was oddly missing the 1994 Olympics. :lol:
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    I do wonder how Scott Davis would have done at the 93 Worlds, 94 Olympics, and 94 Worlds with his 93 and 94 U.S Nationals performances. I would guess atleast a bronze at each.
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    Viktor Petrenko also was reinstated under this rule. He had participated in Pro events in the 92-93 season.


    True, he did not turn pro again after 94 and reinstate again, but he still was once a pro who had reinstated, so he was still a reinstated skater (just not newly reinstated). I also think the difference between "reinstated pro" and "skater taking year(s) away from eligible competition to tour and do shows, then competing again" is a hairsplitting one. The only difference is whether the skater did pro competitions, which don't exist anymore anyway.

    Maybe that's because you are trying to substitute your understanding of today's PCS for for the judging system that actually existed in 1994. The presentation mark was a lot more all encompassing than today's PCS (and in any event transitions and skating skills are judging technical content/difficulty/skills, not so much presentation). One of the things the presentation mark did was capture the totality of the performance, including "it factor". Baiul skated with the whole body and her whole heart, and even in the US, the general response of your average American viewer was that Baiul was the special skater that night. I think this response from the supervising judge pretty well summed it up:

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/27/s...udges-judge-says-baiul-deserves-the-gold.html
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    Except it really was Kerrigan who used her whole body when skating. Baiul only used her whole body when dancing. I also fail to see any intricate footwork that the referee said Baiul had. In fact, I fail to see any footwork from Baiul at all. Kerrigan had a rather simplistic circular step sequence that preceded a 3sal2toe, as well as back spiral into 3loop and spread eagle into 2axel. Baiul stalked all her jumps and as high as they were, they weren't landed with nearly as much control as Kerrigan's were. Baiul's so called dynamic spins were a donut spin of around 3 revs, a flying camel into catchfoot of around 8 revs (her only good spin), a mushed up upright spin of about 3 revs and a deathdrop of about 3 revs. 3 of Kerrigan's 4 spins were over 10 revs and one was a change foot spin.

    I get that Baiul was a much more natural performer and artist, but IMO that shouldn't trump her lacking elements.
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    While I agree Kerrigan probably should have beaten Baiul for the 94 Olympic Gold (although I dont see it as the blatantly wrong decision some people do, and believe there have been many far worse decisions in skating history than that one, and greatly dislike the negative publicity Baiul got for that win); and agree there is a possible case for Chen and Sato to place higher than they did, atleast in the LP phase. I also think though too many of you are trying to use COP standards the programs and how they were marked, under both the technical and presentation marking for that matter. This is a flawed method as judges were not scoring under COP back then, and the general guidelines and values under 6.0 were radically different from COP.
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    It is important to remember that Oksana and Kerrigan did tie, but the tiebreaker went to Oksana, which is not blatantly wrong unless one thinks those strange qualities of the 6.0 system, like the possibility of ordinal flipping through the variations in the judges rankings or one skater "helping" another by being wedged inbetween, was just as much part of the game as skating well.