Rachael Flatt's New Coaches

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  1. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

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  2. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

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    I wish Rachael the best of luck with her new coaches and hope she has a great season! :cheer2:
  3. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Best wishes to Flatt and her coaches in the new season. This also sounds pretty cool:

  4. Cheylana

    Cheylana Well-Known Member

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    Glad Rachael has a plan in place and that her stress fracture is healing. I wish her well.
    Also, it looks like Tom Z won't have any hand in Rachael's training going forward. Good. :shuffle:
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  5. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    Yay for Justin Dillon! :)

    Interesting choice for the FS.
  6. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    IIRC, Lynn Smith has coached many young skaters to success at the lower levels over the years (Kelcie Lee when she won her 2004 Juvenile Girls title?). Smith coached Kevin Shum, a last-minute Novice Men's alternate, to a 9th place finish at 2011 US Nationals.

    I believe Smith and Dillon currently co-coach Shum and Gwendolyn Prescott (2010 Intermediate silver medalist who has been competing Junior so far this summer), among others.

    Flatt skated to "Firebird" for her FS when she won her 2005 U.S. Novice National title.
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  7. MikiAndoFan#1

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    :lol:
  8. peibeck

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    :rollin: I always enjoyed Justin's skating, even if he was never a top contender.

    It will be a challenge balancing Stanford's academics with sports, but I wish all involved good luck.

    And even though I don't really love "Firebird" too much, it will make for a nice change of pace with all the "swans" we are getting this season. :lol:
  9. olifaunt

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    Hm. I'm not sure I like what she said about Lori choreographing the program in two days...But I like her new coaching team, I love her attitude, and I wish her all the best. Go Rachael!
  10. Jenna

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    I hope she adds that 3F+3T and that her 2A+3T becomes fully rotated. I'm still skeptical about the 3Lz-3Lo but I would love for that to happen!
  11. victoriaheidi

    victoriaheidi New Member

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    I'm hoping that what she meant was that, given how natural the program felt to her, it only took her two days to pick up on what Lori choreographed for her. I'm hoping. If that's the case, I'm very optimistic.
  12. Cheylana

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    I wonder if they are just updating the version of Firebird she used in 2005; perhaps that is why she picked up the choreo so quickly?
  13. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    I didn't realize Lynn was coaching down in San Jose. Last time I was skating, she was up in Oakland. She's a good technical coach. Justin's a good guy, but I have no sense of what kind of coach he is. His students seem to love him though.
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    Firebird might be a good choice, can't wait to see it. Maybe this darker music is better suited giving her almost a Vanessa Gusmeroli/Irina Slutskaya vibe. I'd like to see her in some kind of black pant suit. Hope she has fun this year and brings it.
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    I can't think of any two skaters more unlike than Irina S & Vanessa G. But I agree Firebird might be a good choice. She won't be able to do cutesy moves with that music. Or she shouldn't be able to.
  16. olympic

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    So, she will be skating with Dillon and Smith primarily, and also working with Tickner and Ponomarenko.

    I like in the article that she mentions she needs help with the packaging and artistry. I think she'll be on the right track. Although, I'm a little concerned that she's behind due to time off from her tibia injury
  17. MoreIce

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    I really like these coaching choices and am now actually excited to see her this season!
  18. sequinsgalore

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    The article says triple lutz-half loop-triple loop, which is 3Lz+3Lo+SEQ (bw: 8.88). I don't think the 3Lz+3Lo is possible for her in competition, even though it was stated, that she would attempt the combination last season.

    The 3Lz+3Lo+SEQ seems more possible. Still, I don't think the sequence is a good idea - too much risk, but little gain... she can fit in 7 triples another way.
  19. AxelAnnie

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    She is skating to Firebird..............Really? Oh man. That music is so nuanced, so compelling. If you don't skate with a level of depth of understanding, feeling, the music, and lay on a level of head ringing, arm shaking.........this could be a nightmare! I thought Joannie Rochette's "Firebird" was so fabulous - her upper body carriage and use of arms.............amazing. . And love that funky Russian guy. I thought his interpretation really brought something superb to the ice.
  20. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Don't give anyone ideas!!! :yikes:

    I'm hoping that Rachael will use this as a rebuilding year, and not focus on getting to Worlds. If she gets a late start and simply works on artistry and getting back on track, she may not make Worlds (but still might get 4CC), but could be in a great position for next season. This might also be a good pace for her in her first year of college.

    Good luck Rachael!
  21. maureenfarone

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    I'm happy to see Rachael getting input from a variety of coaches. I hope Sergie Ponomarenko can help her with speed, flow across the ice, and better use of the blade. Hope she does view this as a rebuilding year and has a good season!
  22. Jenna

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    OK, that seems more feasible.
  23. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Good luck Rachael. Freshman year at Stanford will be challenging, but she knows what she can handle. She's got a good head on her shoulders. I wish her all the best.
  24. olympic

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    Despite the downside of Tom Z's packaging, Rachael was able to get a full arsenal of triples, the right edge on the lutz, and more or less able to rotate everything in her time in his camp at Colorado Sprs. So, I think moving forward, these new coaches should help her blossom artistically and perhaps also help her with speed
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    I think costuming will play a big factor in success of the firebird program.
    It's such an overused music, but depending on how she presents it, it could turn out pretty decent IMO.
  26. Flying Camel

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    Firebird sounds like another excuse to wear Red.:(
  27. mikemba

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    Just a minor point of disagreement: Rachael doesn't have a full arsenal of triples since she does not have a triple axel.
  28. MacMadame

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    But she looks great in red!
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    Maybe she'll put some Caydee Denney Firebird red extensions in her hair as well. I can see it now...
  30. Jenny81

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    Good for Rachael. :)

    You're the National Champion.
    Don't forget this fact.
    You go girl. :encore:
  31. AndyWarhol

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    How does one go into a loop from a half loop.. wouldn't she be on the wrong foot....
  32. sequinsgalore

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    Shawn Sawyer did a 3F+1Lo+3Lo+SEQ last season in his long program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSoTrye1gFw&feature=player_detailpage#t=205s

    Though at 4CC he underrotated both the 3F and 3Lo. But it is treated as a sequence of three jumps (but you count only the two highest scoring jumps), not a three-jump combo.
  33. AndyWarhol

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    a full single loop i can understand, but a half loop is generally used to go into a salchow, as one land on the left leg (counter clockwise jumper)

    I kinda see how it would work after watching the clip. I think though, that having to put the right leg back down onto the ice, and behind the left leg once completing the half loop looks messy. Shwan looked like he stumbled though the jump...
  34. paskatefan

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    Wishing Rachel all the best in her new coaching arrangements, not to mention great success in college.
  35. FigureSpins

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    Best of luck to Rachael and her new coaching team.
  36. RumbleFish

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    Nakano Yukari also had a memorable costume for her firebird.
  37. olympic

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    Obviously. I meant the array of triples that women can normally do
  38. Cal Girl

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    Wishing Rachael and her new coaching staff a great season.
    All the best to Rachael at Stanford.

    I do hope she gets a new dressmaker and some fresh ideas that way. Although I have never hated any of her dresses, I haven't loved any either.
  39. victoriaheidi

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    But NO SLEEVES! The sleeves at Worlds made everything look worse.

    Another idea would be to wear a black dress with a bright "firebird" "decal" (I don't think I'm explaining this well, but maybe somebody will understand. If not, I'll try to find a similar image) in one place.
  40. Screenie

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    So excited about this match up! Justin Dillon and Lynn Smith are both *excellent* coaches, not to mention Sergei.

    And in terms of Firebirds, I liked Kurt Browning's . :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inl0dbfFBCw

    Though I also just rewatched a few others just to get in the spirit of it.
    Like Tonia Kwiatkowski, Kristi & Rudi, Miki Ando, Watson & Oppegard, Miki Ando ... lots of fun excuses to watch skating.

    Also a good excuse to watch a program of Justin's that I loved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__BWA0s-7GI