Rank the Skating Skills of these Senior Ladies

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  1. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    So I'm not that good at determining who has the best and the worst skating skills and some of you guys seem to know a lot about it. (ie For example, Surya's skating skills don't really look that awful to me, especially after 93. It was horrible in 89-92).

    So how would you rank these skaters?

    1. Miki Ando
    2. Mao Asada
    3. Yuna Kim
    4. Kimmie Meissner
    5. Yukari Nakano
    6. Carolina Kostner
    7. Sarah Meier
    8. Emily Hughes
    9. Joannie Rochette
    10. Ashley Wagner
    11. Alissa Czisny
    12. Mirai Nagasu
    13. Akiko Suzuki
     
  2. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    Great question and a tough call. Here are my rankings:

    1. Joannie Rochette
    2. Alissa Czisny
    3. Carolina Kostner
    4. Yuna Kim
    5. Yukari Nakano
    6. Akiko Suzuki
    7. Mao Asada
    8. Miki Ando
    9. Ashley Wagner
    10. Mirai Nagasu
    11. Sarah Meier
    12. Kimmie Meissner
    13. Emily Hughes
     
  3. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    1. kim
    2. kostner
    3. czisny
    4. asada
    5. nakano
    6. ando
    7. rochette
    8. suzuki
    9. wagner
    10. nagasu
    11. meissner
    12. meier
    13. hughes
     
  4. burntBREAD

    burntBREAD Active Member

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    Most of these ladies have strong skating skills, so it's a tough question!
     
  5. vodkashot

    vodkashot Active Member

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    Does Alissa Czisny really rate that high in skating skills? To me, she has nice edges and flow but lacks speed and power.
     
  6. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    Is there a reason why you selected these particular ladies? Like, why Emily Hughes instead of Lepisto, Korpi, Cohen, etc.?
     
  7. gingercrush

    gingercrush New Member

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    Best

    Carolina Kostner

    Great

    Akiko Suzuki

    Very good

    Yuna Kim
    Mao Asada
    Joannie Rochette
    Mirai Nagasu

    Good

    Miki Ando
    Ashley Wagner
    Yukari Nakano
    Kimmie Meissner

    Average

    Alissa Czisny

    Less than average

    Sarah Meier

    Horrific

    Emily Hughes


    Ranking really isn't good enough so I'll also seperate them.
     
  8. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I've always seen everyone talk about how great Laura's and Kiira's skating skills are and how lackluster Cohen's is, but no one's ever really talked about Emily's SS and how they match up to everyone else. So I wanted to see what everyone else thought about her skating skills. It's interesting that she fell to the bottom of almost everyone's list. I'm also surprised that Kimmie was also picked second to last because a lot of posters have said that her depth of edge was great.

    I also find it interesting that some people put Ashley over Mirai because I thought many posters thought that Mirai's was better...
     
  9. Amy03

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    here are my rankings:


    1. Asada
    2. kim
    3. Kostner
    4. Suzuki
    5. Ando
    6. Rochette
     
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  10. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Kostner is far ahead of anyone else in that list. Hers are clearly superior.

    I'd have Czisny and then Kim trailing Carolina, then a gap and then the others in some order (I'm tired now and can't think :p).

    Asada used to have quite weak skating skills, she's been improving them consistently but they're still a bit meh for a skater of her standard.
     
  11. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    1. Carolina Kostner
    2. Joannie Rochette
    3. Yuna Kim
    4. Akiko Suzuki
    5. Mao Asada
    6. Yukari Nakano
    7. Ashley Wagner
    8. Mirai Nagasu
    9. Miki Ando
    10. Sarah Meier
    11. Kimmie Meissner
    12. Alissa Czisny
    13. Emily Hughes
     
  12. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    ^ Interesting another Wagner over Nagasu!
     
  13. lauravvv

    lauravvv Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for doing this poll instead of me :). After the men's poll I was debating with myself whether to do a similar poll with female skaters, as it didn't go as well as I had hoped. But you made it simpler, without the overly long explanations, so I think people will respond more readily. They already are :).

    I would have included Cohen and Korpi, and probably Arakawa, although she finished in 2006 (but I would say that Cohen finished in 2006 as well, as she didn't compete in any international competitions in 2009/2010). But I understand your reasoning for including other ladies instead.
     
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  14. sk8ingcoach

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    1: Carolina Kostner
    2: Akiko Suzuki
    3: Yuna Kim
    4: Mao Asada
    5: Joannie Rochette
    6: Ashley Wagner
    7: Miki Ando
    8: Yukari Nakano
    9: Mirai Nagasu
    10: Sarah Meier
    11:Alissa Czisny
    12:Kimmie Meissner
    13: Emily Hughes
     
  15. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    I pretty much agree exactly with yours but i think Mirai should be lower
     
  16. RunnersHigh

    RunnersHigh Well-Known Member

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    SS of Free Skating In Vancouver.

    • Yuna Kim : 9.05
    • Joannie Rochette : 8.60
    • Mao Asada : 8.55
    • Miki Ando : 7.95
    • Mirai Nagasu : 7.75
    • Carolina Kostner : 7.55
    • Akiko Suzuki : 7.40

    In my mind Caro above Miki.
     
  17. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Lol I actually was inspired to do this poll from your men's poll. We could do the others later because it seems like everyone has somewhat a concensus on the bottom five (being Ashley, Mirai, Sarah, Kimmie, and Emily and with Alissa in the mix).

    I'm so surprised that Kimmie and Emily are at the bottom of nearly everyone's list! I've never heard of anyone complaining about their skating skills... All I've heard is that Kimmie has windmill arms and that Emily's skating is heavy...
     
  18. t.mann

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    A+ : Kim, Caro (When you see live, only this two have dazzling factor.)

    ((gap))

    A0 : Lepisto

    A- : Suzuki, Rochette, Mao
     
  19. TripleWallie

    TripleWallie New Member

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    This thread is missing something critical:

    Skating Skills video

    (It's an ISU video describing what is skating skills, its components, and it shows examples of good and bad skating skills.)

    Of course, I'm not going to be naive and think people won't rank skaters based on personal bias. :rolleyes:
     
  20. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    Are Yuna's SS really that great? They're good, but she uses an awful lot of crossovers for someone with her level of SS (which really looks obvious when you look at her setup to her lutzes).
     
  21. l'etoile

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    ^^ Yuna's shown her ability do them easily with a required step into them in SP performances, both lutz and flip. The setup you pointed out can only be shown in her attempt for 3-3s, solo flip and her second lutz later in the programs so I'd argue that crossovers are needed for her in this case because they are indeed difficult and important ones whereas she could easily add ina bauer or spread eagle directly into jumps like 3s, 2a-3t. Meanwhile, Carolina for one who's been mentioned as one of greatest for her SS has a long setup for almost every jump of hers. Plus, there aren't many who could garner the speed with just a couple of crossovers/pushes like Kim.

    Skating skills I think have lots with edges and fluidity than they have with jumping ability.

    I'd categorize them as
    Great ones:
    Yuna Kim
    Carolina Kostner
    Akiko Suzuki

    Good ones:
    Joannie Rochette
    Mao Asada

    Decent ones:
    Alissa Ciszny
    Mirai Nagasu
    Ashley Wagner
    Yukari Nakano

    Mediocre ones:
    Miki Ando
    Sarah Meier
    Emily Hughes
    Kimmie Meissner

    Of course, it's "great, good, decent, and mediocre" for top senior ladies, not in general field.
     
  22. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    I'm not at all surprised about Hughes, who is easily the worst of the skaters listed in every category. But I am surprised about Meissner. Despite her airplane arms, I never would have thought people would categorize her as having mediocre or bad skating skills. I always thought she had good use of edges and speed, though unfortunately she never was able to reach her potential and I'll always be sad about that.
     
  23. smarts1

    smarts1 Well-Known Member

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    I was actually also shocked that Carolina was not ranked first unanimously for her SS. Posters always say how :swoon: Carolina's SS are and yet some of the posters have put her 3rd or lower in terms of SS.

    I'm also shocked by the number of posters who have put Joannie behind Yuna and some others. From other threads, it seemed like Carolina's SS>>Joannie's SS>> Yuna's SS>>Mao's SS...
     
  24. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    ITA, Kimmie had great edges, I thought.
     
  25. Triple Butz

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    Kostner
    Kim
    Rochette
    Nagasu
    Asada
    Suzuki
    Meissner
    Wagner
    Czisny
    Meier
    Nakano
    Ando
    Hughes
     
  26. eleonorad

    eleonorad New Member

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    1 Kostner
    2 Asada
    3 Czisny
    4 Kim, Suzuki
    6 Rochette
    7 Meier
    8 Wagner
    9 Nagasu
    10 Ando
    11 Nakano
    12 Hughes
    13 Meissner
     
  27. shine

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    Czisny has great SS? :confused:

    And some have Kim above Kostner....LOL. Kim doesn't even come close. She may be fast and strong, but she doesn't strike me as someone who has effortless glide or run to her blades.
     
  28. RunnersHigh

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emOBxsV3atI

    Video from ISU above explains 7 times strokes (or crossovers) is well.... not awful but needed to obtain speed prior to the jump elements. In the vid, there're 3 excellent skaters for example and 1st skater (in the vid :lol:) also used 7 strokes for 13 seconds prior to the element and most of the ice like Yuna. And her speed is. :swoon:
     
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  29. mikeko

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    Kim and Asada are both overrated. Kim had speed but her skating was rough while Asada can look pretty but is actually rather slow.
     
  30. robinhood

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    I suppose you all are rating Kostner because these 2 past seasons, when she's a mature skater. She seemed very out of control before for me. Make this poll in 2010 and I bet she would be nowhere near Yuna and Asada or Rochette and more in the range of Ando.
    Anyway, it's very difficult to rank them all but l'etoile list is the more appropiate, ImHo