Rank the World Championship-winning ladies FPs from 2000-2009

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  1. shady82

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    How would you rank the ladies' winning free program performances at the world championships in this (past) decade?

    2000: Michelle Kwan, Miraculous Mandarin
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXacr9-HAg4

    2001: Michelle Kwan, Song of the Black Swan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37fJ8wTUAA4

    2002: Irina Slutskaya, Carmen
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y118zXrE9IQ&feature=related

    2003: Michelle Kwan, Aranjuez
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfluAux0Sf0

    2004: Shizuka Arakawa, Turandot
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xzGdVragbo

    2005: Irina Slutskaya, Queen of Spades
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvBSI97Vuw8

    2006: Kimmie Meissner, Queen of Sheba
    Unfortunately, I couldn't find a link =[

    2007: Miki Ando, Mendelssohn Concerto
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ngijAUxLMU

    2008: Mao Asada, Fantasie-Impromptu
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiUPdwYJjAc

    2009: Yu-na Kim, Scheherezade
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-xwx-Z3ijc

    My rankings:
    1. 2004 Arakawa: This performance was ground-breaking! She set new technical standards with a 3lz-3toe-2loop and 3flip-3toe in the same program, and had created a superior artistic impact with Turandot. Her best performance ever!
    2. 2003 Kwan: Her Worlds performance was a joy, considering how much pressure and pain she suffered the year before. I only placed it second, in my opinion behind Arakawa's, because her technical content wasn't nearly as high.
    3. 2005 Slutskaya: A very inspiring performance after her struggles with sickness (and with her mother's), and a 3lz-3loop as well! In terms of PCS/presentation it wasn't as great as some of the other performances, but it was definitely a great program to watch.
    4. 2001 Kwan: Another great program with Kwan - she handled the pressure tremendously well, considering she wasn't the favorite
    5. 2000 Kwan
    6. 2007 Ando: A solid performance, but it wasn't phenomenal, which was why it only placed 2nd for the freeskate. But her reaction afterwards was priceless, one of my favorite moments :respec:
    7. 2002 Slutskaya: A clean program, but a bit conservative and not nearly as much impact as her 2005 winning performance
    8. 2008 Asada: She skated wonderfully, but she did have a fall in the beginning
    9. 2006 Meissner: Clean program with triple-triples, but the rest of her program just wasn't as impressive, though she received a great reaction
    10. 2009 Kim: I can't believe I put this record-breaking performance at the end :lol: But I didn't think her program for this year was that great - it was kind of flat and didn't catch my attention, and she even popped a jump. Not to mention, she skated to Scheherzade:shuffle:
     
  2. SkateElectric

    SkateElectric New Member

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    In terms of which performances I would rewatch and remember the most:

    1. 2001 SOTBS: There was always something about this program, probably the combination of the unique music Dvorak, the moves in the field, etc. It wasn't technically the best of the decade by any means but probably THE program I have enjoyed rewatching the most.
    2. 2004 Turandot: Technically the best skate of the decade for a world-title winning program hands down. Love Shizuka, but she's just steely and doesn't wear her emotions on her sleave ala Kwan. Great skate though.
    3. 2000 Red Violin: Loved it
    4. 2003 Aranjuez
    5. 2005 Wonderland
    6. 2007 Violin Concerto
    7. 2009 Scheherazade
    8. 2002 Tosca: Anticlimactic after the Olympics, but still a great program
    9. 2008 Asada: The fall at the beginning just ruined it for me, even though she got alot of points for the skate.
    10. 2006 Queen of Sheba: Sorry Kimmie, I just haven't rewatched that skate since umm, the day you skated it.
     
  3. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    Kwan skated to Red Violin in 2000, not Miraculous Mandarin. She only used that LP for those dumb GPF rules.
     
  4. IceJunkie

    IceJunkie Well-Known Member

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    Miraculous Mandarin - a cult classic?
     
  5. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I don't think Irina skated to Carmen in 2002. She used Tosca for the LP.

    Michelle never skated Miraculous Mandarin in a world championship.

    My rankings:

    1.Irina 2005- Queen of spades (awesome 3lutz3loop and 3sal3loop to start off, and incredible energy throughout)

    2.Michelle 2001- Song of the black swan (I saw it live in Vancouver, and it was fantastic)

    3.Shizuka 2004-Turandot

    4.Michelle- 2000 The Red Violin (it would have scored a lot higher if she had skated later, but she won anyway).

    5.Michelle 2003-Aranjuez (not as great as at the nationals, but still very good)

    6.Yu na 2009 (one mistake, otherwise good)

    7.Mao 2008 (one fall, otherwise good)

    8. Irina 2002- conservative skate; good enough to win

    9.Miki 2007- Mendelsson

    10 Kimmie 2006- Queen of Sheba (it looked very good at that time; I saw it live, but compared to other world championship performances I have to rank this lower).
     
  6. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    1. 2004 Arakawa - Still say it's the best performance I've ever seen, and the performance that confirmed her as my fave ever. Beautiful blend of technical brilliance, elegant choreo and a build towards a grand finale. Add in the spirals, ina bauer, spread eagles, and it was amazing IMO. Loved the phrasing of the music and how it built toward the end, created such excitement. Some say she wasn't as emotional as Kwan say, but I loved her controlled grace, and how regally statuesque she performed.

    2. Kwan SOTBS - I think this MKs best LP (maybe tied with Lyra) I also think it was her last really good programme. Everything after this was a bit bland/samey/:blah:

    3. ... having said that, I put Kwan's Aranjuez next, simply because this was a PERFORMANCE AND A HALF. Not as interesting or sophisticated as her past efforts, but this was fab nonetheless. Gosh, if only she'd used this for 02 instead of, what IMO, was an awful Schez, who knows what might have happened.

    4. Kwan Red Violin - Don't warm to this programme quite as much, but I can see how complex and gorgeous it is.

    5. Irina 2005 - Never quite got why this is so amazing - but then I guess performing at home after all her troubles is enough. Don't think the actual skating was that hot, and that actual programme was pretty horrendous IMO. Still, was a great moment.

    6. Mao Fantaisie Impromptu - Beautiful programme after the awful fall. Light, airy, balletic, elegant.

    7. Yu-Na Schez - I don't think I've really liked a programme to this music, and this LP paled in comparison to Lark Ascending IMO.

    8. Miki Mendelssohn - At her most elegant at just the right time. Just not in the same league as the ones which have gone before.

    9. Irina Tosca - Hated this LP and it was a pretty cautious outing.

    10. Kimmie Queen of Sheba - yea, yea, Kimmie is lovely, but her being a WC is a bit :eek: IMO.
     
  7. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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    OMG... The Olympics are Over :wuzrobbed
     
  8. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    But not the off-season yet ;)

    Anyway, not sure about the rankings :
    1-Michelle Kwan 2001 Worlds LP

    2-Shizuka Arakawa 2004 Worlds LP

    3-Michelle Kwan 2000 Worlds LP

    4-Michelle Kwan 2003 Worlds LP

    5-Irina Slutskaya 2005 Worlds LP

    6-YuNa Kim 2009 Worlds LP

    7-Mao Asada 2008 Worlds LP

    8-Kimmie Meissner 2006 Worlds LP

    9-Irina Slutskaya 2002 Worlds LP

    10-Miki Ando 2007 Worlds LP
     
  9. shady82

    shady82 Active Member

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    Oops, I made some mistakes in the program titles, it wasn't on purpose :lol:
     
  10. falling_dance

    falling_dance Happy for Kozuka, Sad for D. Murakami

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    1. Kwan, The Red Violin (the best all-around by my lights)

    2. Arakawa, Turandot (would be first but for the quality of the 3-3s and the final spin I can't stand)

    3. Kwan, Song of the Black Swan (would be first but for the flip and second lutz)

    4. Kwan, Aranjuez (see LS's remarks)

    5. Kim, Scheherazade (points lost for the lack of edge triples in this one)

    6. Ando, Mendelssohn Violin Concerto (a massive technical achievement)

    7. Slutskaya, Queen of Spades/Croatian Rhapsody/Wonderland/Gonna Feed the Chickens (Sorry to go all Zayak-rule on this program, but when it's this close between the top nine...)

    8. Slutskaya, Tosca (I suppose this would be a good program for a seventeen-year-old who requested a 'starter Tosca'. But why would you want that to begin with?)

    9. Asada, Fantaisie-Impromptu (She'll deliver better World Championship-winning performances in the future, I'm sure)

    10. Meissner, Belkis, Queen of Sheba (a very complete program; shame about the jump technique)
     
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  11. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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    I know the 2nd lutz was a bit tight, but what was wrong with the flip?
     
  12. falling_dance

    falling_dance Happy for Kozuka, Sad for D. Murakami

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    I don't remember it being quite as close on rotation as the lutz, but it wasn't that great, either, by any criterion I can think of. I'm not saying that it wasn't legit, but compare it to the one in the her 2000 LP.
     
  13. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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    Ah, gotcha. I thought the slo-mo technology revelaed some 2-foot or cheat that I haven't heard of.
     
  14. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    :confused:
    The Flip was good, just the flow on the landing was not the same as the landing. Landed a bit on the ToePick. But then, she bended her knee to gain speed.
    The Lutz was perfect, tight because she had much speed out of the jump.
    Her jumps in 2001 were better than her jumps in 2000, IMO. They were lighter. Her glide was better in 2001 and the program was more sophisticated.
    In 2000, there was more emotion, that's the only thing I think was better in 2000. ;)
     
  15. David21

    David21 Well-Known Member

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    Kwan's flip and 2nd lutz in 2001 were clearly underrotated.

    List:

    1. Arakawa 2004
    2. Slutskaya 2005
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    8. Meissner 2006 (generic)
    9. Ando 2007 (generic, no emotion)
    10. Asada 2008 (big splat at the beginning, overscored) :p
     
  16. chipso1

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    1. Kwan - Aranjuez 2003
    2. Kwan - Red Violin 2000
    3. Arakawa - Turandot 2004
    4. Kwan - SOTBS 2001
    5. Slutskaya 2005
    6. Kim - Schez 2009
    7. Meissner 2006
    8. Asada 2008
    9. Ando 2007
    10. Slutskaya 2002
     
  17. berthesghost

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    1. Kwan - SOTBS 2001
    2. Kwan - Red Violin 2000
    3. Kwan - Aranjuez 2003
    4. Kim - Schez 2009
    5. Arakawa - Turandot 2004
    6. Meissner 2006
    7. Slutskaya 2005
    8. Asada 2008
    9. Ando 2007
    10. Slutskaya 2002
     
  18. Fallcolor

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    1. Arakawa 2004
    2. Kwan 2000
    3. Kwan 2001
    4. Kwan 2003
    5. Asada 2008
    6. Kim 2009 (just because her 2007 LP was so much better than this one)
    6. Slutskaya 2005
    7. Ando 2007
    8. Meissner 2006
    10. Slutskaya 2002
     
  19. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    How the judges would have ranked them all skating against each other I believe:

    1. Irina Slutskaya 2005
    2. Yu Na Kim 2009 (toss up with Slutskaya 05 with judges)
    3. Kwan 2000
    4. Kwan 2001
    5. Arakawa 2004
    6. Slutskaya 2002
    7. Ando 2007
    8. Kwan 2003
    9. Meissner 2006
    10. Ando 2008


    How I personally would have ranked them competing against each other:

    1. Kwan 2000
    2. Arakawa 2004 (had a hard time deciding between this and Kwan 00)
    3. Slutskaya 2005
    4. Kwan 2001
    5. Kim 2009
    6. Ando 2007 (only because of the difficulty and strength of the jumping)
    7. Kwan 2003
    8. Slutskaya 2002
    9. Meissner 2006
    10. Asada 2008

    I hate to rank any of them last since they are all very good.
     
  20. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

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    She did not do a 3sal/3loop.
     
  21. Matryeshka

    Matryeshka Well-Known Member

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    My rankings:
    1. 2004 Arakawa: This performance was ground-breaking! She set new technical standards with a 3lz-3toe-2loop and 3flip-3toe in the same program, and had created a superior artistic impact with Turandot. Her best performance ever!
    2. 2003 Kwan: Her Worlds performance was a joy, considering how much pressure and pain she suffered the year before. I only placed it second, in my opinion behind Arakawa's, because her technical content wasn't nearly as high.
    3. 2005 Slutskaya: A very inspiring performance after her struggles with sickness (and with her mother's), and a 3lz-3loop as well! In terms of PCS/presentation it wasn't as great as some of the other performances, but it was definitely a great program to watch.
    4. 2001 Kwan: Another great program with Kwan - she handled the pressure tremendously well, considering she wasn't the favorite
    5. 2000 Kwan
    6. 2007 Ando: A solid performance, but it wasn't phenomenal, which was why it only placed 2nd for the freeskate. But her reaction afterwards was priceless, one of my favorite moments :respec:
    7. 2002 Slutskaya: A clean program, but a bit conservative and not nearly as much impact as her 2005 winning performance
    8. 2008 Asada: She skated wonderfully, but she did have a fall in the beginning
    9. 2006 Meissner: Clean program with triple-triples, but the rest of her program just wasn't as impressive, though she received a great reaction
    10. 2009 Kim: I can't believe I put this record-breaking performance at the end :lol: But I didn't think her program for this year was that great - it was kind of flat and didn't catch my attention, and she even popped a jump. Not to mention, she skated to Scheherzade:shuffle:[/QUOTE]

    This is haaaaaard. I don't know whether it's better to rank them based on how I felt when I originally saw them, or how I feel watching them again now.

    So, I'll do both :p

    How I felt at the time watching them in terms of joy of watching:
    1. Irina Slutskaya, Queen of Spades
    2. Shizuka Arakwaka
    3. Miki Ando
    4. Yuna Kim
    *big gap*
    5. Mao Asada
    6. Irina Slutskaya, Tosca
    7. Kimmie Meissner
    8. Michelle Kwan, Red Violin
    9. Kwan, Song of the Black Swan
    *big gap*
    10. Kwan, Aranjuez (sorry, I hated this program)

    Watching them now though through the filter of time and with less emotion, I'd rank them:
    1. Shizuka Arakawa
    *big gap*
    2. Yuna Kim
    3. Michelle Kwan, Song of the Black Swan
    4. Mao Asada (yes, she fell twice, but the last three minutes of that program was beyond amazing)
    5. Michelle Kwan, Red Violen
    6. Irina Slutskaya, Queen of Spades
    7. Irina Slutskaya, Tosca
    8. Miki Ando
    *big gap*
    9. Kimmie Meissner
    10. Kwan, Aranjuez (I still hate this program as it turns out)
     
  22. shady82

    shady82 Active Member

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    Wow, Aranjuez behind Meissner, that's new:p
     
  23. icedance21

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    1. Shizuka Arakawa 2004
    2. Kween 2000, Red Violin
    3. Slute 2002, Tosca
    4. Miki Ando 2007
    5. Kween 2003, Concierto de Aranjuez
    6. Kween 2001, Song of the Black Swan
    7. Yuna Kim 2009, Scheherezade
    8. Mao Asada 2008
    9. Slute 2005, Wonderland - Whisper from the Mirror - As much as I lurves the Slute, I just watched it again and I can't stand the posing section in the middle where she deals out the cards.
    10. Kimmie Meissner 2006 - I've just never cared for her skating, what can I say..
     
  24. MikiAndoFan#1

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    1. Shizuka 2004
    2. Michelle 2000
    3. Miki 2007
    4. Yu-Na 2009
    5. Mao 2008
    6. Michelle 2001
    7. Michelle 2003
    8. Irina 2005
    9. Irina 2002
    10. Kimmie 2006

    :)
     
  25. query5

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    i cant- difference in scoring especially from 2005 on.
     
  26. Dr.Siouxs

    Dr.Siouxs Well-Known Member

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    She was feeding chickens. GAWD, get it right. :lynch:
     
  27. dawnie

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    1. Kwan- 2001
    2. Arakawa- 2004
    3. Kim- 2009
    4. Kwan- 2000
    5. Kwan- 2003
    6. Meissner- 2006
    7. Ando- 2007
    8. Slutskaya- 2005: Agree with the card dealing/chicken feeding choreography. :huh:
    9. Asada- 2008: That fall in the beginning was really disruptive.
    10. Slutskaya- 2002: Kwan should have won the free skate and hair-pulling as choreography...really?
     
  28. pollyanna

    pollyanna playing the Glad Game

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  29. blue_idealist

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    1) Arakawa 2004 - While I enjoyed Michelle Kwan's more, I had to put this one first because of the jumps.

    2) Kwan 2003 - This one was better than 01 or 00.. I think it was skated with more passion?

    3) Slutskaya 2005 - While I didn't enjoy re-watching this program, which is weird because Irina used to be my favourite in her day, the technical content was superb.

    4) Kwan 2001

    5) Kwan 2000

    6) Kim 2009 - It was a breathtaking performance, better than her 2010 Olympics one in terms of artistry and passion, I think, but with that single I couldn't put it any higher than this

    7) Ando 2007 - Great technical content, but skated so cautiously and like the commentator said, she didn't seem in control at all times.

    8) Slutskaya 2002 - This one just didn't have as much technical content as the others, and wasn't that interesting

    9) Asada 2008 - I don't remember seeing this before, which is weird because I thought I watched the entire Worlds in 2008. Anyway, I was really unimpressed, and I actually like Mao. I had to put this one last, because of the splat at the beginning (how can you compare that to the others, which had nary a slip?) and because I honestly thought it was boring and uninspired.
     
  30. Cheylana

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    This is tough because really, there were no BAD performances! :) So I’m just ranking based on my personal impression and how they rated on my “wow meter”:

    1) Kwan 2000 – I just loved this performance, she skated with attack and passion, and I love that she dug her way out of third place to win this title. WOWZERS!

    2) Kwan 2001 – Loved this one too, and another “come from behind” victory. WOWIE WOW!

    3) Arakawa 2004 – Just sensational, the two triple-triples were great, and of course she has fabulous speed and power. WOW WOW!

    4) Slutskaya 2005 – Great technical content, coupled with the amazing comeback story = WOW! Music was a little cheesy, but at least it wasn’t overused, and I’ll always associate it with Irina. Somehow I didn’t mind the card-dealing…

    5) Kim 2009 – Gorgeous triple triple in the beginning was WOW! The rest was good, but not an out-and-out WOW. Also, Sheherazade is so played out.

    6) Meissner 2006 – Great technical effort for this youngster in her first Worlds appearance, and although I was rooting for Sasha here, I loved how Kimmie took advantage. The 3-3s were great, and the 2A-2T-2T at the very end gave this a wow! tempered by need to work on spirals and presentation.

    7) Ando 2007 - Great technical content, but this stroke-jump, stroke-jump performance put me to sleep. Still, a very solid effort. Putting her ahead of Kwan 2003 based on 3-3 and non-hackneyed music.

    8) Kwan 2003 – It was good but only six triples and no 3-3s reduced the wow factor for me. Also, the Aranjuez music was so overdone by then; I preferred how she left her mark with RV and SOTBS, which I consider “her” music…

    9) Asada 2008 – The giant splat took me out of it, but good on her to fight her way through.

    10) Slutskaya 2002 – Sort of blah, especially with no 3-3. She got the job done, but no real wow factor for me. I would have had Kwan ahead on the free.