Quality of Living worldwide city rankings

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by WildRose, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

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    I lived in New York for three years, and loved every minute of it. Not once did the people of Manhattan make me feel like a foreigner, or try to preach "Americanism" to me. I felt entirely welcome there, and very, very safe living on my own.

    For that matter, I work with many Americans and have spent time in many American cities, and I've never experienced anyone trying to "indoctrinate" me.

    I have nothing but admiration for the American spirit, and although I am a proud Canadian, if immigration laws allowed it, I'd be living there now.
  2. Ziggy

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    Canadians can't easily immigrate to the US? :eek:
  3. Jenny

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    No - there is a complicated system of visas, and unless you work in a highly specialized field, it's a difficult process. You can visit all you want, and buy property as far as I know, but working there is another story.
  4. purple skates

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    ..and they call us ugly...:rolleyes:
  5. allezfred

    allezfred Prick Admin Staff Member

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    But I'm not the one complaining about what bad value I'm getting because of the weakness of my currency. ;)

    Are you looking to move somewhere? :lol:
  6. Ziggy

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    Wow, what a joke. As if there are hordes of Canadians desperate to cross the border. :rofl:
  7. purple skates

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    You'd be surprised. In my circle I can think eight Canadians off the top of my head living here in Michigan. Of course they are all associated with youth hockey (no surprise there :p) so maybe that part of our culture is more saturated with Canadians than non-hockey people.

    ETA - I also know at least a half dozen adult figure skaters who are not US born but who have been here for years and years, but that could be due to my close proximity to the University of Michigan.
  8. Jenny

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    Not sure what's so funny. The system is designed to prioritize Americans for American jobs, which I can see given ongoing challenges with unemployment, as is the case in many countries. Canada actually has policies (as does the US) to incentivize qualified professionals in many professions to stay at home rather than take jobs abroad - known as a country's "brain drain."

    I was glad to have the opportunity to work in the US (and pay taxes I might add), but I can see why they wouldn't want to make it easy.
  9. Vagabond

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    Have you ever actually been to the United States? If so, where, when, and for how long?
  10. missflick

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    I was reading the other day that Winsor, Ontario had its first homicide in 27 months. 27 MONTHS! Makes me (almost) want to live there...
  11. purple skates

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    I like Windsor. :) Unfortunately, I haven't spent as much time there as an adult as I did before I turned 21 (um, for obvious reasons), but there used to be some awesome Chinese food there and a great little English-style pub. I'll have to Google and see if that's still there.

    Windsor also has some really great riverside parks.

    ETA - looks like the pub is gone. :( It was next to the Old Fish Market.
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  12. Japanfan

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    :confused:

    That's a huge generalization and you're assuming their is one doctrine of "Americanism".

    There are politically conservative/redneck parts of America where I wouldn't want to live, but likewise, there are politically conservative/redneck parts of Canada where I wouldn't want to live. . .
  13. my little pony

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    i'd be willing to live in a hovel to live in geneva, unfortunately i do not believe that they have any hovels

    i once asked the hotel maid in geneva where she lived and she said outside of town. maybe there is some low rent outskirt they keep hidden from the foreigners.
  14. Lanie

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    I didn't know being a conservative meant you were a redneck. Learn something new every day! I'm a redneck from Los Angeles. :rofl:

    I wouldn't want to live anywhere where there is snow. Period. I would die.
  15. IceAlisa

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    Americanism-espousing redneck from San Francisco here. :shuffle:

    I've been to Vienna and absolutely loved it. I recall people washing their sidewalks with soap there. :eek:

    My parents were there just a few months ago and came back with rave reviews.
  16. *Jen*

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    I visited the US for the first time this year and loved it. There was only one person I met who went on and on about the greatness of Denver...but he was a guide so that was his job ;)

    Visiting from Europe, I understood for the first time that there was some appeal in the 'American dream'. I never understood it before, but in the US there is space, modernity and convenience, and the people are friendly.

    I don't think I'd want to live there, but appalling lack of social system, transport and healthcare aside, I do understand the appeal and I am surprised there aren't more cities on the list.

    I tend to think there would be more on the 'liveable' list, though, which uses slightly different criteria...
  17. PRlady

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    Eventually. I'm sure not going to retire in DC, it's too expensive and the summer weather is unbearable.

    Maybe i'll come visit you like Southpaw did and see how Ireland looks. :p
  18. PRlady

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    Aw, you just want a conservative, orderly city after putting up with SanFran nutsiness all these years. (I was just working out and watching CNN see that toys in Happy Meals are now banned. :rolleyes: Don't they have anything better to do?)

    And I'm a proud, patriotic American lefty, joining with the rest of the Americans of whatever political persuasion. From some friends of my ex-husband who live there, I know New Zealand is not enamoured of the US in general. Somehow I don't think our diplomats are losing much sleep over that.
  19. RobbieB

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    I used to work with a lot of Aussies, and they didn't seem "enamoured" with us either...ah well, you win some, you lose some, eh?

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  20. allezfred

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    You're more than welcome, although summer weather here tends to be unbearable in a different way to DC. :lol:

    Another reason to love San Francisco! :cheer:

    "Oh say can you see by the dawn's early light..." ;)
  21. Ziggy

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    Go San Francisco!

    Down with Happy Meal toys! :mitchell:
  22. IceAlisa

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    That may very well be true. Also, I miss European architecture. And no, obviously, our city government has nothing at all to do other than to waste time/:bribe: on laws that don't work. :scream:
    Except not. McD figured out a way around this: since they are not allowed to GIVE AWAY toys with Happy Meals, they are now charging 10 cents for it to go with the meal. Proceeds go to the Ronald McDonald charity. :rofl: Nanny state fail.

    Also, how do you, admirers of the city feel about the San Francisco Unified School district policy that required higher test scores from Chinese-American students when they were applying to magnet public schools? True story. This policy was only overturned as a result of a lawsuit.
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  23. allezfred

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    I'm sure you could find a crazy story about Vienna city administration without trying very hard as well. :lol:

    San Francisco struck me as the most European city in the U.S. I've been to (and yes I lived there ;) ), so maybe you wouldn't like to live in Europe as much as you think. ;)
  24. IceAlisa

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    Yes, and?
    I always find this "SF is so Euro" notion baffling. I've lived in Europe, both Eastern and Western, btw. I never said I would like to live in Europe again. I expressed a liking for a European city, not quite the same thing.
  25. allezfred

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    The grass is always greener.

    Well you don't live in Europe any more and sound like you hate San Francisco. Perhaps you should try living somewhere else like Texas or Alaska. It might be a better fit. :saint:
  26. agalisgv

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    I always thought it had a European quality to it too. But then most Brits I know who visit SF come away with that impression, so maybe I just absorbed that from them.
  27. IceAlisa

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    You are reading something I am not typing. I said I like Vienna, you are reading something clearly different. Oh well.


    Perhaps you should try living in Cuba. ;)
  28. allezfred

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    I like living where I live. Unlike you. You always complain about how awful it is to live in San Francisco. If you don't like it, move. Simples.

    Otherwise, you're just moaning for the sake of it and secretly love living in a vibrant, fun, multi-cultural city with a temperate climate.
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  29. IceAlisa

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    Simples, eh. I am not going to go into reasons why it may not be "simples". It should be obvious to the most casual observer.
    There are definitely great things about the city, which I have repeatedly stated, including multiculturalism. However, the often ridiculous politics/utterly dysfunctional schools are not a good fit for me, so I've been working on the process you consider so "simples". Also, I prefer SoCal weather to the perpetual fog of San Francisco.
  30. jlai

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    I don't like where I live, but I'm kinda stuck here because of personal reasons. I don't mind living in San Fran, but moving will not be easy. :(
  31. IceAlisa

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    Yes, moving is not easy, especially when for instance, you have a family, friends and job(s), all of which are so utterly "simples" to leave behind.
  32. allezfred

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    My experience is that if someone wants to make a change badly enough, they'll make it happen. If they don't they'll make all sorts of excuses about why it's not possible. ;)
  33. IceAlisa

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    My experience is that if someone wants to continue being purposefully obtuse, they'll make it happen. ;)
  34. jlai

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    Or if you have disabled relatives that rely on you and need to stay in a certain place. :(
  35. agalisgv

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    IA--don't you live in Marin County? It's rather distinct from SF IIRC.
    I don't know--my son is a quadriplegic, and we've moved several times. If you really have to move, you do it. People with challenging circumstances do it all the time.

    I tend to agree with fred that people who don't move generally like where they live relative to other places.
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  36. allezfred

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    Just don't mention how much you hate living in awful San Francisco so much and we'll all be happier not to have to read it and think "why the f*ck doesn't she just move then?"

    Simples. :saint:
  37. IceAlisa

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    No, whatever made you think that? I like Marin, better weather, better schools.

    I hate living in awful San Francisco. But you don't have to read it. Simples. :saint:
  38. allezfred

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    Move there! :cheer:
  39. agalisgv

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    Why not move to Marin or Contra Costa Counties? They have fab school districts, and at least with Contra Costa, are on the BART so are easily accessible to SF for commuting purposes.

    I'm not trying to be snarky btw. Just curious
  40. jlai

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    The only way I can move right now is to cut my ties off every member of my family who live here. :( I'm working on moving though, but if I wanna keep the family (or at least part of it) then I'll have to take my time on this one.