Retrospective: The 1990 World Championships

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  1. Maofan7

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    Retrospective moves onto the 1990 World Championships

    The Key facts in relation to these championships were:-

    • Kurt Browning retains the world title he won for the first time the previous season. Petrenko actually won the short program (known as the 'original program' back then), with Browning 2nd. This left Petrenko in 1st place overall entering the free program, with Browning back in 2nd. However, a good long program (which contained some errors) from Browning meant that he won both the free skate and the title. He was scheduled to do a 4T in his FS, but went for a 3T+2T combination instead. Other highlights from the program included a 3A+2R combination. Bowman was in 5th place overall after the short program, but a good free skate moved him up to 3rd to take the bronze.

    • Jill Trenary wins the world title. Midori Ito was the reigning world champion going into the championships, but effectively lost her title during the compulsories, in which she finished 10th. Despite Ito winning the short and free program segments, it was not quite enough, and she finished 2nd overall. Nevertheless, Trenary almost clutched defeat from the jaws of victory with a very poor short program (she finished 5th in that segment), but unlike during the previous world championships, she held her nerve during the long program (finishing 2nd in that segment) to take the world title. Trenary missed most of the 1990/91 season due to a serious ankle injury, and therefore missed the 1991 world championships. Unfortunately, the injury took a long time to mend and prevented her from regaining her previous form in time for 1992 nationals, where she needed to be competitive to qualify for the 1992 Olympics. This, in combination with the elimination of compulsory figures (which were key to her winning the 1990 World Championships), led her to make the decision to retire in December 1991.

    • The 1989/90 season was the last season in which compulsory figures featured
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    • Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov win their 4th world title. Gordeeva had been having problems with her jumps throughout the season due to body changes (they had been 3rd entering the free skate at Europeans due to a poor SP, but a better LP enabled them to take the European title), and although their Romeo & Juliet (Tchaikovsky) LP was not clean, they did enough to retain their world title. It was their last competition before retiring for the first time. They would make a successful comeback during the 1993/94 season, in which they would win a 2nd Olympic title and a 5th world title.

    • Natalia Mishkutenok & Artur Dmitriev take part at worlds for the first time, winning the bronze medal. Following Gordeeva & Grinkov's retirement, they would go on to win the world title for the next 2 seasons and win the Olympic title at the 1992 Olympics.

    • Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko retain the world title which they had won for the first time the previous season. Their My Fair Lady FD was quite simply brilliant. They had a large lead going into the FD, but they finished 2nd to the Duchesnay's in the FD phase of the competition (the Duchesnay's were given five 6.0's for their FD). Nevertheless, their lead going into that segment was enough to enable them to win overall.

    Here are the videos for the medal winning performances:-

    MEN'S

    Gold: Kurt Browning (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition 1, Exhibition 2, Interview

    Silver: Viktor Petrenko (USSR)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Interview

    Bronze: Christopher Bowman (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Profile, Interview

    4th: Grzegorz Filipowski (Poland)

    Free Skate, Exhibition

    5th: Todd Eldredge (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition

    6th: Petr Barna (Czechoslovakia)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    7th: Richard Zander (West Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    8th: Viacheslav Zagorodniuk (USSR)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    9th: Elvis Stojko (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    10th: Paul Wylie (USA)

    Free Skate

    11th: Michael Slipchuk (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    12th: Cameron Medhurst (Australia)

    Free Skate

    13th: Oliver Höner (Switzerland)

    Free Skate

    14th: Philippe Candeloro (France)

    Free Skate

    15th: Jung Sung-Il (South Korea)

    Free Skate

    16th: Alessandro Riccitelli (Italy)

    Free Skate

    17th: András Száraz (Hungary)

    Free Skate

    18th: Steven Cousins (Great Britain)

    Free Skate

    19th: Ralph Burghart (Austria)

    Free Skate

    20th: Oula Jääskeläinen (Finland)

    Free Skate



    LADIES

    Gold: Jill Trenary (USA)

    Compulsory Figures, Short Program, Free Skate, Profile, Preview

    Silver: Midori Ito (Japan)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition, Profile

    Bronze: Holly Cook (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate, Exhibition

    4th: Kristi Yamaguchi (USA)

    Free Skate, Exhibition, Profile

    5th: Natalia Lebedeva (USSR)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    6th: Lisa Sargeant (Canada)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    7th: Patricia Neske (West Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    8th: Evelyn Grossmann (East Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    9th: Surya Bonaly (France)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    10th: Marina Kielmann (West Germany)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    11th: Tamara Téglássy (Hungary)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    13th: Beatrice Gelmini (Italy)

    Short Program

    14th: Yuka Sato (Japan)

    Free Skate

    15th: Tanja Krienke (East Germany)

    Free Skate

    16th: Sabine Contini (Italy)

    Free Skate

    18th: Zeljka Cizmesija (Yugoslavia)

    Short Program

    19th: Helene Persson (Sweden)

    Free Skate

    20th: Anisette Torp-Lind (Denmark)

    Free Skate



    PAIRS

    Gold: Ekaterina Gordeeva & Sergei Grinkov (USSR)

    Short Program, Long Program, Exhibition, Medal Ceremony, Profile

    Silver: Isabelle Brasseur & Lloyd Eisler (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program, Interview

    Bronze: Natalia Mishkutenok & Artur Dmitriev (USSR)

    Short Program, Long Program, Exhibition

    4th: Larisa Selezneva & Oleg Makarov (USSR)

    Short Program, Long Program

    5th: Kristi Yamaguchi & Rudy Galindo (USA)

    Short Program, Long Program

    6th: Christine Hough & Doug Ladret (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program

    7th: Mandy Wötzel & Axel Rauschenbach (East Germany)

    Long Program

    8th: Radka Kovaříková & René Novotný (Czechoslovakia)

    Short Program, Long Program

    9th: Cindy Landry & Lyndon Johnston (Canada)

    Short Program, Long Program

    10th: Peggy Schwarz & Alexander König (East Germany)

    Short Program, Long Program

    11th: Natasha Kuchiki & Todd Sand (USA)

    Short Program, Free Skate

    12th: Anuschka Gläser & Stefan Pfrengle (West Germany)

    Short Program

    13th: Sharon Carz & Doug Williams (USA)

    Short Program, Long Program

    15th: Catherine Barker & Michael Aldred (Great Britain)

    Short Program



    ICE DANCE

    Gold: Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko (USSR)

    OSP, Free Dance, Medal Ceremony

    Silver: Isabelle Duchesnay & Paul Duchesnay (France)

    OSP, Free Dance

    Bronze: Maya Usova & Alexander Zhulin (USSR)

    OSP, Free Dance, Exhibition

    4th: Susan Wynne & Joseph Druar (USA)

    Free Dance

    5th: Oksana Grishuk & Evgeni Platov (USSR)

    Free Dance

    6th: Susanna Rahkamo & Petri Kokko (Finland)

    Free Dance

    7th: Jo Anne Borlase & Martin Smith (Canada)

    OSP, Free Dance

    9th: Michelle McDonald & Mark Mitchell (Canada)

    OSP, Free Dance

    10th: Stefania Calegari & Pasquale Camerlengo (Italy)

    Free Dance

    11th: Ivana Strondalova & Milan Brzy (Czechoslovakia)

    Free Dance

    12th: Isabelle Sarech & Xavier Debernis (France)

    Free Dance

    14th: Anna Croci & Luca Mantovani (Italy)

    Free Dance

    16th: Regina Woodward & Csaba Szentpéteri (Hungary)

    Free Dance

    17th: Lynn Burton & Andrew Place (Great Britain)

    OSP, Free Dance

    19th: Kaoru Takino & Kenji Takino (Japan)

    Free Dance
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  2. DORISPULASKI

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    This brings back memories of singing Oh canada with a group of Canadians when Kurt won, and the Canadians singing the Star Spangled Banner with us when Kurt won.

    Jill's SP was had a strange combo of music cuts, My Old Kentucky Home & the theme they played for the Olympics?

    Something we didn't know at the event shows up in the video, the famous firing of Chris Bowman by Frank; that rechoreographed LP was the last straw. Chris went to Toller Cranston the following year, and it wasn't good for either of them.

    Re the FD: No one who was at that event really was going to remember My Fair Lady; the stunning performance was without doubt, the Duchesnay's Missing I. In fact, for audience impact, Wynne & Druar's tap dance was a more entertaining musical theater piece. Usova & Zhulin had a similar problem; Rahkamo & Kokko's was a much more dangerous and memorable Street Apache tangoy sort of dance.

    I think this was the event that pushed K&P to rethink what they were skating to. Their 1991 & 1992 programs were not just technically excellent, they were beautiful & memorable in every way. My Fair Lady IMO was totally forgettable, and at the time, felt distinctly old fashioned, and not in a retro good way.

    Re the OSP, the Duchesnays was not very good at all; Klimova's was much better. And the Duchesnay's CD's were always rather lacking, so the right couple won, but I would hardly call the K&P FD routine stunning, just very well done.
  3. Dave of the North

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    Toller Cranston did an (in)famous commentary before the event where he slagged Kurt for being under-trained, not skating well, wasn't going to win etc. Hyperbole as only Toller :drama: can do hyperbole.

    At that time men could do two TA's in the short, and Kurt's second jump was supposed to be a TA, but he only did a double. But then he did a TA at the very end of the program, which was pretty amazing then (would still be amazing now).:kickass:

    Maritime Tel&Tel, the phone company, to promote the event put a picture of a skating pair on the cover of the phone book. There was a controversy because some people thought the lady's skirt was too short, so they revamped the cover to have a longer skirt on the lady. :lol:
  4. skatesindreams

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    At the time, I remember thinking/feeling that "My Fair Lady" was unworthy of their ability.
    The years haven't changed that.
  5. manhn

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    My Fair Lady is K&P's masterpiece, IMO.
  6. robinhood

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    I loved My Fair Lady too. I think after their Bach program and their Latin medley (85, 86?) it's my favorite free dance of theirs. Missing was a masterpiece. But because of the music, and the artistic impact. The actual skating content was nowhere near the other russian couples

    It was probably Midori's best performance of all time. She was such a trooper, a pioneer in all the senses and the best Sheherezade of all time, imho.

    Pairs and men were not as exciting for me, although both shorts program of Viktor and Kurt were definite highlights.
    One of the best world championships for sure, and the canadian audience was great

    In context, I dunno if the removal of figures was beneficial for the skaters. It led to many top flight skaters with very questionable skating skills and/or jumping technique over the course of the years
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  7. Vash01

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    The pairs result was controversial. G&G won, despite a couple of mistakes- one of them a major one. M&D should probably have won, but artistically they had not yet come into their own, and the LP music did not suit them. B&E had a good skate too. G&G's superior skating skills and perfect pair elements may have convinced the judges to place them higher than the other two pairs that skated clean. However, there was a strong disagreement about the results and G&G turned pro after these wolds.

    Todd Eldredge, as an 18 year old had a very good competition, with a 3A3t combination which was the hardest jump combination those days.

    K&P skated a wonderful FD to My Fair Lady but the commentators were luke warm toward them while praising Dushenays' 'Missing' FD. Actually 'Missing' is one of my favorite FDs because of its emotional appeal, but it's not fair to completely downplay the technical perfection of K&P.

    The performance that impressed me the most was Midori's LP skate.
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    It would be great if more men today could achieve the quality of 3A of men from that era.
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  9. Maofan7

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    The final ever world championships with compulsory figures certainly had a sting in the tail for Midori and the school figures were certainly her nemesis, effectively costing her any real chance of successfully defending her title. She almost fell part way through one of the figures and Sports Illustrated stated that: "Ito's tracings resembled the Santa Fe railroad." Hence, the reason why she only finished 10th in that phase of the competition.
  10. judgejudy27

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    Ito was probably held up to even be 10th in figures but thank goodness she was as her winning any less than silver at those Championships with her historic free skates would have caused an even bigger uproar. That event definitely proved why figures had to go, and couldnt stay around as even a small part of the scoring at World competition anymore. It was just too big an audience sport. I do wish they would still have them required more often for testing purposes and perhaps at competitions of the Nationals level or below or something, although not in World or Olympic competition anymore. There are still some drawbacks to the current sport from not having skaters grown up training figures IMO.
  11. judgejudy27

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    The Duchenays hit their peak in 1990 IMO. Each of their programs from 88 onwards grew in creative and artistic brilliance and their 1990 FD was their ultimate high. I actually was fine with them winning the FD portion of those Worlds over the technically superior Klimova & Ponomarenko, although K&P definitely deserved their overall win. The Duchensays went downhill after that IMO, and their 91 and 92 programs (both OD and FD) did not live up to their 88-90 artistic standards and in fact were mostly generic, while still being behind the Russians technically to boot, and IMO they rode their reputation built up from previous years to their undeserved 91 and 92 level of success. K&P meanwhile used the loss in the FD at the 1990 Worlds as a catalyst and led to their innovative 91 routines, and their Masterpieces of 92.
  12. Vash01

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    K&P did not lose 1990 worlds. They won with their My Fair Lady FD. They lost the 91 world title due to Marina's failed drug test (but she passed the second drug test) and the time lost due to it, plus whatever mental anguish they must have endured at that time, but that was in 1991.

    I don't totally agree that the Dushenays went downhill after 1990. They were still very good artistically in 1991, but they skated the same FD (Missing) and won with it. It was in 1992 that they compromised their creativity and selected more traditional music (Sound of music for OD and West side story for FD) and lost their only advantage (creativity) over K&P. OTOH K&P -as you correctly said- became more innovative and artistic, and their routines became even more challenging technically. In 1990 they were perfect technically, but more traditional artistically.
  13. pollyanna

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    I actually quite liked their original Free Dance in 1991, the one performed at Europeans called Reflections (despite the fall on the ending move after the music ended). For whatever reason, perhaps as Robin Cousins says, the judges found it too avant garde, and they scrapped it and threw together Missing II. I agree with you that Missing II was inferior - too bad they won their one World title with a rip-off program.
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  14. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Judgejudy27 meant that K&P lost the FD portion to the Duschenays in 1990 while still winning the title overall. That part is true.

    Pollyanna,

    I think the issue with Reflection wasn't only the judge's feedback, but the lukewarm (for them) audience reception to Reflection. The Duschenays knew that the only chance they had to beat the technically superior Russian teams was to have extreme audience support behind them like they did in 1990 when Missing was undeniable.

    I really liked Reflections a lot and it was an excellent concept. However, it was more subdued than what the audiences were used to most likely after their Savage Rites FD of 1988 and their Eleanor Rigby FD in 1990, and they didn't seem as enthusiastic. It made sense for them to go back to a proven routine in which the audience and judges supported, albeit a re-choreographed version with a few of the new moves from Reflections thrown in.

    I always thought their World title in 1991 was sort of a make-up in order to reward them for 1990. Once K&P opened the door after the CD, the judges seemed to take advantage and placed them in third after a clean OD. I know U&Z's Summertime OD was a brilliant showcase of the Blues and the Duschenay's Blues was popular and angsty, but I still don't get why K&P were underscored in the OD as I thought their Blues was both difficult and an excellent interpretation. Maybe it was Klimova's Madonna costume they marked down.

    Also, was Bowman's LP really THAT improvised or different choreographically from what was planned?
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  15. DORISPULASKI

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    I believe the the second last jump became a combination and he threw in the final 3t entirely. I don't know whether anything else was just thrown in.

    But I will say that for the SP Frank gave Chris the most gawdawful SP to Indian Love Cal or some such music with every stereotypical kid's cowboys & Indians move in the bookl; if that was an example of Frank's choreo, it might be a good thing if Chris changed it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf_NkIRbyJ0

    Apparently Frank had skated to this music when he was an amateur.
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    Was Frank in the Village People?
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    That whole routine is just so inappropriate on different levels that I can't help but just laugh at it now. It should be included in the Hooker on Smack thread.
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    It was method acting if hooker on smack was the theme.
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    Did Chris Bowman ever land a clean 3x?
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    The most memorable skate for me, at 90 Worlds was a rarely mentioned skate by fourth place finisher.
    After OP, uninformed Midori fans like me, were certain Midori will win, since there was NO way Jill could beat Kristi in free skate.
    Kristi was strong toe jumper as well as being outstanding artistic free skater.

    Imagine my surprise and dismay when Kristi fell on TWO toe jumps (one of them was a toe loop!:mad:), and then even had a near fall exiting a spin. :yikes:

    This performance exemplify what I have since called "Low beam" skating. IMHO, Kristi could not skate up to her immense potential since that would have meant a fellow USA team member losing the Championship. A skater performing below her skill level is the essence of "Low beam" skating. Kristi shows how to do it gracefully in her free skate, IMHO. :scream:

    The next year, as I joined full standing ovation for Kristi's "Samson and Delilah" at Munich, I could not help muttering "Where the heck were you last year!"
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  21. shsocu

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    I highly doubt she skated poorly so Trenary would win. She was also competing in pairs at that event. She must have been exhausted by the time the ladies free skate was held.
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  22. judgejudy27

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    Kristi in 1990 was not an outstanding artistic free skater at all. Her artistry was very undeveloped at that point. She also wasnt a consistent jumper yet. I was not at all surprised Jill managed to place 2nd in the LP at those Worlds, although I wish Kristi had of course.
  23. Maximillian

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    Jill had just beaten Kristi in the FS at Nationals so it wasn't that big a shocker.
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    Actually Kristi WAS a consistent jumper, except at the 1990 worlds. The jumps were her strength and they made her competitive. You are right that her artistry was not yet developed. Even in the LP, where she started with two mistakes, she landed TWO clean triple lutzes. Very few ladies those days landed even one triple lutz (not counting Midori, of course). Her technical marks were still 5.7, which meant the judges really respected her technical ability.

    At the 1990 worlds she struggled due to fatigue. She was competing in pairs and singles. Not only that, she was traveling between Edmonton (she trained in singles there), San Jose where Rudy & her parents lived, and Southern Cal (their pairs coach lived there). It was too much, and the two falls in the LP at the 1990 worlds sent her a message- pick one.

    About Jill beating her at nationals- it was Jill's best skate ever, and artistically she was much more developed than Kristi. Still, had Kristi skated clean at worlds, who knows what the results would have been?
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    Midori would have defended her title and not be known as the greatest ladies' skater to win only 1 world title.
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  26. Seerek

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    Wonder if Kristi Yamaguchi would have still dropped pairs if she had ended up with Worlds bronze in singles in 1990
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    I think she would have. Her coach, Christy Ness was moving to Canada. I think that was a much bigger influence on her choice than and results.

    My favorite part of 1990 worlds was/is Holly Cook winning bronze. Her reaction was one of the best ever. I should have thought of it when the thread on reactions was going.
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    I like that Holly Cook got rewarded for her figures.
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    I don't think they went downhill either. But maybe that's because I didn't follow skating (aside from the Olympics) until 1991-92 season and then when I tried to catch up on what I missed the first thing I got a tape of was the 1991 Worlds free dances. I loved the Duchesnays' programs from both those years, and I would still say that I prefer the 1991 Missing II over the original Missing program from 1990. (It wasn't the same program -- the music cuts were different and so was the choreography.)

    I realize that for those watching in real time, the impact was stronger when the concept was new to competitive free dance.

    I think there was a clear point of view behind the West Side Story free dance that was neither generic skating to rhythm nor just reiterating Robbins's stage choreography -- i.e., I think it's one of the better choreographed programs to WSS on ice that I have seen.

    I also liked their blues OD -- though not as much as Usova/Zhulin's -- and I liked the polka OD as much as I liked any of the other polkas that year. I thought it was more creative than other traditionalist polkas and more successful than the more experimental attempts.

    Opinions can vary -- I just wanted to put mine out there.

    All three of the 1990-92 medalists will always be some of my favorite dance teams of all time.

    I liked the concept, but I was disappointed by the execution when I finally got a chance to see it on video. Lots of crossovers pulling each other around, very boring choreography for much of the program. And that music requires a lot of subtle nuance to make it work, which was not the Duchesnays' strong point.
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  30. zotza

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    I think Duchesnay's peak, choreography wise was 1990,especially when they had the crowd at Europeans in Leningrad cheering for them more than for their own skaters.That was a catalyst and it wasn't coincidental that they won the FD twice that season.But it started with Eleanor Rigby and the Parisian crowd cheering uncontrollably.At that point one could only guess that next season they'd surpass U/Z for sure for silver at least.

    Were they better skaters?No, in any way.But this was a different ice dancing era.Choreography,avant-garde concepts,the whole impact of Bolero and how it changed ice dancing were still very strong.If you were a good technician,fast,competent but generic the audience wouldn't cheer,and the audience back then used to cheer as if they were in a rock concert.

    For me,1990 still remains my favourite ice dance year as far as programs are concerned.Maybe because it was the first time I sat and actually watched dance whereas in 1989 I just saw the top three and that was it.So call it nostalgia...

    I think that after Missing I,and I still consider it a superior program to its sequel,for back then it was daring,extremely exciting and even though I don't like the Duchesnay's I'd still consider it one of my favourite FDs,they tried to stretch the boundaries even more with Reflections.It wasn't a bad program,but it wasn't well received at Euros,and I think them and Dean thought they couldn't win them Worlds.

    On the other hand K/P FD that season was my favourite of them,but even at Euros before the doping story it wasn't refined as K/P usually were.It was more them being in panick and trying to do what they though people wanted.Whereas in 1992 they found the perfect balance.
    But what I loved most back in 1990 was U/Z Piazolla FD.It was undermarked,they were caught in the Missing frenzy and were surpassed but it was probably their most stylish and technical program and G/P debut with Zorba the Greek which was really impressive and got me remembering their names from day one.
    Now, watching these programs again after 23 years I can finally understand that K/P and D/D could go either way and that G/P were really really dangerous even back then but I can clearly understand that the Duchesnay's fell in the category I consider " we are good,not brilliant,so let's find something exciting for the fans".
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  31. Maofan7

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    She retired after finishing 6th at 1991 U.S. Nationals. Qualifying for major championships was always going to be tough at this juncture. Although Jill Trenary was injured at that stage, she had not yet retired (that would come in December 1991). And then there was the emergence of Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan, Tonia Kwiatkowski, and Nicole Bobek, as well as the continued progress of Kristi Yamaguchi.

    This was the result from 1991 U.S. Nationals:-

    1. Tonya Harding
    2. Kristi Yamaguchi
    3. Nancy Kerrigan
    4. Tonia Kwiatkowski
    5. Tisha Walker
    6. Holly Cook
    7. Kyoko Ina
    8. Nicole Bobek
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    That was one of the rare instances where a skater in her first worlds actually got rewarded with a high placement in figures (same with Lisa Sargeant, who placed 7th in figures). Everyone else who placed high in the figures segment were already in their 4th or 5th Worlds appearance.
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    Holly Cook is one of the most down home, what you see is what you get people I have ever encountered. I regret that skating has not as much room for people with her sort of personality today. Well it does, but they seem to be encouraged to not showcase their ordinariness or folksy eccentricity-- either off or on the ice.
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    Who is this Tisha Walker, and what became of her?
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    Accordingly to this article, she now coaches in California (Simi Valley). Same article states that Holly Cook "is married with one child. She lives in Utah where she also works as a coach" (at the South Davis Recreation Center in Bountiful, Utah). She is now known as Holly Cook-Tanner

    Here also is a 1989 article on Tisha Walker and here is Tisha Walker's Free Skate from 1991 U.S. Nationals. She finished 6th at U.S. Nationals in 1992 and 8th in 1993, before retiring
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    Whoa, she looks and skates a lot like Anita Madsen. Maybe they had the same coach early on in their careers? Interesting...
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    Shishkova and Naumov beg to differ.

    I would have loved it if G&G had competed at '94 Worlds. I think they just should have gone and enjoyed it. The pressure was off, they already got Olympic gold for the second time! But I imagine they wanted to stop training and be with their daughter.
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    Ha! Wonder what I was thinking. Oh, the fogs of time

    Thanks for correcting
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    I was delighted to see the back of compulsory figures. I thought they should have been phased out a very long time beforehand. Thanks to compulsories, many of the most talented skaters in history ended up winning far less than they deserved - Janet Lynn, Toller Cranston, Denise Biellmann, etc

    Here is a video featuring the very last school figures ever skated!

    Additional Videos

    Ladies Medal Cermony

    Men's Medal Ceremony

    Profile - Lisa Sargeant

    Free Dance - Final Group
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  40. Maximillian

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    This complaint never ceases to frustrate me. Being skilled in compulsory figures was just as valid a skill as being skilled at freeskating, that's why it was included in the competition (not as some people seem to suggest to frustrate and prohibit talented freeskaters from winning world titles), and why it used to count for 60% of the score. The skill-set required for success at school figures was a different one than that which was required in being a successful freeskater; however, just because those skills aren't as appealing to a mass audience should not diminish the achievements and the aptitude of those who managed to skate figures well. Figures skating as a competitive sport predates television by a half a century and what was valued in terms of the sport through that half century was different than what it became. The sport is now very much a product of television and all the financial concerns and interests which accompany that relationship , but that doesn't mean the sport is a better sport now just because it appeals to a mass audience. Just because figures were not appealing to a television audience is not a reason to dismiss their validity or the merit of those who skated them well.