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Retrospective: The 1948 Olympics

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Maofan7, Feb 23, 2014.

  1. Maofan7

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    Alena Vrzáňová (later known as 'Aja Zanova' after she turned professional) finished 5th at the 1948 Olympics (skating for Czechoslovakia). She would go on to win the 1949 and 1950 World Championships, before retiring and defecting to the UK at the end of the 1949/50 season (later moving to the United States). Here is some footage from her career and here is an article about her

    In this interview, Vrzáňová talks about her skating career, her defection, and her life. The interview was for Radio Prague and here is the audio version.
     
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  3. Maofan7

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    Many thanks. One of the skaters featured in that video is Valda Osborn. She went on to win the European title in 1953, and won the bronze medal at the World Championships the same year. She also finished 11th at the 1952 Olympics. This video features her winning the 1953 European title, and you will note who else is featured as well - Jennifer & John Nicks! They also won the European title that year, before going on to win the 1953 world title, whereupon they retired - as did Valda Osborn
     
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  5. Maofan7

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    Great footage! Thank you. Also featured in the video are:-

    • Jacqueline du Bief of France (9th at 1949 Worlds), who went on to win the 1952 World title. She finished 16th at the 1948 Olympics and went on to win the bronze medal at the 1952 Olympics. Here is a 1957 interview with her

    • Yvonne Sherman of the USA, who was runner up at the 1949 World Championships. She finished 6th at the 1948 Olympics

    • Andrea Kékesy / Ede Király, who won the Pairs event at the 1949 World Championships. They won the silver medal at the 1948 Olympics
     
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  6. Maofan7

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    As well as landing the first ever 2A and the first triple jump (a loop), Dick Button is also credited with inventing the flying camel spin. It was originally known as the 'Button camel'
     
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    More amazing footage! Thank you

    Also featured in the video are:-

    • The second male skater is Edi Rada of Austria (3rd at 1949 Worlds, 3rd at the 1948 Olympics)

    • The third male skater is some very rare footage of Carlo Fassi. He finished 8th at 1949 Worlds, his first appearance at a World Championships. He finished 15th at the 1948 Olympics, and would go on to win a bronze medal at the 1953 World Championships. He would also win the European title twice (1953 & 1954)

    • The second female skater is Yvonne Sherman of the USA, who was runner up at the 1949 World Championships. She finished 6th at the 1948 Olympics

    • The third female skater is Jeannette Altwegg who won the bronze medal at the 1949 World Championships, her first medal at a World Championships.

    Sadly, Yvonne Sherman passed away back in 2005. This was her New York Times obituary, and here is the annoucement that U.S. Figure Skating made at the time of her passing. As the U.S. Figure Skating announcement points out:-

     
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  10. jeffclair

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    Barbara Ann Scott was so dominant. She won pretty much every event she was in. I wonder how many world and olympic titles she might have without the war.
     
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    That's a good question. I wonder is she would have battled it out with Cecelia Colledge.
     
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    Cecilia would probably have won every world and olympic title from 1940 until 1944 then retired, and Barbara Ann would have won silver in 44, then gold at every worlds and olympics until 1948 then retired. Megan Taylor would add the 1940 olympic silver and 1944 olympic bronze to her 2 world titles.
     
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  13. Maofan7

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    Sonja Henie retired at the end of the 1935/36 season. However, there was still a Henie competing at the 1948 Olympics - Marit Henie. She was a cousin of Sonja Henie, and she finished 22nd.
     
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    I thought it was interesting that Dick Button started skating at age 12, an age at which many of the women of that era competed at their first Olympics or Worlds.
     
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    I saw Aja Zanova skate live in about 1962 when she would have been about 30. It was in the Ice Capades at Washington Coliseum. I remember it vividly because it was the first time I ever saw skating and Ice Capades had those huge production numbers. Others on the bill were Tommy Litz, Ann-Margreth Frei, and the Jelineks.
     
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    The Men's Panel

    JUDGES
    Position Nation Name
    1 GBR Mr. BEAUMONT, Kenneth M.
    2 SUI Mr. FINSTERWALD, Emile
    3 USA Mr. FOX, M. Bernard
    4 TCH Mr. KOUDELKA, Vladimír
    5 AUT Mr. LABIN, Ernst
    6 BEL Mr. NICAISE, Marcel
    7 CAN Mr. ROGERS, Melville F.
    8 DEN Mr. SØRENSEN, Sven P.
    9 HUN Mr. TERTÁK, Elemér
    Sub ITA Mr. BONFIGLIO, Bruno

    JURY
    Position Nation Name
    Referee SUI Mr. MÜGELI, Henri
    Assist.Referee SUI Mr. KIRCHHOFER, Eugen

    The Ladies Panel

    JUDGES
    Position Nation Name
    1 ITA Mr. CATTANEO, Ercole
    2 USA Mr. STORKE, Harold G.
    3 SUI Mr. KIRCHHOFER, Eugen
    4 GBR Mr. MARTINEAU, Hubert M.
    5 CAN Mr. ROGERS, Melville F.
    6 AUT Mr. ROSDOL, Adolf
    7 FRA Mr. TORCHON, Georges
    8 HUN Mr. VADAS, Marcell
    9 TCH Mr. ZEMEK, Karel
    Sub NOR Mr. CHRISTENSEN, Christen

    JURY
    Position Nation Name
    Referee HOL Mr. WITT, Gustavus F.C.
    Assist.Referee SUI Mr. BIEDERMANN, Jakob

    The Pairs' Panel

    JURY

    Position Nation Name
    Referee HOL Mr. WITT, Gustavus F.C.
    Assist.Referee SUI Mr. KOCH, James

    JUDGES
    Position Nation Name
    1 NOR Mr. CHRISTENSEN, Christen
    2 USA Mr. FOX, M. Bernard
    3 AUT Mr. KALER, Rudolf
    4 SUI Mr. KIRCHHOFER, Eugen
    5 TCH Mr. KOUDELKA, Vladimír
    6 GBR Miss PHILLIPS, Mollie
    7 CAN Mr. ROGERS, Melville F.
    8 HUN Mr. TERTÁK, Elemér
    9 FRA Mr. TORCHON, Georges
    10 ITA Mr. VERDI, Mario
     
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  19. skatesindreams

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  20. ToFarAwayTimes

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    If not for the war though, other skaters in other countries (such as Eva Pawlik) wouldn't have had their training interrupted and would have conceivably been better.

    The politics of the sport (and the judging) would have been completely different too.
     
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  21. skatesindreams

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    Eva Pawlik didn't even have proper skates to compete with after the war.
    She "made do" with what she had.
     
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  22. bardtoob

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    Per Wikipedia:

     
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    I will remind all, for context, that World War II was destructive to the careers of Cecelia Colledge, Meg Taylor, and Eva Pawlik.

    Barbara Ann Scott was a great champion who introduced the 2Lz to ladies competition, and she can't be held responsible for poor presentation of the 2nd place skater because that skater came from a destroyed European economy. If you want to argue that presentation should not be part of the scoring, go a head, but don't blame Barbara Ann Scott for having a nice costume and skates, which effect the scoring to this day.

    :shuffle: this just reminds me how bad silver medalists used to be treated.
     
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  24. ToFarAwayTimes

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    Yep, she was a great champion and can't be held responsible for what happened to the other, less fortunate skaters. I was simply addressing the hypothetical that Barbara Ann Scott would have won more Worlds and Olympics if not for WWII. She might have, but then again the other top skaters would have been in a better position to beat her.
     
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  25. bardtoob

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    @ToFarAwayTimes

    To let you know, I was not thinking of any individual post when I said that.
     
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    :eek: Mr. Bainbridge!! He was my coach in learn to skate classes in the early 90s! I'm so sad the video appears to be no longer there, it would have been really cool to see.
     
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