Retrospective: The 1968 Olympics

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  1. Maofan7

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    That I didn't know. Many thanks - here is the link.

    By rights, Tim Wood SHOULD BE THE 1968 OLYMPIC MEN'S CHAMPION - and in my mind, was the real winner. Its a real shame what happened. Moreover, what happened has become even more upsetting and galling in recent times given the nature of the simply dreadful postscript to this event, as set out in the attached articles - articles which speak for themselves:-

    BBC Article

    Article - The Sun

    What I find striking when I read about Tim Wood is that those who mention that they actually know him, always make a point of stating what a really nice person he is. Hence, not only was he the real winner in my mind, but he would have made a very worthy official one. Peggy Fleming used her Olympic victory as a platform for becoming one of the sports great ambassadors. Just think what Tim Wood would have been able to do had he been the official Olympic champion - probably as much as Dick Button.
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    Despite Flemming's program being mistake-filled, I still think it's quite beautiful to watch. Watching her move and spin and glide is worth gold.
  3. Maofan7

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    I've now been through the autobiography. Its been very difficult to translate from German into English, so apologies for any errors. Here are the key extracts as to why she retired:-

    Hope I translated it correctly. Again, apologies for any errors.

    There are quite a number of new videos on YouTube of the 1968 Olympics. Hence, I have redone the videos section from the first post as follows:-

    LADIES

    Gold: Peggy Fleming - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Free Skate - 3rd Version

    Free Skate - 4th Version

    Silver: Gabriele Seyfert - East Germany

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Bronze: Hana Maskova - Czechoslovakia

    Free Skate (Complete)

    Free Skate - 2nd Version - short clip at beginning of video

    4th: Albertina Noyes - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    5th: Beatrix Schuba - Austria

    Free Skate

    6th: Zsuzsa Almassy - Hungary

    Free Skate

    9th: Janet Lynn - USA

    Free Skate

    MENS

    Gold: Wolfgang Schwarz - Austria

    Free Skate

    Silver: Tim Wood - USA

    Free Skate

    Bronze: Patrick Péra - France

    Still no video available

    4th: Emmerich Danzer - Austria

    Free Skate

    5th: Gary Visconti - USA

    Free Skate

    6th: John Misha Petkevich - USA

    Free Skate

    9th: Sergei Chetverukhin - USSR

    Free Skate

    PAIRS

    Gold: Ludmila Protopopov & Oleg Protopopov - USSR

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Silver: Tatyana Zhuk & Aleksandr Gorelik - USSR

    Free Skate

    Bronze: Margot Glockshuber & Wolfgang Danne - West Germany

    Free Skate

    4th: Heidemarie Steiner & Heinz-Ulrich Walther - East Germany

    Free Skate

    5th: Tamara Moskvina & Alexei Mishin - USSR

    Free Skate

    6th: Cynthia Kauffman & Ronald Kauffman - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version
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  4. skatesindreams

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    Thanks for your translations; and other additions to this thread.
    I suspect that few of us can appreciate the pressure(s) placed on Seyfert by the East German "machine" at the time; aside from the expectations of her mother!

    I wish that someone had Pera's performances to share/add.
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  5. Judge Dred

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    Janet Lynn's international debut. Wonderful. Had not yet even competed at a world champs previously.
  6. suki

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    Maofan,

    You are my hero (or heroine):respec:

    Where did you obtain all these videos? And of such high quality? I became interested in skating because of the 1968 Olympics. I haven't seen some of these in 44 years. A million thanks!!!!!! And a perfect row of 6.0s for you!!!!!
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  7. skatesindreams

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    suki, you might be interested in fsvids.net.
    Someone else made these clips available on YouTube.
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    This is fascinating stuff. Before my time. My mother and aunts were really into figure skating, big fans of Peggy Fleming and loved watching skating and skiing on TV.

    They followed all the 1968 Olympic coverage and even made a scrapbook of clippings of Tina Noyes, Peggy, all the US skaters. I wish I still had it.

    Because of the TV coverage of these Olympic games, my cousins, brothers and I were all, as soon as we could walk by ourselves, laced up in skates and put on the ice.
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    I wish you did, too.
    I watched all that US TV broadcast at the time.
    However, I didn't save articles. My 14 year old self didn't know how valuable they would be.
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    Thank you for the link, skateindreams. I am proud to say that I still have my Peggy Fleming scrapbook, which covers both her amateur and professional career. It's a piece of my childhood, just like my teddy bear (which I still have, no laughter, please).
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    Great thread, thanks to all who fished up these vintage clips. :)

    My favorite lady of the 1968 era is Hana Maskova :glamor:. There is a bit of other-worldliness to her skating. :swoon: :inavoid:

    I guess for a modern comparison, (IMO) if Fleming and Seyfert were kind of like Kwan vs Slutskaya of their day, then Maskova might be a combo of Sara Meier+Carolina Kostner along with some of the musicality and inner torment of (dare I say) Nicole Bobek?
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  12. Maofan7

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    Hopefully, someone will upload a copy soon. Moreover, i hope more footage will surface soon of the 1972 and 1976 Olympics. In the meantime, a big thank you to FSU's Floskate who uploaded the following footage from the 1972 Olympics, which features Janet Lynn, Karen Magnussen, and Trixie Schuba:

    Part 1, Part 2
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  13. Judge Dred

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    A very good comparison and Hana died far too young. Before my time, but her tragic death must have come as a tremendous shock to the figure skating community.
  14. Maofan7

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    A video of Patrick Pera's bronze medal winning performance from the 1968 Olympics, unfortunately, has still yet to surface. If anybody does happen to have a copy, please could you upload it to YouTube. It is now literally the only missing video re the medal winning performances from the 1968 Olympics.

    Here is a photograph I came across from Pera's free Skate at the 1968 Olympics, and here is a photograph from the medal ceremony.

    Just in case anybody missed the update I posted back in mid-May with the complete set of videos (minus Pera) re the mens, ladies, and pairs competitions, they are contained in post 43 above.
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  15. Maofan7

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    This may or may not be a clip from Patrick Pera's free program at the 1968 Olympics (16 seconds in to the video). Not certain, but possibly? Pera finished 7th in the free skate, but his 3rd place in the compulsories was enough to enable him to win the bronze (and keep Danzer, who won the free skate and who was the favourite for the title going into the competition, out of the medals).
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  16. Susan M

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    Unlike today, judges did not give part credit for less than successful jumps in the 6.0 era. A jump with a step out or two-footed was basically disregarded, except for any possible negative effect on the presentation mark. (Or was it artistry then?) So, you need to go back and measure it's jump content counting only the ones with a controlled, one foot landing.

    Still, I think we can already see the musicality and artistry that set Lynn apart from the pack in her skating.

    I remember watching the 68 Olympics and Peggy F really did captivate the US TV audience. No one at home noticed or cared when she singled a planned double, we just saw that she stayed on her feet and was pretty and graceful. I also quite liked Seyfert (and felt kind of sorry for her having such a ferocious mother for a coach) but to me she was clearly not the performer Fleming was.

    The performance that really sealed it for me was actually Fleming's 68 exhibition skate. She was wearing a longish, white flowing skirt and I can still picture an outside to inside spread eagle she did that has forever defined the elegant and exquisite side of skating for me.

    My other recollection from that Olympics was the Protopopovs. They were far and away the class of the field.
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    Maofan, I think it is!
    I remember that he wore a turtleneck sweater, unusual for competitors at the time.

    I would really love to find a complete clip of that. (There's a snippet of it in the 1997 Carlo Fassi Tribute)
    She skated to "Ave Maria" in memory of her father.
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  18. Maofan7

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    Thanks for confirming. That tells me that there must be footage of the complete program out there in some archive somewhere.

    Here are some more videos from the 1968 Olympics:-

    Jan Hoffmann (East Germany) - Free Skate (Complete) (26th in the Men's competition)

    Sergei Volkov (USSR) - Free Skate (Complete) (18th in the Men's Competition)

    Elena Shcheglova (USSR) - Free Skate (Complete) (12th in the Ladies Competition)

    Galina Grzhibovskaya (USSR) - Free Skate (Complete) (16th in the Ladies Competition)

    Hoffmann was only 12 years old at the time of the 68 Olympics. He is the youngest male skater ever to compete at an Olympics (a record that is unlikely ever to be beaten, given that the current age restrictions are likely to remain in place). Hoffmann went on to win the world title twice (1974 and 1980) and win the Silver medal at the 1980 Olympics.
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    He was so adorable before muller got her claws in him!
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    He also was one of the 5 judges on the 94 Olympic ladies judging panel to give his ordinal to Baiul. As a skater who lost the gold medal to the more artistic Cousins, I have admired him ever since for giving his mark to the more artistic skater Baiul.
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    Does anyone have an idea how Wolfgang Schwarz got such high marks for free skating at the 68 Olympics. I thought his skating was horrible compared to the other leading men like Wood, Danzer, Petkevitch, and others, and without a triple toe he had less jump content than Trixi Schuba.
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    I just realized that Patrick Pera and Philippe Candeloro have something in common - 2 back-to-back bronze medals for France in 2 consecutive Olympic games.
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    OOPS!

    Sorry - it's Google listed as the 1968 podium.
    I guess you can't always trust them!
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    It's not you're fault, it's googles :lol: Probably as both competitions were held in France, that's were their confusion occurred.
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    Thank you! It's straight-up Star Trek meets Lost in Space, both of which didn't come out until 66 and 67, so I was confused on why FS, which is always like 5 years behind the times, was so ahead of the style. :lol:
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    Schwarz did a triple as well as double Axel, so his jump content is roughly comparable to that of the other men's and superior to Schuba's. While I, too, prefer Wood's free skating, his triple was not as clean, and I'm guessing (?) judges were influenced by that. Petkevich had two disruptive falls, which likely hurt his score. As noted earlier, the scoring back then was such that even winning the free skate didn't lift Danzer to the medals. It was the only time Schwarz defeated Danzer, and Schwarz retired immediately, so it's likely he knew he had gotten lucky.
  29. Maofan7

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    Many thanks - great article. Its always been my view that Tim Wood was the real winner of the 1968 Olympics. Have added your post to this 1968 Olympic restrospective.

    Originally, when this thread was started, only the videos for the Ladies event were available. Accordingly, it covered only that competition. Later, when the videos for the mens and pairs events became available as well, it was extended to cover the entire Olympic figure skating event.

    Here are the videos again from post 43 above and elsewhere in the thread:-

    LADIES

    Gold: Peggy Fleming - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Free Skate - 3rd Version

    Free Skate - 4th Version

    Silver: Gabriele Seyfert - East Germany

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Bronze: Hana Maskova - Czechoslovakia

    Free Skate (Complete)

    Free Skate - 2nd Version - short clip at beginning of video

    4th: Albertina Noyes - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    5th: Beatrix Schuba - Austria

    Free Skate

    6th: Zsuzsa Almassy - Hungary

    Free Skate

    9th: Janet Lynn - USA

    Free Skate

    12th: Elena Shcheglova - USSR

    Free Skate

    16th: Galina Grzhibovskaya - USSR

    Free Skate

    MENS

    Gold: Wolfgang Schwarz - Austria

    Free Skate

    Silver: Tim Wood - USA

    Free Skate

    Bronze: Patrick Péra - France

    Still no video available apart from this very short clip (16 seconds in to the video)

    4th: Emmerich Danzer - Austria

    Free Skate

    5th: Gary Visconti - USA

    Free Skate

    6th: John Misha Petkevich - USA

    Free Skate

    9th: Sergei Chetverukhin - USSR

    Free Skate

    18th: Sergei Volkov - USSR

    Free Skate

    26th: Jan Hoffmann - East Germany

    Free Skate

    PAIRS

    Gold: Ludmila Protopopov & Oleg Protopopov - USSR

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version

    Silver: Tatyana Zhuk & Aleksandr Gorelik - USSR

    Free Skate

    Bronze: Margot Glockshuber & Wolfgang Danne - West Germany

    Free Skate

    4th: Heidemarie Steiner & Heinz-Ulrich Walther - East Germany

    Free Skate

    5th: Tamara Moskvina & Alexei Mishin - USSR

    Free Skate

    6th: Cynthia Kauffman & Ronald Kauffman - USA

    Free Skate

    Free Skate - 2nd Version
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  30. KimGOAT

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    Tim Wood should have won those Olympics. :( He was such an elegant skater with more technical difficulty and artistry than the wooden Wolfgang Schwartz. Horrible judging.
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    Tim would have won, if the judge who wanted to change the incorrect score he gave to Tim, had been allowed to do so.
    The requested correction was denied,
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    That is awful to hear. Why wasnt the judge allowed to change his score. Why wasnt he atleast awarded a 2nd gold like that synchro swimmer, I think Babb Sprague was her name, was after a judges error kept her from winning when the calculation later showed she would have.
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