Project Runway All-Stars: Villians. Razzle-bedazzle and snarky turkey disco!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Matryeshka, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. aftershocks

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    ^^ Well, I don't think its a bad thing that PR at least makes the effort to be inclusive with selecting designers from a variety of different backgrounds and different ages. Obviously there have not been many designers over 50 on the show, because it is probably rare for someone to seek a career at the top levels of design when they are over 50. I am just choosing not to automatically dismiss this 59-year-old because of her age. There isn't a huge sample of PR designers over a certain age, but yes some like Peach Carr didn't do that well (not necessarily because of her age or talent, but seemingly because she had a limited area of expertise and she apparently didn't believe in herself or trust her instincts enough -- I think that happens to a lot of the designers in the hot-bed of PR competition). Bert Keeter and Wendy Pepper did do well (also Laura Bennett and some others who were in their 40s went far on the show). I don't think the age of these designers should be used as a negative determination for how they fare on the show.

    For myself personally, I am just trying to be more expansive in the way I think about age-related issues. It is not the designers' ages that should be used as an excuse if they don't do well on the show. And that was the inference you initially made:


    And per your most recent post:

    I think all involved with PR take the show very seriously because the show has been successful as a franchise and they are trying to keep it going. Obviously, they try to make selections on the basis of talent, but also on personality and on the mix of personalities they think might make for an entertaining show. Among their considerations has always been including people from different ages and backgrounds. I don't think Heidi and PR producers are any less serious about designers over a certain age than they are about younger designers or gay designers or black designers or female vs male designers -- the auf'ing doesn't always seem fair of course and none of us always agree with the judges or with each other, but who goes and who stays is generally based on how well each individual designer is able to step up to the challenges they are confronted with throughout their season.

    Clearly, 59-year-old Cindy Marlatt in PR Season 11, has something going for herself as a designer and not simply as a hobbyist who makes her own clothes and has a background in quilting. She had to audition for the show and she was accepted on the basis of her design talent, construction skills, her portfolio and her presentation before the selection committee.

    All the videos of the new designers' auditions, home studio and closet tours are up on the PR website, along with brief bios and Q&As. I took the time to look at the videos on each one of the Season 11 designers, which is something entertaining and informative to do before the new season starts. IMO, the fact that all of these designers are talented will have less bearing on how well they do on the show, than will other factors including the new team format, personality differences, character flaws, limited time factor, judges' perceptions, producers' behind-the-scenes viewpoints, and individual designers' weaknesses.

    PEACE to you cruisin. Enjoy the new PR season! Also, enjoy upcoming Nationals. Best to you in the New Year.
  2. cruisin

    cruisin Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, the same to you.
  3. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    The producers know the winner as soon as the show gets down to the final 5 or so. I don't drive myself crazy thinking that the designer with the best clothes will win. Actually, it's mildly amusing watching the show to look for the telltale signs of producer manipulation. Bunin Murray is far less subtle than the Magical Elves.
  4. Rob

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    They also don't take the craft show fashion industry seriously. Yet people make tons of money there. I think a lot of the older contestants have already been or could be successful in local boutiques or craft shows. Someone like Cindy Marlatt might have been so successful in business that she could bankroll her own collection. For her, even one appearance is probably good publicity locally. Heck if she makes a comfortable suit, I'll buy one.
  5. skatesindreams

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    During his season, many people thought that Bert's decoy collection was better than those of the finalists.
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    I think Joshua and Ryan were here last this weekend. A friend posted a picture of himself and Josh. I know Josh had come here with Ryan before so it could be an old picture but it seems random to post it late last night. They must be good friends.
  7. Cyn

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    Is anyone here watching the final?

    I thought Uli's collection was by far the best of the three. AR's, while sleek and streamlined, was a total snoozefest IMO, and Emilio's had me a bit :huh:.

    I was :rolleyes: at Isaac's tight-lipped bitchface and polite golfer's clap when Uli's models were doing their group pass, but then again it was no surprise as he's had his tongue up Anthony Ryan's ass the entire season.

    Panel should be interesting :watch:
  8. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    i couldnt find lifetime

    i like uli's best. i can see johnny stealing the makeup for an exhibition.
  9. danceronice

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    I thought Anthony Ryan's looked like a design-school student's. And Emilio's collection looked like a couple pieces used over and over, and he's trying to back them into a corner where if they don't give him the win they look racist. I like Uli's best--I wouldn't necessarily wear most/any of them, but it looks like a *real* collection.
  10. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    i think it is funny to hear them critiqued by a girl in a teal crocheted toilet paper cover
  11. my little pony

    my little pony snarking for AZE

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    egad PR teams
    the looks on their faces, i cant say that i blame them
  12. Cyn

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    ^^This. 100%.

    :rofl:

    I got a major Tilda Swinton vibe from Uli's models' makeup and hair, and the faux fur used in her collection had a very Winter Witch from Narnia thing going on :lol:.

    I hope she wins, but I'm not holding my breath.
  13. duane

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    I thought AR's show was BORING!! Emilio's show was the most entertaining, and I LOVED seeing a runway show that had all black models (and it wasn't an 'Ebony Fashion Fair' show). But overall, Uli was the best (tho watching those models walking in those extremely high shoes was scary to watch).
  14. Rogue

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    I can't believe who won - I thought he should have been last based on the final collection. This win was based on prior weeks.
  15. Rob

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    ITA, AR was a student show. I liked Uli best (again).

    Predictable ending.
  16. Bonita

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    Uli should have won. That's what you'd really see on a runway. AR was too he same for me (ie, dresses) and Emilio was just thrown together. Great idea but he needed a month.
  17. manleywoman

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    Uli was robbed.
  18. Matryeshka

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    Emilio always has the best idea, but he rarely has the best finished project. That being said, I can see a case for him winning because it was at least a great concept. Uli had a fully realized vision and it was just beautiful and whimsical to look at. Plus, you could see how it could be broken down for ready to wear.
    Anthony Ryan brought nothing new to the table and his last look was bad in design and execution. I found the different lengths distracting. Putting the clothes together made Emilio and Uli's collection look better; it made Anthony Ryan's look worse.

    PR All Stars is sort of like post-Oly Worlds some years: righting the wrongs of the main event regardless of what's put on the ice. The first mini-one they gave to Daniel V., even though his collection was AWFUL (and Korto was denied her rightful win :mad: ), Mondo won to wipe Wretchen out of every one's mind (which is fine, he had a good collection, but Austin was stronger IMO), and now Anthony Ryan, who should have been in the final on his season but on this one is damn lucky he made it to the final. I'm sorry they have their oh-shit-what-were-we-thinking (looks at Ninagarcia) moments, but you don't make it right by compounding the error. They should just have a second medal ceremony and declare the winner at the time and the what-we-should-have-done winner right before the next season airs.
  19. Sasha'sSpins

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    I think Uli should have won. I understood what Emilio was trying to say but his collection just didn't grab me. Also, from his comments, I kept getting the uncomfortable feeling he was pulling some kind of a subtle race card which I admit I didn't get. Still I was pulling for him if Uli didn't win. Ryan's collection looked very sleek but like the same version of one dress done in different colors. For that alone he should have been third. No imagination imo. At least Emilio's line had some variety.
  20. PRlady

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    Yep, Uli wuzrobbed and moreoever, the judges knew it. That was a beautiful collection and a few pieces (fur vest/sweater) I would kill for. AR's wasn't bad, it had a idea, but it surely wasn't that interesting; and Emilio's upset me. I also know what he was trying to say but the Aunt Jemima hairstyles and the so-so clothes left me :confused:
  21. cruisin

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    I forgot it was on :shuffle:. I'll look at the site photos.

    Okay, based on photos, Uli definitely should have won. More creative, more intricate, more interesting, better made. I hated Emilio's, except for the red jumpsuit. The rest were choppy and would not look good on anyone. AR's was boring, but better made than Emilio's. AR's long dress, in royal and black http://www.mylifetime.com/shows/project-runway-all-stars/season-2/rate-the-runway/episode-12#id=1 is a total rip off of a Marc by Marc Jacobs dress from Fall 2012 http://www.farfetch.com/shopping/women/marc-by-marc-jacobs-colorblock-dress-item-10289969.aspx It was also done in royal and black.
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  22. danceronice

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    I THOUGHT EXACTLY THIS. The first one turned the corner and I was like "JADIS THE WHITE WITCH! OMG SHE SKINNED ASLAN!" But it worked and it had a more mature-designer vibe to me.

    Yes. He even went out of his way on the runway to remind everyone he was using "all models of color" which felt a little like "So white judges, think carefully before you eliminate me how that's going to look." Also, I didn't really think he had much variety-it also had the 'junior' vibe the judges mentioned. (Also, one of this models really needs Miss J.'s remedial stomping class because he told her aggressive and she interpreted that as lurching with a weird hitch in her left shoulder.)
  23. skatesindreams

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    Would Uli have had a better chance of winning if she hadn't used the "Tilda Swenton vibe" for her model's hair and makeup.
    I believe it actually distracted attention from her clothes.

    For someone who talked about "inclusion"; Emilio doomed himself with stereotypes in his concept, designs, and model's look.
  24. duane

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    Just because someone mentions race doesn't mean they are playing the "race card". Sheesh.
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    When Emilio lost Seth Aaron, the judges criticized him for showing a collection rather than putting on a show. Here, both Emilio and Uli put on a show, but lost to AR who only showed a collection (and a rather drab one at that).

    But as said, the winner was known before the final runway show took place.
  27. skatesindreams

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    IMO, one of the reasons that the judges "preferred" AR is that he displayed an ongoing/developing aesthetic throughout the competition.
    They also know that he was at the point of giving up designing for lack of money.

    Uli and Emilio are older and more established than he was.
    I believe that they will have other opportunities offered them, even though they "lost" All-Stars.
  28. peibeck

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    Uli totally wuzrobbed... again! :mad:

    I did love the yellow/gray dress AR did, but most of his clothes don't do it for me. I don't really find anything about them to be young or contemporary, and most would not flatter anyone bigger than a size 8.

    I thought Emilo had a strong idea for a collection, but I don't really think the clothes reflected that concept particuarly well. And they styling was horrible. Those bows made the models look like they were channeling Madonna circa 1986.
  29. Cyn

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    I've been reading over at TWoP this morning, and the overwhelming consensus over there is that Uli wuzrobbed bigtime. Even those who were fans of AR who actually liked his Star Trek Enterprise Flight Attendant dresses are in agreement that Uli and Emilio both put out better collections and put on a better show.

    Regarding AR's dress (and all the Xerox copies of it), I'm still bumfuzzled at the idea that it was fresh and new, while at the same time saying that they'd seen Uli's look before :huh:. I'm pretty damned sure that I had a couple of dresses for work ( :rofl: :yikes: ) back in 1989 that were, if not identical, of such a strong resemblance in both the color blocking and the structure/shapes they'd have been mistaken as part of what AR sent down the runway. While watching his models on the catwalk, it hit me as to where I'd recently seen an outfit over the holidays that reminded me of his template:

    While not patterned with right angles/rectangles, and severe lines, I couldn't help but think of that black and white monstrosity of a dress worn by Julia Louis Dreyfus in the movie Christmas Vacation . Granted, instead of the harsh angles and stark, straight lines separating the colors in AR's art project, the black and white fabrics of JLD's Christmas Vacation dress came together in a god-awful curving, swirly cut that epitomized the sheer tackiness of late 80s women's fashion, but at the same time, seemed to share the same (atrocious) fashion DNA. I've been trying to find a picture or screen-cap of this fashion travesty, but to no avail (though if you've seen the movie, it was likely seared into your retinas :scream: ).

    ******

    In full disclosure, I haven't watched PR anywhere near as much since it moved to Lifetime from Bravo, especially after the ridiculous travesty that was the Season of the Wretch :scream:, but I was fortunate enough to witness the Amazing that was/is Dimitri for about half of his season. I missed the previous All-Star mini-seasons, so I don't really know how much fcukery went on with the judging/pre-ordained Chosen One(s) -- *note: I am operating under the assumption that it existed. That being said, I have read on a couple of other boards/responses following blog entries, etc., that Uli never stood a chance during this AS run -- she was basically selected for the role of "Bravo Era PR Token Representative" and was never intended to be a contender whatsoever.

    Is there any merit to this Konspiracy? :sekret: If so, that's an incredibly shitty thing to do (not that I'd be surprised if that was the case). I can only hope that with this mini-collection, Uli caught the attention of the likes of Balenciaga or another high-end fashion house.
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  30. madm

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    I loved Uli's workroom quip about creating the "Sasquatch" collection when someone asked what she was making with all the feathers and fur. :rofl:
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    I haven't been watching this season until the finale, but I loved Uli's collection. I thought it was beautiful and creative. For me, it put the two other collections to shame. Disappointed she didn't get the win but hope this will lead to great things for her.
  32. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    Speculation over at TLo is that no one who was on Bravo had a chance.
  33. cruisin

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    That may have been the PRAS logic. But, none of it is right. Imagine a skater getting first in a competition because they made the most improvement, but was not the best in the competition. His money issues are his issues.
  34. skatesindreams

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    True.
    However, I think the producers have a great deal of "say" in the outcome, whatever the reason - rightly, or wrongly.
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  36. aftershocks

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    Oh definitely, I thought Uli should have had the win in the finale. The judges seemed to really like a lot of her work during this season, even when some of us felt someone else should have won a challenge or two that she won. I was surprised she wasn't at least second, although I could tell that the judges have been in love with AR all season (plus the fact the producers made sure to keep in AR's admission that he really needed this win in order to continue as a designer -- at that point it was as if okay, he's definitely going to win). AR is talented, but he seemed to run out of ideas.

    I think Emilio deserved to win the couture challenge last week, not AR. But for the finale, I had mixed feelings about Emilio's collection. I agree with the poster who said that he had a good theme, but not enough time to execute it well. I also agree that his styling with the big red bows did not enhance the look of his collection. I also think he could have included a couple of other "ethnic" models, i.e., Asian and Hispanic perhaps, and still kept a majority of black models. There just seemed to be something missing in Emilio's theme of portraying working women/ Rosie the Riveter/ black working women. Rosie the Riveter I think is more associated with the American women in small towns and big cities who had to go to work during the 1940s because most of the able-bodied men were away at war. While honestly, black American women have always had to work, from southern plantation to urban plantation (which IMO is a different concept than Emilio's reference to Rosie the Riveter). I just don't think Emilio had enough time to fully flesh out his ideas.

    As the judges noted, there was something juniorish about Emilio's first look, and he did not have a final look that was a wow. Overall, Emilio's concept was rather ambitious, and he did not live up to his ambition. But, it seemed as if the judges were loathe to insult Emilio with a second runner-up placement. I guess the judges were caught betwixt and between because AR was their favorite all-stars designer, but Uli had the best final collection (although she didn't do well in the couture challenge), while Emilio was daring them with his colorful but not fully realized, nor well-executed "political statement." Personally, I don't think he was trying to make a political statement as much as he was trying to honor his mother's generation and express something dynamic re his personal aesthetic as a designer.

    I think AR's collection was okay, but as judges noted, there were lots of problems with the execution of his final look, and there was too much of a sameness, plus the dress lengths did not work well together, and he did not put on as good a show as Uli and Emilio (as others have already commented). It seemed to me that guest judge, Margerita Missoni, was in love with Uli's collection, did not like Emilio's, and was impressed with AR's first look, but not with his last poorly constructed look.

    Uli was obviously very disappointed, as she arguably should have won during her original season too. I agree re Isaac's "b*t*h-face" when Uli's models walked the runway -- everyone else seemed mesmerized I thought with Uli's dreamy collection. But, AR was the favorite all season (with Uli a close second it seemed during the season). The judges really did not have anything of substance to critique re Uli's collection. I don't see how they could say her collection wasn't unique. And the nitpicking about "afterthoughts," was such a nitpicky afterthought. :rolleyes:

    Josh was definitely pissed about not making the final, and in no way did he want to work on helping sew someone else's collection (despite his being friendly with AR during the season). The fact AR needed the win and the money just reminds me of Wretchen from season 8 who should never have won over Mondo. But AR is talented, and it is what it is.


    ETA:

    I looked up close at the collections on PR website's Rate the Runway (they don't let us get a good look during the actual televised runway show). I'm still very impressed by Uli's collection, especially completed within the time frame given (and with Casanova barely helping her at that!). Uli's was the most cohesive collection and the most fully realized concept, IMO. I think the makeup on her models worked well with the outfits, and each model looked fantastic with their makeup and what they were wearing -- it all came together in a dreamy compelling way.

    I think AR's first look was great and the printed fabric with color-blocked looks were good, but nothing else was that fantastic. I don't think his "Thin line" concept was fully realized either. Unfortunately, his first look should have been last, and his last outfit which was supposed to be a wow, was poorly constructed.

    Emilio's unique bodice looks were very good, and the red jumper was a cute, well-designed look. I also liked the jacket and dress for his last outfit, except it just wasn't a wow ending. I thought the jacket worked better than the suit look in similar fabric. Emilio's first dress was cute, but it actually didn't seem to fit his concept. The bows didn't give so much a sense of Aunt Jemima as they did Betty Boop. Both AR and Emilio received a couple of four-star ratings, but mostly three-stars, and rightly so. OTOH, everything Uli sent down the runway was gorgeous, and she received four stars for every look except her first look, which was rated five stars. So, with these viewer ratings, who were the PR judges fooling?
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  37. cruisin

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    Agree, it is the producers. But, it devalues the show when the producers do that.

    That is the one that is a total rip off of a MJ.

    I loved Uli's 1st and 3rd looks, would absolutely wear both.
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    I blame Issuck for this. AR's final collection looked like he was channeling Mila's aesthetic. Nothing was a 'wow'. I also think he was gifted many times throughout this season and should have been dumped for that craptastic military challenge outfit.

    Uli's FC was quite different and beautiful. She went away from the long flowing dress looks and did some spectacular work. Makeup was a bit too albino vampire for me, but I'll give her a pass.

    No clue what Emilio was thinking. Aunt Jemima meets Rosie the Riveter? The hell? :eek: His pattern piece was as bad as Josh's Paris flower disaster dress.
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    To tell the truth , I didn't like any of the final three's collections.
    I would have picked her to win because of her track record all season. She really is the best of the three.
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    Uli deserved that win, but the PTB have had their dewy fandom eyes gazing lovingly at Anthony Ryan since about the middle of the competition. He'd already been anointed the winner and no amount of brilliance from anyone else was going to change their minds. PLUS, he won the fan favorite vote and an extra payout for that. What?! Again, he isn't who I would have chosen.

    Honestly, I really hope Uli can get a job at a major fashion house if her own collections don't immediately take off. A Christian Siriano-type storyline would be great for her, but if that doesn't happen, I'd love to see her as a designer with someone else.