Project Runway 10 Starts Tonight

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  1. Aceon6

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    I doubt it was even rung up. If it had been, I suspect the producers would have made sure it got to her. Given the time constraint to get to the register, she may have left it at the cutting table. If she did, that was her mistake.
  2. danceronice

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    Except...that was the avant-garde challenge. It wasn't SUPPOSED to be wearable. I thought they all were pretty 'meh' on that mark (remember that dress from the season with Chris March with the GIGANTIC collar? THAT was avant garde.) If you're supposed to go for crazy, go for crazy, not a rejected costume design from Resident Evil. Dmitry could have gone WAY bigger and in something other than navy blue.

    I had to give the "black swan" the win (if the judges think THAT'S Victorian, they all fail fashion history FOREVER) as it was the only design that even tried to be outre without looking cheap. In fact I liked it from the minute she hit the pose behind the scrim--yes, there was an element of 'Charlize in 'Snow White and the Huntsman' but at least he was trying. I like Sonjia's IDEA, but it never quite came together. I did not get the love for Melissa's--it looked cheap and thrown-together and while I see where she got the colors from the makeup, they made no sense to me as-used. Fabio's reminded me of a weirdly covered-up take on April ("Bobek") and her black hot pants aesthetic.

    ETA: I looked up Dmitry on dancesportinfo--he either never competed at a level where they'd track it, or his name's spelled differently.
  3. skatesindreams

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    Too many designers interpret/define avant-garde as weird.
    What I liked about Dmitry's look is that he didn't...and it wasn't.
  4. susan6

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    That was a great season, and that set of designers knew avant garde. Chris March and Christian Siriano were teamed up and Chris brought the huge almost-drag collar and Christian brought the miles of fabric (and their model even brought the avant garde pose). If I recall correctly, Jillian and her partner made a jacket that was amazing.

    I love me some Dmitry, but he should have gone bigger for this challenge. Dude, you had "wise mystic", throw some flowing robes on that b*tch! Kors was right, he's too "severe". (Which probably means the judges are secretly referring to him as Severus Snape, much like the rest of the internet.)
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    IMHO, they need to get rid of the avant-garde challenges, as very few designers each season can actually grasp the concept and make something that is indeed a-v. (Or perhaps try it earlier in the season, to really separate the neophytes from the pros? I dunno......)

    Fabio's jacket was conceptually interesting, though completely unflattering. The underdress was just creepy and sad.

    I like Melissa's outfit when it finally got to the runway and it moved beautifully....but a-v? You could basically find that stuff already at Barney's.

    Dmitry and Christopher clearly had the best designs of the episode......but again, a-v? Hmmmmm.....

    Sonjia. :( LOVE her personality, greatly respect her passion for design, but that green ensemble was God-awful hideous. :yikes: Michael was VERY snippy in his judgment, but he was right about the haphazard placement of the boob-napkins and the illusion back that just harshly cuts right across at the waist.
  6. duane

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    This is what I thought right when his outfit hit the runway. I don't think anyone would know this was an avant-garde challenge looking at most of the designs, but especially Dmitry's.
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  7. aftershocks

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    Earlier on the judges said Dimitri was too conservative, now he's too severe. I disagree re too severe, except for the eye makeup he used on his Runway Collection models. :confused: In any case, Dimitri may have taken the criticisms to heart and unfortunately edged toward "trashy" re a couple of his final runway designs. But still I love him and his work this season.
  8. PRlady

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    Well, I thought Dmitri wuzrobbed on the Lord & Taylor episode, certainly should have won, and I was completely tied on the Rockettes episode. So I'm pulling for him now, but apparently his runway collection (from what I remember) was not as stellar.

    It reminds me of Viktor, whom I thought was the clear winner all through his season, particularly the last six or so challenges, and then came up short with his final collection.
  9. skatesindreams

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    The judges send too many mixed messages to the designers.
    I wonder sometimes if they really understand some of the concepts/tasks the contestants are expected to execute.
  10. aftershocks

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    ^^ ITA, skatesindreams. And yep PRLady, I agree there were several challenges Dimitri should have won or at least been in the top three and he was declared "safe" instead. Anyway "coming up short" does seem to happen to a lot of designers who appear to be the clear winners during the season.

    Mychael Knight in season 3 comes to mind. Also, Korto in season 5 (altho' Korto did create an excellent collection, she lost in the end to Leanne). I think the difficulties some top designers experience in creating a great runway show are partly due to the intense criticism they receive throughout the series in addition to the wearying, time-limited nature of the challenges, particularly as described in Laura Bennett's blog.

    In season 8, Gretchen should have lost to Mondo. ;)
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    Mila Hermanovski weighs in on her PR blog:

    "What did actually happen to Sonjiaʼs gold fabric? When we select fabric at Mood, we pay for it, the Mood cashier bags it, and then the producers take all our bags away from us and bring them to Parsons, where they are given back to us. Just sayinʼ..."

    If Sonjia had left that gold fabric on the cutting table, there would have been a brief close-up of it lying there after she walked away, I'm sure.

    Elena also "lost" some fabric earlier this season, as I recall - the Rockettes challenge? And both times, neither designer had a receipt to refer back to like Kenley when her tulle didn't get put in the bag, allowing her to go back to Mood and get the tulle. I think the producers remove the receipts (and fabric if they want to sabotage a designer) between Mood and Parsons.
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  12. PRlady

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    Just a note for those of you who like to play with makeup: the Enchanted Queen colors are :swoon: for when you need a dramatic look. Actually the lipstick would work every day, the eyeshadow needs to be saved for night.
  13. succubus

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    Unless you're me, who still channels Siouxsie Sioux. Even in a business suit.
  14. PRlady

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    OK, so who didn't see that coming? ;)

    I couldn't have picked who to boot off either, and besides I like all four of those designers as people. (And they seem to like each other, too, the bitchy comments were really at a minimum.)

    As usual, I don't get Fabio and can't figure out who would really wear these shapeless clothes. Melissa's stuff I would wear if I were 30 years younger and Chris' I would pass on to my much edgier friend, but Dmitri's white dress I want right now...
  15. skatesindreams

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    The only collection of the four that I love is Dmitry's.

    He should feel great about Tim's critique.
    That man has taste, style, and sophistication; most importantly he acknowledges/appreciates it in others.
    The judges seem part of a different universe, IMO.

    What was Fabio thinking?
    No matter the hand-dyed fabric: the concept and resulting outfits are terrible.
  16. cruisin

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    No surprise. I couldn't pick one to boot either. I don't get Fabio's clothes either, but I appreciate the creativity. I was surprised that Dimitri didn't get called out on the white dress, that it was so much like the black one he did for a challenge. But, I did love the white dress and would totally wear it! The judges just usually make that sort of comment. I thought is was a mistake for Melissa to do two shorts outfits. One pair was way too short! Loved the leather jacket, though - would wear that too! I thought Chris' was too blah for him. I have a feeling that the rest of his collection will be more true to his style, and that's why they kept him.

    Agree, but what universe? :lol:
  17. my little pony

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    i could have easily booted fabio. maybe it is creative but it looks really cheap like a theme collection from chico's.
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  18. cruisin

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    It odes have a Chico's vibe! You nailed it!
  19. Rogue

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    I think the only reason they didn't boot Fabio was because his was the only collection (at least what they saw) with any color in it and they wanted some diversity on the final show. But since they couldn't boot him, they had to let everyone stay.
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    Plans were probably to get rid of Melissa or Fabio, but Christopher the chosen one showed 2 skank shorts outfits and the judges were stuck. Can't auf the golden boy and keep "Ropes" when Heidi loved his stuff.

    Seriously - X-RAYS? Couldn't he find another way to honor his mom? Or were her bloodwork results still at the lab? :p

    Fabio's stuff was total mid 80's Miami Vice bo ho wear.

    Loved Snape's dress, hated the mesh top.

    Melissa's wigs were total :rofl: but I liked pieces of her collection.
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    Judging by what we saw when Tim was with him, I can't wait to see Dmitry's complete collection.
    It's a shame that he had to choose his three looks according to what could be fitted on the models, in a rush.

    Fabio's collection looked like a throwback to a Hippie's "bad trip".
    A "cosmic nightmare", IMO.
    I've never seen what the judges are so excited about.
    His construction skills are lacking.
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    Fabio's collection screamed Miami Vice to me. The neck pieces and purses looked like craft projects. I'm completely baffled by the praise.
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    He doesn't know that's it's all been done before, I guess.
  25. cruisin

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    :lol:The necklaces reminded me of those plastic needle point kits!
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    :lol: I think the judges, producers, Tim, and other contestants love Fabio's mellow personality, and he does have some creative skills. Like many here, tho' I'm not that into him or his designs that much either.

    As much as I love love love Dimitri, I still have to say he has missed the mark a bit with his collection. Again, I think all the top designers are so burnt out by the last challenge that five weeks to prepare a Fashion Week collection really means nothing. They probably needed more than half that time just to rest and recuperate rather than trying to rack their exhausted designer brains and creativity to come up with something unique, cohesive, and kickin' fabulous for a runway show. OTOH, Ven and Elena had a lot more time to rest and come up with something more attention-grabbing if nothing else than to give the finger to the PR judges and to gain some cred and foothold in the design industry (especially since no one knows who actually made it to PR top 3 or 4, when the 8 final collections are presented during Fashion Week).

    I am spoiled of course having already peeked more than once at the Final Collections. But even just on the basis of this week's show, Wow, what were Fabio and Melissa thinking re those horrendous wigs their models were wearing!? Thankfully, they both ditched the wigs, I believe, for Fashion Week. Melissa's initial offering is actually worse than what she ends up with finally. She definitely brought in more color. I'm not sure what Fabio did to tweak his collection and make it look more expensive on the runway. I thought his colors and fabrics were pretty, but too one-note and ultimately nothing special.

    All four top designers I suppose were lucky that none of them hit a home run in the Pt. 1 final analysis, so the judges were stumped and had them all come back to compete for the whole shebang. Despite the fact I didn't like Elena's and Ven's personalities, if they were going to have top 4 compete at Fashion Week, IMO, it should have been Dimitri, Chris, Elena, and Ven. Tho' I don't think we would have seen the exact same lucky huggy four hug at the end of Pt. 1 finals. ;)

    I shook my head at all the top 4 when Tim was encouraging them to put their best forward. Like the judges' commented, What up with all the excuses? Why did any of them think they needed to hold back on their best pieces!? I was particularly aghast at Chris' skimpy shorts and skankier shorts. Why didn't he want to show the judges his showstopper dress?? I think Chris' x-ray fabric was cool, as was the distressed leather, but his collection also lacks color. Altho' since he is a favorite of the judges, Chris may well win in the end.

    I think Dimitri could have hit a home run with his talent and construction skills, but the judges are right: His styling is awful. And the heavy brow treatment he ends up with later on is mind-boggling, especially after the judges in Pt. 1, prodded him to rework his styling for youthful appeal. I also am not in love with Dimitri's color palette for his final collection. I particularly do not like his sheer see-through tops. The white pants are well-made and well-designed, but don't pair well with that top. I also like the dress, but lack of good styling doesn't give it the impact it could have. The jacket is gorgeous but not paired with the sheer top, etc.

    I really wish we could have some inkling in a wrap-up show or article re what the PR judges actually think of Ven's and Elena's final collections. I suppose PR protocol will prohibit any insider critiques of auf'ed contestants.
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    I think they need a stylist on the team to guide them for the finale challenges
    Design and presentation are two distinct skills.

    When you have only a short time on the runway to make an impression and every glance can "make or break" your chances, they need someone to advise; as Tim does, before the final showing.
  29. cruisin

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    I think they should hire us! :)
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    I believe I could do more for them than some of the people they have.
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    I'm not getting some of the love for Christopher here. His work is just okay. In fact, none of the remaining designers really are all that fabulous. They're all...just okay.

    These last few seasons have produced a startling array of mediocre designers.

    I still remember when Jay blew my socks off in his season 1 runway show. And Korto...and Laura Bennett...and Uli...and oh Jesus basically everybody before Wretchen Grannypants.

    I'm very bummed about this show.
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    There's a reason why we haven't heard much from some of the "winners" of PR.
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    ^^ Right you are succubus. I think generally PR seasons 1 - 5 were the best and it started to go down in overall quality and excitement after that. I actually never finished watching all of PR 6, I got so turned off by the inaccurate auf'ing and generally underwhelming challenge outcomes. I barely saw any of PR 7, but I did come back for PR 8 (and I'm glad I did just for the experience of witnessing Mondo -- but not Gretchen), and PR All Stars II. I don't even remember who won PR 9 at this point.

    I do think Dimitri is ultimately the best of the bunch in PR 10. Too bad PR doesn't allow help with styling tips. As I said before, I think they need to rethink anyway how they judge the final 8. Maybe final four should be picked from what Final 8 prepare for Final Collections.

    Fabio and Melissa, IMO, were not up to snuff ultimately. Elena did not do well during the season's challenges, but she was clearly talented and hungry. The judges perhaps kept her in as long as they did because the producers love the drama. Ultimately tho', it seems as if Elena gave the best runway show in terms of thematics and entertainment value, not necessarily in terms of range.
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  34. PRlady

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    Didn't Anya win last season? She had nice stuff but it all looked like a mid-price resort collection. Wearable but not wow.

    I didn't tune into PR until the Sasha dress episode :shuffle: when I was alerted by FSU, so I guess I missed the first two seasons. There have been flashes of brilliance but this is not the way the next great designer is going to be discovered. It's just fun TV.
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    ^^ Oh yes, right, Anya! I did watch PR 9. :shuffle:


    Actually, the Sasha episode was in Season 2, and I think that may be how I got tuned in as well, and then I was hooked. I loved Santino (despite his crazy skating outfit), and Andre, et al. The following Season 3 was the absolute best!
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    I think the Sasha dress episode was one of the worst. Maybe because, being a skating person, I know what skating dresses are supposed to look like. They had no clue. And had no idea how to stone them.
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    ^^ Yeah, possibly you could describe that as one of the "worst challenge result episodes," but season 2 overall was definitely a defining one for PR that helped garner viewers, ratings, and buzz.
  38. my little pony

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    YES!

    that's where i've seen it. and a rather unwelcome blast from the past it is too.

    the photos from my formative years are so depressing
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    I'd love garanimals for adults to return. :lol:
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    Well, in fairness, if time's as short as the blogs from past contestants indicate, even if they knew how to stone, even with a skating dress (which overall just doesn't have as many as your average ballroom gown) doing it right would eat up a TON of their time It boggles my mind how the judges will sometimes pick on how a particular more 'crafter' detail is poorly finished and I'm just thinking "So they created a design, made the pattern/pieces, cut everything, created and fitted a garment, fixed any problems that arose when the design went from paper to 3D, had to finish all the fussy bits that you have to fix to make the clothes look finished...judges, YOU go do that and complain about everything not being faultlessly finished like a production sale piece."