Retrospective: The 1984 World Championships

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  1. Maofan7

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    Retrospective moves on to the 1984 World Championships:-

    The key facts in relation to these championships are:-

    • Scott Hamilton and Torvill & Dean both finish their amateur competitive careers with gold medals. Having both just won Olympic golds at the 1984 Olympics, it is the 4th consecutive world title for each of them.
    • Katarina Witt wins her first world title, having just won the Olympics title at the 1984 Olympics.
    • Midori Ito makes her debut at worlds, finishing 7th. Had it not been for the compulsories in which she finished 16th, she would have finished 4th based on the SP and FS. Nevertheless, personally I think she was undermarked and would have deserved a medal had there been no compulsories.
    • Elaine Zayak wins the bronze and then turned professional after these championships. Nevertheless, 10 years later, she attempted to qualify for the 1994 Olympics. However, sadly, she only finished 4th at nationals and failed in her attempt to qualify. Nevertheless, Torvill & Dean, who also turned professional after these championships, were more successful in their 1994 Olympic comeback. They won the bronze at the 1994 Olympics and were extremely unlucky not to win the Gold in what was a very controversial outcome. Indeed, they had beaten both of the couples ahead them just a few weeks beforehand at the 1994 European Championships.
    • Underhill & Martini pull off an incredible turnaround to win Gold after a very disappointing 1984 Olympics in which they had finished only 7th. Moreover, Blumberg & Seibert gained revenge on Klimova & Ponomarenko, who had beaten them for the Bronze medal at the 1984 Olympics, by beating them to the Bronze medal at these championships.

    Here are the videos for the medalists:-

    MENS

    Gold: Scott Hamilton (USA)

    Free Skate

    Silver: Brian Orser (CAN)

    Free Skate

    Bronze: Alexander Fadeyev (USSR)

    Free Skate

    LADIES

    Gold: Katarina Witt (GDR)

    Free Skate

    Silver: Anna Kondrashova (USSR)

    No video available. If any one knows of a link to a copy, please post it

    Bronze: Elaine Zayak (USA)

    Free Skate

    4th: Kira Ivanova (USSR)

    Free Skate

    5th: Kay Thomson (CAN)

    Free Skate

    7th: Midori Ito (JPN)

    Short Program

    Free Skate

    8th: Elizabeth Manley (CAN)

    Free Skate

    PAIRS

    Gold: Barbara Underhill & Paul Martini (CAN)

    Long Program

    Silver: Elena Valova & Oleg Vasiliev (USSR)

    Long Program

    Bronze: Sabine BaeƟ & Tassilo Thierbach (GDR)

    No video available. If any one knows of a link to a copy, please post it.

    ICE DANCE

    Gold: Jayne Torvill & Christopher Dean (GBR)

    Free Dance

    Original Set Pattern

    Exhibition

    Silver: Natalia Bestemianova & Andrei Bukin (USSR)

    Free Dance

    Bronze: Judy Blumberg & Michael Seibert (USA)

    Free Dance

    Exhibition

    4th: Marina Klimova & Sergei Ponomarenko (USSR)

    Free Dance

    5th: Karen Barber & Nicky Slater (GBR)

    Free Dance
     
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  2. olympic

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    The highlights for me were -

    Elaine Zayak pulling all the way up to the bronze medal. Great way to end her amateur career. Did she have the highest TM marks? I know Witt and Zayak both had a string of 5.7 - 5.8

    U/M beating V/V for the gold in pairs was also quite emotional.
     
  3. Yazmeen

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    In 1994, Elaine Zayak did not "sadly fail" to make an Olympic team. She came back on her own for her own joy of skating, brought the crowd to their feet for both her short and long programs at Nationals, and was thrilled with how things turned out. She did it on her own terms and was quite happy with her results. If I may borrow this quote from a poster at Golden Skate: "She told the press that she did not want to take a spot on the Olympic team away from anyone - she just wanted to skate her best."
     
  4. judgejudy27

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    Very true. Realistically she never had a hope of making the 94 team anyway, it was all about a personal journey back for her, and it was beautiful one.

    Torvill & Dean's European title was all from a flukish ordinal flip as the judges really had them placed 3rd (5-4 behind Usova & Zhulin originally) in the FD and 3rd overall, but Gritschuk & Platov's set of ordinals in the FD of 7 1sts and two 3rds from the right two judges changed the FD placing between U&Z and T&D which ultimately bumped T&D from 1st to 3rd overall and U&Z from 1st to 3rd overall. I agree T&D's bronze in Lillehammer was controversial, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the premise of the European results.

    Olympic, I believe Witt marginallly won the technical scores in the LP of the 84 Worlds.
     
  5. A.H.Black

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    I'm always thought that one of the most amazing things that happened during the 1984 World Championships was John Tesh (the U.S. commentator that year) didn't say a word during Torvill and Dean's Free Dance. I'm sure it must have been the only time he ever remained silent. It was wonderful.
     
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  6. essence_of_soy

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    Either that, or the tele-prompter experienced a technical glitch.
     
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    I thought you were surely exaggerating, so I YouTubed it. He was silent from when T/D took the ice, through the performance, through the standing ovation, to when they were off the ice and the PA announcer began speaking. I think this makes them eligible for beautification.

    :shuffle: I was also dumb struck and got chills. That was like watching a pairs routine in terms of surprising intricacies and difficulties.
     
  8. Maofan7

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    I wasn't aware of that.

    Well done to Elaine, and I hope she got everything she wanted to out of the experience.
     
  9. ponta1

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    After all the posts on the Asian female skaters thread, I really enjoyed watching the young Midori Ito! I think she had the "it" factor even at that young age.
     
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    What I find astonishing (and sad) is that the tv coverage in Canada was so limited to Canadians and top finishers that I never even heard of a phenomenal skater like Midori until the 88 Olympics.
     
  11. DORISPULASKI

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    Or Tesh was still struggling with pronouncing "John Mischa Petkevich" and "Ottawa" in his mind ;)

    However, no one was talking during their OSP either! Wonderful!

    I have never seen or heard as long and loud a sustained applause as for Torvill & Dean in 1984. Never :swoon:

    Seriously, it was amazing to be at those championships.

    Another interesting thing:

    It was the last amateur appearance of Gary Beacom; his worlds program is not on youtube, but his Canadian Nationals version is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCTd2QFo1k

    And it was the first ever world medal for Alexander Fadeev (bronze), who edged out Josef Sabovcik, the Olympics bronze medallist.

    Brian Boitano was 6th.

    Selezna & Makarov, the parents of Ksenia Makarova, were 4th.

    Jill Watson had a very bad fall from a platter lift and had to withdraw. It was her last performance with partner Burt Lancon.

    LeeAnn Miller & Bill Fauver finished last - LeeAnn has done a lot of choreo for people since then.

    And it should be mentioned that Wilson & Mccall who won the bronze at the 1988 Olympics finished 6th in dance.

    Brian Orser's silver medal performance was brilliant.
     
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  12. olympic

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    ^For some reason, I remember BB was 8th? He was less stellar than he was at the Olympics.

    I think Scott was marginally better than at Sarajevo. IIRC, Brian Orser still beat him in the LP, but Scott won the SP? I'm just going by memory.

    Sabine Baess/Tassilo Thierbach also ended a long career with a medal - a bronze behind U/M and V/V.

    Blumberg/Seibert were less than stellar but still got a bronze medal in Ice Dance. I'm sure it was to make up for the Sarajevo debacle.

    I also remember being impressed with Watson/Lancon. Too bad he wanted to retire. I would've loved this pairing more than Watson/Oppegard. They had more vibrancy.
     
  13. floskate

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    Watson/Lancon had the mother of all meltdowns in the SP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoOEfbycnTo :(

    He injured his back on the fall and couldn't lift her so after finishing last in the SP - the disruptions caused them to miss out the lift - they withdrew.
     
  14. floskate

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    I have the CTV footage of 84 Worlds and they showed Midori's LP. Their coverage was always way better and more extensive than the US or British coverage.
     
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    Here's the Canadian coverage floskate mentioned:

    Midori Ito 1984 Worlds LP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd6tfcjt8G4
     
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  18. briancoogaert

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    Manuela Ruben is a mystery for me ! She doesn't seem to have a very good skating, nor good jumps, nor posture...but she had a good career. lol
    Was she good at Figures ?
     
  19. essence_of_soy

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    I'm looking at results from her Wikipedia page, and her rankings really improved from 1982 onwards. In 1984, she was third at the World Championships in compulsories, so Brian is right in guessing she was a figures specialist.

    Along with Claudia Leistner, Marina Kiellmann Patricia Neske and Karin Riediger, West German ladies were a great force in the 1980s and early 1990s.

    It also helped that having multiple triple jumps put you ahead of a lot of other athletes with better overall skating skills.

    Apparently, her free skate from 1984 was a direct rip off, both in layout and music, of Linda Fratianne's 1980 Olympic program to Carmen.
     
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    Also of note - 2 time world medallist Norbert Schramm withdrew before the competition began - it was his last competition.
     
  21. judgejudy27

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    What good career? Coming 7th or 8th a couple of times in World events, LOL! Her only real achievement was coming 2nd at Europeans once. That year Voderezova and Leistner missed Europeans, and I am guessing the erratic Kondrashova and Ivanova probably bombed worse than usual to come below Rueben.

    When she landed her jumps they were pretty good for the time, she has landed 3 or 4 triples per some programs and it was only a few years before that hardly anyone was landing more than 2, and her figures were pretty good too.
     
  22. pollyanna

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    Except Linda didn't include any "waxels" in her program. ;)
     
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    The Carlo Fassi (Ruben's coach by 1984) vs. Frank Carroll (Fratianne's coach) debates continue....
     
  24. briancoogaert

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    Considering her overall qualities, I'm surprised she managed to finish that high in the rankings. Maybe I didn't say it well, but IMO, 2nd at Europeans and 6th at Worlds are good achievements.
    Anyway, I asked this because I watched french coverage of 1983 Euros, and commentators were talking about Manuela Ruben, as if she was a favorite to win over Witt or Leistner...I was surprised. ;)
     
  25. judgejudy27

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    It is not like their were alot of good skaters in the ladies event around then. Just look at Ivanovas bronze performance in Sarajevo, and the silver and bronze performances at the 82 and 83 Worlds. If the highest you could manage was 6th or 7th back then that only shows you probably pretty much sucked anyway, and that the judges concurred with that. 77-85 has to go down as the most dire time period for womens skating ever. Thankfully the pairs and dance were amazing back then.
     
  26. essence_of_soy

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    Ouch.

    What about:

    Denise Biellmann
    Barbie Smith
    Lisa Marie Allen
    Elaine Zayak
    Tiffany Chin
    Midori Ito
    Elizabeth Manley
    Cynthia Coull
    Debbie Cotrill
    Katarina Witt
    Rosalynn Sumners
    Vicki DeVris
    Kay Thomson
     
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    Who was Barbie Smith? I assume a top American or Canadian skater? I never heard of her ...
     
  28. floskate

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    She was 4th at Worlds in 1977. At the 1976 Nationals she made what is thought to be skating history by becoming the first American woman to land two different triple jumps in one program. She skated before Fratianne who also landed two. However many people say that Melissa Militano landed triple toe, sal and loop in her LP at the 1972 Nationals.

    Anyway here's Barbie's Worlds LP from 1977
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WC6oy_2vyA&feature=watch_response_rev

    Lovely skater :)
     
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    I also notice you didnt even mention Poetzsch, Fratianne, and Lurz but just for the record zzzzzzzzzz. The almost entirely non medal winning free skating of Watanabe, Biellmann, and a young Voderezova from 78-81, and the SP and LPs of Witt, Chin, and Zayak in Sarajevo were the only memorable things about that whole time period. Marie Allens 78 Worlds LP and Zayaks 82 Worlds LP I guess as well.
     
  30. floskate

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    What about Carrie Rugh and Sandy Lenz, or even Wendy Burge? Just because they didn't win anything doesn't mean they weren't great skaters. :rolleyes: Honestly Judgejudy you're so dismissive of everyone and everything in skating that I wonder why you even watch the sport! :lol:
     
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