Project Runway 10 Starts Tonight

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  1. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    I question Heidi's "taste level", often.

    Sometimes, I wonder what the judges are seeing on the runway.
    Does a garment only need to look good for 30 seconds?
     
  2. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    And you should. Heidi's personal taste is pretty bad. Just look at what she wears every week - most of her outfits are Nina's definition of "cheap": short, tight, shiny. And I'm with Nina on that one. While I think it's great that Heidi's had four kids and is in her 40s but still has a slammin' bod, she needs to quit trying to compete with 25-year-olds. There are sexy outfits for women her age. Hire a friggin' stylist who can find them for you, Tante Heidi.
     
  3. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    I love Comrade Snape. I want him to be my next husband. And even though I hated Elena's attitude and her work most of this season, I was on her side this week. The real-life doll twist was stupid and manipulative and unnecessary. I laughed out loud when Elena introduced her "baby" with "Her name is A$$hole. Here she is." I probably would have done the same under the circumstances. Although I knew she was doomed the minute she said she had to create something "fun and playful" for a baby. Not her thing at all.
     
  4. duane

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    This was one of the best runway shows. The kids were SO cute. The child Sonjie had was SOOO adorable! That kid stole the show on the runway.
     
  5. PDilemma

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    I think they have photos to refer back to later in the judging. Sometimes you can see them when they are having their little on camera judging discussion. And the "chatting with the designers" with the models on the runway goes on for much longer than is shown, so they have another opportunity to see the designs then.
     
  6. Nomad

    Nomad Well-Known Member

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    From Laura Bennett's PR blog:

    You have to remember that what Heidi refers to as “this week's challenge” is really “this day's challenge.” The shooting schedule for the show doesn’t allow days off in between the challenges. The designers are woken early in the morning, sometimes as early as 4:00 am. If you pay close attention to the morning scenes you will notice that it’s still dark outside. They are taken to Parsons or some other location to be given the details of their next challenge. They shop at Mood then begin sewing sometime in the afternoon. If it is a one-day challenge, they stop sewing at midnight, do interviews (the clips you see throughout the show) then get to bed at about 2:00am. The next morning they usually have two hours to finish, fit, and send their models to the L’Oreal hair and makeup room. The actual runway segment of the show starts filming at about noon and lasts to 8:00 pm. It’s long, hot (no air conditioning that would interfere with the sound) and emotionally draining because you never know if you are the one on the chopping block. When the segment is finished being filmed, the designers change their clothes, and meet Heidi back on the runway to get the wacky hint about the next challenge. Then the entire process starts over. No breaks. No down time. No time to recover. It’s hard.
     
  7. PDilemma

    PDilemma Well-Known Member

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    Heidi turned 39 in June. Not quite in her 40s yet.

    If she is happy with what she wears, more power to her. She did make one comment this season about it that indicated that she knows her style is not for everyone (describing her dress as a "pink disco ball"). I don't think women should be given arbitrary style rules based on their age. For example, I know plenty of 20 year olds who should be saying no to the skinny jeans and a few 40 year olds who can rock them.
     
  8. cruisin

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    True, I'm 59 and look better in skinny jeans the in other styles. My hips are so narrow and my butt so flat, that other styles make my hips look even smaller. That said, I still think Heidi could go a bit more elegant.
     
  9. Fergus

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    I'm just watching it now.

    :wideeyes:

    Wow, Christopher is a :saint: b/c that woman and I would have had to step outside for a minute.

    Only 1/2 way thru now...... :watch:
     
  10. Allen

    Allen Glad to be back!

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    Right? I probably would have went to jail in that situation!
     
  11. Fergus

    Fergus Well-Known Member

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    Melissa :huh: What's the deal? In the words of the great Latrice Royale: "Good God, get a grip, girl".

    Dmitry, Christopher, & Fabio need their own show.
     
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  12. Nomad

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    The only thing that saved Melissa was that Elena quit being a raging psycho-bitch, so the producers had no further use for her.
     
  13. Matryeshka

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    I really wish I could have seen Elena do this challenge, but Melissa totally justified being kept by her outfit tonight. I thought it was dreadful until I saw it all together on the runway and then I thought it was fabulous. Actually, I thought most of them were much better than I expected them to be.

    I kind of agree with Sonji leaving--she was my pick for the final three on the first episode, but it does feel like the light has gone out of her for most of the past few challenges. And her dress was the only one I didn't like or find something redeeming in. All I could think was, trailer trash mermaid.

    Really impressed with Zoe Soldana. And for the first time in at least three seasons, I've agreed with Ninagahcia and Michael Disco Ball Kors over Heidi. I have no idea what she was watching like Sonjie's outfit. :yikes:
     
  14. PRlady

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    Zoe was one tough critic. :eek:

    It was clear to me that Christopher and Dmitri are the stars of this season. I don't get Fabio, never have, and Melissa is hit or miss. (And I hated tonight's avant-garde look although to be fair those colors were pretty awful to work with.)

    Last time L'Oreal introduced a new line this way I actually bought some. :shuffle:
     
  15. all_empty

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    My god there were some ugly dresses tonight. I wish they made it a straight couture challenge -- remember all the stunning dresses from Jeffrey and Laura's season?

    Dimitry had far and away the best look. Definitely could've done without the vampire choker collar though. Glad they brought up his candy dress.

    I agreed with Heidi on Melissa's dress and Michael and Nina on Sonjia's. U-G-L-Y.

    Melissa recycled her high collar yet again and the print on the skirt was so cheap looking. Didn't love the blue leather vest either. Frankly, her whole only black vibe doesn't impress me ... Mila did it so much better.

    I like Sonjia but that dress did look like a bad skating costume. Way too much illusion fabric that bunched even on her super skinny model. Wish she had the gold lame, but I still think she would've been aufed.

    My dream three would've been Chris, Dmitry and Elena.
     
  16. aftershocks

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    Generally agree with you, PRLady, and also with many of your comments too Matryeshka.

    all_empty, it really would have been interesting re your dream three. I think Elena has a lot of talent but she didn't work well under the PR format. It is ironic how she got by with some bad outfits during the season but was auf'ed for a not too bad baby outfit. I believe Elena's Final Collection did make a great impact for a runway show, and I really wonder what the judges thought of it. Too bad they don't have the judges at least eventually discuss online or in a wrap-up show the Final Collections of designers who don't make the top three.

    Interesting that the judges conflicted slightly on likes and dislikes for the avant garde challenge. I guess not surprising that they decided to let four designers duke it out for final three.

    Sonjia had some very good looks this season (at least 3 wins), but I agree that she doesn't seem to have a signature style and she had some misses too during the season. She took going home in stride (maybe because she did have a chance to put a show on the runway, tho' it won't be seen by tv viewers). I didn't think her avant garde outfit was that bad (tho' the mesh was odd and it didn't match the model's skin color). Also the green color and some of the design details perhaps made it seem a bit tacky. Heidi probably liked it because of the sexy fit. :lol:

    I love Dimitri, and I'm happy he won the final challenge. He has a lot of talent, wit, great construction skills, and a well-balanced personality. I wish he would win the whole shebang, but it will probably be Chris (based on the Final Collections I've seen). Hard to know tho' because seeing slides on the Internet is not the same as actually seeing the models/ designs in the full runway show, or at least seeing the models move down the runway on tv.

    I agree with the judges' re Chris' avant garde outfit (he overdid it), but the judges do hold him in high esteem. Fabio had an interesting jacket, but the rest was boring. I don't think he's as strong a designer overall as either Melissa or Sonjia, but perhaps he has a stronger aesthetic than Sonjia. Melissa's avant garde outfit was one of the better ones for this challenge, but I agree with the judges re her skirt length. I do think the final five were the best designers of the season, altho' Elena and Ven are also very talented.
     
  17. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    A deserved "top two"; although I hope that Dmitry wins the whole thing.

    Dmitry's look was beautifully constructed.
    Very fashion-forward and sophisticated; yet not so "far-out" as to be unwearable.
    How/why the judges call him a "one note" designer; when they claim to want winners with skill, a POV, and the ability to construct a cohesive collection, I can't understand.

    The only piece of Melissa's look that I liked was the leather jacket.

    I don't find Fabio avant-garde at all.
    Most of the time, he seems confused, with sloppy execution.
    Even the jacket they raved about was a "mistake".

    Sonjia's dress might have worked in a different fabric.
    That particular fabric, with the mesh that didn't match the skintone of the model, looked "tacky", not what she was aiming for.
     
  18. manleywoman

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    I think if it had been in the gold fabric she lost, it would have been 180 degrees better. That green looked like napkins and tablecloths, as Kors pointed out.
     
  19. TheGirlCanSkate

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    Do you think we will see Christopher's feathered arms on the next Black Swan skating costume?
     
  20. aftershocks

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    Agree with most of your viewpoints, especially re the judges' clueless comments re hoping Dimitri would not bring "the same designs one after the other down the runway"! Dimitri definitely has range and versatility, and he has shown it. Perhaps earlier on in the challenges he kept it simple with beautifully constructed dresses as a strategy because of the limited time/ nature of the competition. In any case, every one of Dimitri's dresses were wearable works of art! He has a lot of style and sensitivity! Dimitri really made the show a hit for me this season. Even as the judges gave Dimitri the win for the final challenge, they were dissing him!?

    Laura Bennett's blog is eye-opening -- much worse than I imagined. It's a wonder these designers have any energy left to be inspired and imaginative enough to put together anything for a runway show.

    ITA! The gold fabric really looked beautiful. Strange about Sonjia not making sure her main fabric of choice was in her bag when she left Mood.
     
  21. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    I doubt it was even rung up. If it had been, I suspect the producers would have made sure it got to her. Given the time constraint to get to the register, she may have left it at the cutting table. If she did, that was her mistake.
     
  22. danceronice

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    Except...that was the avant-garde challenge. It wasn't SUPPOSED to be wearable. I thought they all were pretty 'meh' on that mark (remember that dress from the season with Chris March with the GIGANTIC collar? THAT was avant garde.) If you're supposed to go for crazy, go for crazy, not a rejected costume design from Resident Evil. Dmitry could have gone WAY bigger and in something other than navy blue.

    I had to give the "black swan" the win (if the judges think THAT'S Victorian, they all fail fashion history FOREVER) as it was the only design that even tried to be outre without looking cheap. In fact I liked it from the minute she hit the pose behind the scrim--yes, there was an element of 'Charlize in 'Snow White and the Huntsman' but at least he was trying. I like Sonjia's IDEA, but it never quite came together. I did not get the love for Melissa's--it looked cheap and thrown-together and while I see where she got the colors from the makeup, they made no sense to me as-used. Fabio's reminded me of a weirdly covered-up take on April ("Bobek") and her black hot pants aesthetic.

    ETA: I looked up Dmitry on dancesportinfo--he either never competed at a level where they'd track it, or his name's spelled differently.
     
  23. skatesindreams

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    Too many designers interpret/define avant-garde as weird.
    What I liked about Dmitry's look is that he didn't...and it wasn't.
     
  24. susan6

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    That was a great season, and that set of designers knew avant garde. Chris March and Christian Siriano were teamed up and Chris brought the huge almost-drag collar and Christian brought the miles of fabric (and their model even brought the avant garde pose). If I recall correctly, Jillian and her partner made a jacket that was amazing.

    I love me some Dmitry, but he should have gone bigger for this challenge. Dude, you had "wise mystic", throw some flowing robes on that b*tch! Kors was right, he's too "severe". (Which probably means the judges are secretly referring to him as Severus Snape, much like the rest of the internet.)
     
  25. Fergus

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    IMHO, they need to get rid of the avant-garde challenges, as very few designers each season can actually grasp the concept and make something that is indeed a-v. (Or perhaps try it earlier in the season, to really separate the neophytes from the pros? I dunno......)

    Fabio's jacket was conceptually interesting, though completely unflattering. The underdress was just creepy and sad.

    I like Melissa's outfit when it finally got to the runway and it moved beautifully....but a-v? You could basically find that stuff already at Barney's.

    Dmitry and Christopher clearly had the best designs of the episode......but again, a-v? Hmmmmm.....

    Sonjia. :( LOVE her personality, greatly respect her passion for design, but that green ensemble was God-awful hideous. :yikes: Michael was VERY snippy in his judgment, but he was right about the haphazard placement of the boob-napkins and the illusion back that just harshly cuts right across at the waist.
     
  26. duane

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    This is what I thought right when his outfit hit the runway. I don't think anyone would know this was an avant-garde challenge looking at most of the designs, but especially Dmitry's.
     
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  27. aftershocks

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    Earlier on the judges said Dimitri was too conservative, now he's too severe. I disagree re too severe, except for the eye makeup he used on his Runway Collection models. :confused: In any case, Dimitri may have taken the criticisms to heart and unfortunately edged toward "trashy" re a couple of his final runway designs. But still I love him and his work this season.
     
  28. PRlady

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    Well, I thought Dmitri wuzrobbed on the Lord & Taylor episode, certainly should have won, and I was completely tied on the Rockettes episode. So I'm pulling for him now, but apparently his runway collection (from what I remember) was not as stellar.

    It reminds me of Viktor, whom I thought was the clear winner all through his season, particularly the last six or so challenges, and then came up short with his final collection.
     
  29. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    The judges send too many mixed messages to the designers.
    I wonder sometimes if they really understand some of the concepts/tasks the contestants are expected to execute.
     
  30. aftershocks

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    ^^ ITA, skatesindreams. And yep PRLady, I agree there were several challenges Dimitri should have won or at least been in the top three and he was declared "safe" instead. Anyway "coming up short" does seem to happen to a lot of designers who appear to be the clear winners during the season.

    Mychael Knight in season 3 comes to mind. Also, Korto in season 5 (altho' Korto did create an excellent collection, she lost in the end to Leanne). I think the difficulties some top designers experience in creating a great runway show are partly due to the intense criticism they receive throughout the series in addition to the wearying, time-limited nature of the challenges, particularly as described in Laura Bennett's blog.

    In season 8, Gretchen should have lost to Mondo. ;)