Project Runway 10 Starts Tonight

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by FiveRinger, Jul 19, 2012.

  1. PRlady

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    I liked the jacket too. :slinkaway

    Sort of Star Wars and I'm not saying I'd wear it, too theatrical. But I liked it. The fact that she's a first-class bitch is besides the point.

    I've been working in offices my whole life. The pants that went with that jacket were wearable, and so was Ven's outfit and Sanji's blue skirt. The colorblocked blue-and black dress was fine except for the cutouts in the back. Other than that....not really.
     
  2. cruisin

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    Not much of what went down the runway was office appropriate. I got away with more "out there" clothing, because I worked in advertising, but in general, it was just off.

    I did like Melissa's dress, but as soon as I saw it I thought gee: http://www.neimanmarcus.com/p/Arman...ements%3D&eItemId=prod145940219&cmCat=product I do not think it was an office dress. More of a cocktail dress.

    I was not impressed with the crotch fit on Alicia's pants.

    I find Elena's aesthetic to be interesting, but she goes a little too "Dynasty" 80's on some of her shoulders. She needs to reign it in a bit.

    Loved Dmitri's dress, I would wear it. But, not to work. As much as the cut out is subtle, it is not work appropriate (not even in advertising :lol:). No skin at the office.

    Sonjia's skirts were very nice, but nothing exciting.

    I thought Christopher did a really great job working with fabrics that were meh. I didn't love the sheer print. But, the cutting and matching he did on that skirt was amazing.

    Fabio's dress - ???? What is MK thinking? It looks like a sack. I'm 59 and it's too matronly (except for the length). And the fit is weird. It bunches up around the waist. Can't figure out how an oversized shape can do that. :confused:

    Gunnar's was a train wreck. But, clearly he was unhappy with the fabric choices. I was really surprised that he let the rest of the group run over him like that. He is usually more outspoken. And I give him credit for not making excuses.

    Nathan's outfit would be great for a cruise, but not an office. Again, no skin at the office - no one shoulder, no strapless, no tank tops without a jacket or sweater over them.

    First time I really didn't like Ven's. It was well made, except for the jacket hem. But, boring. He may just be a one-way monkey. :lol: I hope not, because he is so skilled.

    Raoul, hiddeous! I've seen blouses with pleated ruffles down the front that work, his did not. It was off center, didn't hit at the right place on the neckline. He went on and on about his Aesthetic, but couldn't even pull that off. And he's a jerk.

    As much as Elena is rude, she's got talent. But she really needs to tone down the bossiness. It is not attractive.
     
  3. my little pony

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    but heidi swears the cut outs are ok! she once visited an office for a photo shoot
     
  4. cruisin

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    :lol:
     
  5. Rogue

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    My thought was that he should have added a jacket, which could then be taken off when she went to Happy Hour after work.
     
  6. duane

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    Definitely. I think Team Six received the higher score, but the judges didn't want to declare them the winner because they wanted to get rid of Raul.

    Loved the dress, but totally agree. I couldn't think of any office setting in which I could see a woman wearing that dress.
     
  7. PRlady

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    I also agree, but you're in Philly and I'm in DC. Maybe in New York or London women in some fashion-forward industries, like advertising, would wear a dress like that to work.

    (I write this on a casual Friday in an already casual office. I'm wearing my "airplane" slacks which are one step up from sweatpants and a basic sleeveless top. Some office wear!)
     
  8. skatesindreams

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    Particularly, with the zipper!

    It was a discount store's idea of "designer dressing".

    I liked Ven's dress.
    I'm stunned by his ability to do such sophisticated, finished work in one day.
    Many would wish to be such a "one trick pony".

    The promo:

    He's not the only PR contestant to have difficulty treating a "plus-sized" client appropriately.
    Helping someone feel better about themselves may not matter on the runway; but, it is important in "real life".
    That's a big part of a designer's job; and something forgotten by most of them.

    Whatever happened, (to be seen) I hope he learned from it.

    I hope it doesn't "derail" him completely.
    He has a design "vision"; with the ability/skillset to back it up.
    Those are rare on PR,
     
  9. cruisin

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    Agree that there are a few industries where fashion forward works. As I said above, I got away with major trendy in advertising, in NYC. But, that dress was just too cocktail, even for a fashion forward industry (in my opinion), unless the woman has a dressy event afterward. I suppose, I got the impression that they wanted more of a generic work look. Not, high fashion, specific market. So, in that case, I think they missed the mark. I still liked and would wear the dress, however, just not to work :).

    And it's not just the designers. Some designers are finally designing for plus sized women. But, most department stores don't stock much. You have to buy them on line. Which means you can't try garments on for fit. And what the stores do carry, they put in the basement with housewares :mad:!

    I've gone shopping with a friend who is plus sized and it is really hurtful to have to shop in the basement, right next to the snack area. Like they think a plus sized woman can't be away from food long enough to shop :rolleyes:!

    I was in Bloomingdales, the other day. A woman came in, very upset. She came over to the register where I was chatting with a sales person who I am very fond of. We asked what was wrong and she told us: She was looking for a cocktail dress. She had gone to Neiman Marcus first. A salesperson went up to her and asked her if she needed help. She explained what she wanted. The sales person asked if she was looking for herself. She said yes. They told her that she should find another store. That Neiman doesn't have dresses for her size, they only go up to a 14. I felt awful for her. Apparently it was said very rudely. It could have been explained kindly. Can you imagine the nerve?
     
  10. TheGirlCanSkate

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    Ha ha! I guess I take it too seriously.

    :eek:

    I do think Ven does beautiful work and he drapes fabric well. It's just not inspiring or wearable for anyone over a size 8. Even an 8 is pushing it.

    I think Melissa is interesting - she continues to design wearable clothing that looks good. She has pushed out of everything black and while it's dramatic, it's not crazy dramatic.

    I did not understand the compliments on Fabio's dress. It wasn't attractive. At all. I can see is as a something a front desk clerk at a hotel's uniform - it would look okay at 200lbs and at 90lbs.
     
  11. my little pony

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    even if the judges likes the style (which i dont believe :sekret:), it was lumpy and bumpy and poorly sewn
     
  12. TheGirlCanSkate

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    Couture rarely went up to a 12 20 years ago - but 14 is standard now.

    I'm surprised at Neiman - usually they have a plus section and at the very least a personal shopper to order things online and have them for her to try on in a couple of days. Scary customer service!
     
  13. Rob

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    I didn't like Fabio's either - it rippled on the sides. Don't think the fit was great at all.

    Melissa's was interesting, Dmitri's dress was good without the cut outs, Sanji's skirts were nice. Not necessarily office wear. Too tight will draw the fashion police.

    Yuk on Alicia's crotch pants. And Raoul's shirts.

    Elena's normal jacket was beautiful. The big shoulders - meh.

    Chris's skirt looked like it was fraying a ton - no-one mentioned that.

    Ven's was nice. Liked the top better than the white skirt.

    I didn't mind Nathan's pants, but the top - no off the shoulder in the office. Sleeveless is ok if you have the arms for it and a jacket to throw over for meetings, but you'd get too cold with the airconditioning in most offices. And not low cut.

    Gunner's top was unflattering.
     
  14. cruisin

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    No plus department in Neiman Marcus or Saks, in Short Hills. Neither ever had one there. The plus sized department at Bloomingdales has gotten smaller, and they have dropped most of the higher end designers. The manager said that they just did not well well. The higher end designers are still available on line, but not in the stores. Macy's has the largest department, but most of it is matronly. Some of the smaller stores, like Ann Taylor and Chico's have better plus departments.

    I think that was deliberate. It gave the skirt texture.
     
  15. Aceon6

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    I kept scratching my head last night trying to figure out what planet the judges and designers were on. Work wear IS boring 99.44% of the time. It's clothing that has to be basic enough to wear over and over again. It's clothing that doesn't call attention to itself. Yes, one can look stylish, but it shouldn't be to the point that co-workers are doing double takes.

    I keep thinking about a dress code at a former employer "Shoulders must be covered. If the clothing requires special undergarments, it is not suitable for work."
     
  16. PRlady

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    Does Spanx count? :p
     
  17. Aceon6

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    Pre-Spanx policy. I'm sure they've re-written it by now. The impetus was a gal who showed up in a strapless mini tube dress. Yes, she had special underwear on, but there was nothing she could do to prevent the top from creeping down and the bottom from riding up. I guess it would have helped if she had purchased her size rather than two sizes smaller :eek:
     
  18. Rob

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    Except there were threads bunching up and sticking to the models hands when she walked. Would be incredibly annoying with office furniture.
     
  19. cruisin

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    That, I did not notice. I didn't love the skirt, just thought the fraying was a design element. I don't think the skirt was office appropriate, anyway.
     
  20. skatesindreams

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    ^^^
    The design idea was great.
    However, using that fraying silk made it impossible to execute it well.
    If the judges had had a close-up view, they wouldn't have liked it nearly as much.
     
  21. cruisin

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    Yes, there are ways to stop fraying beyond the point where you want it to. But, in one day challenges, I doubt he had what he needed for that.
     
  22. Rob

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    He would need outsourcing for that!
     
  23. cruisin

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    :lol:
     
  24. Nomad

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    I liked how Comrade Snape called Ven a "one-way monkey". I wish Frokemon hadn't quit - Raul wasn't worth bringing back.
     
  25. shan

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    Raul and Elena must have been :yikes: to work with. I don't think I remember a departing designer leave while saying "I hate you" to another. It was kind of strange....

    I love PR, but I hate it when I feel like I'm on a different planet than the judges. I was all :huh: when they raved about Fabio's dress. That and the print the team used were awful IMO. I found team 5 ultra boring.

    I noticed that we got to hear more from invisible Nathan. I wonder if that means he'll be going soon. I need to go back and look at his designs from previous weeks. I can't remember them, heck I can't even remember what he made this week.
     
  26. Nomad

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    I'm pretty sure that Nathan is runway chaff. Ditto Alicia and Fabio. And probably Comrade Snape as well, although I think he's better than he's being given credit for. His only missteps this week were the industrial zipper and the back cut-outs in an otherwise good design. It was far more work-appropriate than Melissa's dress.
     
  27. skatesindreams

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    That's what I didn't like about Melissa's dress.
    Nothing "work-appropriate" about it!
     
  28. Nomad

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    ^ Not at all. And I used to work for a clothing manufacturer with a *very* loose dress code. Melissa's dress would have raised eyebrows even among the fashionistas and wannabe trendsetters had someone shown up at the office wearing it.
     
  29. shan

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    I love Comrade Snapes!! I hope he can go far. His comment about Ven being a "one-way monkey" was :rofl:
     
  30. danceronice

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    We are five-minutes in and the designers are already making snide remarks to HEIDI in front of their "normal-people" clients (or rather the people who are playing Clinton and Stacy to their clients.) I swear, Heidi went into don't-make-me-come-down-there Mom Mode for minute. Oh, this is gonna be a train wreck of a normal-person challenge.