Pride & Prejudice: your favorite version?

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  1. emason

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    I just remember the godawful leer that Donald Sutherland gives Brenda Blethyn at the end. The Bennet parents enjoying conjugal bliss - not! Austen makes that quite clear in the book.

    Another wholehearted vote for Persuasion - the most perfect little jewel box of a movie.
  2. KHenry14

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    BTW, I can't think of another book/movie comparison that evokes such emotion in people. FSU is a good example of how people line up on all sides and hold their opinion so dearly. And in a way, that's a good thing.

    I also forgot to mention that the 1940 version always bothered me because the costumes are just so wrong. Didn't anyone looks a pictures from that era before they filmed the movie?
  3. Wyliefan

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    That really bothers me too. I saw one of the actresses talking about it on TCM. She said that the director or producer or someone, I forget who, loved the visual of Mrs. Bennet billowing along like a ship in full sail with all her daughters following, and couldn't get the same effect with those nightgown-like dresses that would have been truer to the period. But the costumes always yank me right out of that film whenever I try to watch it.
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    Yes, but I think that the costumes were chosen because the crinoline era look was so much more extravagant (what with enormous skirts and sleeves) than the restrained muslin empire-waisted dresses of the earlier era.
  5. danceronice

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    My all-time favorite Austen film! I don't think Amanda Root was TOO much older (Anne is 27 in the book). Ciaran Hinds might be a trace old for Wentworth, though since he's a Captain he can't be TOO young. Everything worked, costumes/sets/casting/pacing, the whole deal. I really didn't like the new version, which felt like it was just constantly trying too hard.

    And I'll take the BBC version of P&P. The sloppy house and clothes and hair isn't period for a family of the Bennets' class, and the story (by necessity) is compressed but not well.

    No, the costumes were chosen because the studio had them left over (from Gone With the Wind in most cases) and had zero money to make new ones, so they went with what they had.
  6. Vash01

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    Definitely Ehle/Firth version.

    I hated the Keira Knightly version. The modernization of the story did not fit well. P&P is a classic, and should not be tampered with, JMO.

    I liked Jennifer Ehle's Elizabeth. She came across as proud, intelligent, and vulnerable at the same time.

    I did not like Knightly's pouting Elizabeth. I could not believe she got an Oscar nomination for that role. She is not a bad actress; she has some good performances in other movies, just not in this one.


    Colin Firth is the best Mr. Darcy ever.
  7. emason

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    Another thing I couldn't get past in the Keira K. version is just how bad her posture is; for a strong independent Lizzie she sure slumps over and sticks her head and neck forward a lot - just ugh. Sit up straight, girl; your posture is worse than mine and that is saying something.
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  8. Tesla

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    Here's another vote for the 1995 version of Persuasion. I love that movie. I wanted to like the new version but they ruined it with the running scene in Bath.

    I like the Emma Thompson version of S&S, but the new version just feels more authentic and open. It seems to have all the details of the book. Plus, the actress who portrays Elinor is so expressive with her face.
  9. Wyliefan

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    I vastly prefer the Amanda Root version of Persuasion as well. So nice to find fellow fans! Sometimes people talk like the newer version is the only one out there.
  10. dinakt

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    1995 BBC version of "Pride and Prejudice" for me, hands down. I actually envision Elizabeth EXACTLY like Jennifer Ehle played her. That combination of brains, reserve and humor. I like everybody in 1995 version, Jane, Bingley, Mr. Collins etc. included ( and young Firth... no contest).
    I generally like Keira Knightly, but I don't see her as Lizzie Bennett.
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  11. cailuj365

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    As well as with the rather unattractive climactic kiss. :yikes: There's a moment where a little Hollywood touch would not have been unwanted. Haven't seen the 1995 version of Persuasion yet, but now it's on my to-see list!


    Has anyone seen the newer BBC adaptation of Emma starring Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller? I thought it was really charming and splendid, but I haven't watched the Gwyneth Paltrow movie to compare.
  12. A.H.Black

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    Persuasion was originally a movie in the theater - I saw it there. Later it was shown on Masterpiece Theater. Here is a promo for it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4T5dl1isp8

    The person who uploaded the promo also has links to a 12 part, 1971, version of Persuasion that I have not seen.
  13. PDilemma

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    Exactly.

    And I just do not like Keira Knightley in anything. She also didn't seem to have the slightest understanding of the book. I recall an article at the time where she described the Bennets as a happy and loving family. No way. There was all sorts of dysfunction going on there starting with the parents' miserable marriage and their blatant favoritism with their daughters.
  14. Nomad

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    I don't think this is true. In 1940 MGM was the #1 studio in Hollywood. Pride and Prejudice was an A movie with a big budget. The costumes Walter Plunkett designed for Gone with the Wind were based on styles from the 1860s/70s. The costumes Adrian designed for Pride and Prejudice were based on styles from the 1830s. I don't remember whose decision it was - producer Hunt Stromburg, director Robert Z. Leonard, Adrian, or some combination of the three - but it was felt that the styles of the 1810s lacked the flamboyant feeling they wanted for the movie. Which to me sounds far more believable given Hollywood's general disregard for historical accuracy when it came to costumes for period pieces.
  15. mag

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    I think this is what bugged me the most (next to her posture!) She just didn't seem to become Lizzie, where Jennifer E was exactly they way I expected Lizzie to be. Colin Firth as Darcy, well what can I say? :swoon:
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    I love and watch and watch again the BBC version. BUT, my most fave adaptation is Bride & Prejudice. It's so silly; it is quite wonderful.
  17. Tinami Amori

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    Great recap!

    I am more comfortable (for some reason) with BBC/1995 version but like the 2005 as well.

    Both versions have various pluses and minuses. 1995 seems to stay closer to Victorian times. In the 2005 film Keira Knightly is a transplant from another time. She should be playing the leading role in “Lost in Austen”…

    The last scene in the US release (which is different from the UK release) “What endearments am I allowed, Mrs. Darcy” is completely out of place and “out of time”.
    ELIZABETH: Well, let me think. ‘Lizzy’ for every day. ‘My pearl’ for Sundays, and ‘Goddess Divine,’ but only on very special occasions.

    UK version of the 2005 film ends with Mr. Bennet giving his approval to the marriage and ends the film with:

    MR BENNET: If any young men come for Mary or Kitty then for Heaven’s sake send them in. I am quite at my leisure.
    The best ending of all is in the 1980 version..


    But I'll take ANY P&P existing versions, starting 1940’s over other shows/movies we are stuck with on TV...
  18. mag

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  19. IceAlisa

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    Me too! I love it, have it on my iPod. This would be such a typical Csizny program.

    Does anyone know how to get a hold of the music score for Dawn for piano?
  20. nubka

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    I've seen it, but my favorite adaptation is the A&E version with Kate Beckinsale as Emma. That version really brings in the Frank Churchill/Jane Fairfax story strongly. I don't like Mark Strong's Knightly, though - waaay too angry/preachy! Jeremy Northam is my favorite Mr. Knightly. :)
  21. Wyliefan

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    He's definitely the cutest. :D The Romola Garai film isn't bad, except that Garai mugs for the camera way too much.
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    I love that one too!
  23. emason

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    Note to Tinami:

    Pride and Prejudice is not set in the Victorian era.
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    Definitely prefer the 1995 BBC miniseries. The movie is okay for when I don't want to settle down for hours to watch.

    And yup, I like the Paltrow version of Emma because of Jeremy Northam. :) If we could mix and match, Beckinsale with Northam.

    Canadians, I don't know if the sale price is still on, but I picked up the 2008 BBC Sense and Sensibility dvd for $9.99 at Best Buy in late April. :kickass: price, it also includes Miss Austen Regrets which aired on PBS Masterpiece a while back.
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  25. Cachoo

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    I like the 2005 version but for me the 90's versions of P&P, Persuasion, and Sense and Sensibility are three of my favorite movies/mini-series of the decade. There was also a non-Austen little gem called Enchanted April that I loved from the 90's. Now it seems that zombies need to be added for us to see Elizabeth again on film.
  26. mag

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    I have the piano score. I'm in Canada and I picked it up at Long & McQuade. It was published by the Universal Music Publishing Group www.universalmusicpublishing.com and distributed by Hal Leonard.
    ISBN 1 - 4234 - 1113 - 7
  27. Nomad

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    The Victorian era began in 1837, two decades after Jane Austen died. Austen's novels were published between 1811 and 1818, which places them in the Regency Period.
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    I've liked Matthew Macfayden since he was on MI-5/Spooks, so I love the 2005 version for him.

    I've only watched the BBC version a couple of times.
  29. IceAlisa

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    Thank you! :)
  30. Tinami Amori

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    Sorry, you're right. Then "pre-victorian"... Regency?... I believe that standards of conduct and propriety between a man and a woman were pretty much the same from Regency into Victorian... unmarried young men and women could not be alone without a guardian, females had to have escorts and companions to go out and to travel, not even kissing before marriage, minimal physical contact... Austen's novels a very respectfull of such rules. The last espisode in US version of 2005 film is very out of line.
  31. znachki

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    Add me to list of those who love the 1995 Persuasion. I do think it's the best of the Austen adaptations. I strongly dislike the newer version. Just couldn't buy Rupert Penry-Jones as Wentworth - not enough gravitas, and Sally Hawkins, yuck. I especially hated the whole running through Bath thing, and IIRC they totally blew the reading of the letter too.
  32. AYS

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    I love this movie and agree it was one of the best Austen adaptations. I've watched it many times. Anne is 27, and past the "bloom" of youth, so I felt their ages seemed not too off. From what a couple of people have told me, though, it is much richer and more enjoyable if you know the novel well. Anne's internal life is such an important part of the novel, and you miss that if you watch the movie without that background.

    I also love the Kate Beckinsale's Emma, much better than the Paltrow version.
  33. DCA

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    I am so happy to see so many votes for the 1980 P&P with David Rintoul. It is the best version. You can even follow along in the book while watching the film. The changed ending of the 2005 movie was ridiculous. In the 1995 BBC production, it always bothered me that Jane was not better looking. There are so many references to Jane being the prettiest Bennett sister, and this was rather a plain Jane.
    My favorite adaptation is Persuation with Amanda Root. It was even the first DVD I ever purchased. There are so many wonderful, subtle touches in it--I love the brief scene where Captain Wentworth is helping Anne into the carriage, and he gently squeezes her arm.
  34. Asli

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    For me the 1995 BBC version of P&P was terrific and the 2005 version all wrong!

    Mr. Bennet is not a "gentleman farmer". He owns the estate, he's the squire. A gentleman farmer would be his tenant and would not even be invited to his table.

    Indeed the way the 2005 P&P pictures the Bennets as barely genteel - living right beside a pigsty and having to pass through drying linen to reach their front door - is completely grotesque. :rolleyes: Maybe the creators of this version thought that the audience would not understand the difference between the Darcy and Bennet families, unless one family lived like kings and the other like peasants? Ridiculous.

    As for Elizabeth, while she is clever, lively and ever so slightly ahead of her time in her ideas about a woman's place, she is not - as Keira Knightly pictures her - wild, half mad and downright rude. :rofl: A Jane Austen heroine cannot lack propriety. Otherwise the whole novel doesn't make sense, because much of the humour and the plot are based on ridiculing those who lack propriety. Why does Elizabeth censure Lydia for eloping with Wickam at all? I am sure Keira Knightley's character would have eloped with him herself! ;)

    Matthew MacFadyen is a brilliant actor. I have seen an interview with him about P&P, where he said that he had not read the novel and had deliberately only read the script. (Which is just as well probably, since the two are not compatible.) He was brilliant in showing Darcy's passion, but absolutely didn't look and act like a powerful man who governs over half Derbyshire - which is an important side of Darcy and which Colin Firth had nailed. Anyway, I always love watching him and hearing his wonderful voice. :swoon:

    One thing that was superb about the 2005 movie was the photography. Mesmerising :swoon:

    Thanks to everyone who has pointed out the 1980 version. I'll try to find it, wheee!
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  35. Zemgirl

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    While I agree that the 1995 version is fabulous and the 2005 film is all wrong, I don't think the above is accurate - a gentleman farmer would have been just what the name implies: a gentleman, but one who farms for pleasure, out of scientific interest, etc. and not as a source of income. But definitely not someone's tenant who's not fit for polite company.

    I don't believe Mr. Bennet was a gentleman farmer under either definition, but he is also not a squire, or he would have been referred to as Squire Bennet.

    Anyway, I seriously doubt a gentleman farmer would have pigs running around the house. The film exaggerated the Bennets' situation to create a contrast between them and Darcy and his relations, which was unfortunate.
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    :confused:

    Elinor Dashwood is 19; Emma Thompson was 35 or 36 when she played the part. Although the character is mature for her years, Thompson was far too old to be true to the spirit of the book.

    Anne Elliot is 27; Amanda Root was 31 or 32 when she played the part. As others have in essence already said, the character is already perceived by society as being too old to be marriageable. Root was certainly close enough to the right age and did a great job.

    I did think that Ciaran Hinds was too rough to be Capt. Wentworth, though. :shuffle:
  38. Asli

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    Is this definition from the late 19th century?

    In Jane Austen's world, gentleman farmers have to work their farm to earn a living and are not fit for the company of "real" gentlemen. Examples: Robert Martin in "Emma" and the Hayter family in "Persuasion", though Charles Hayter is acceptable as a clergyman.

    Mr. Bennet is the squire, in the sense of being the main landowner of the district. I'm far from being an expert in history, but in literature I've never read of a squire being called "Squire X".

    Emma Thompson has changed many aspects of the characters in her script and I believe Elinor's age is one of them. The movie version of Elinor must be in her late twenties, because in one scene Elinor overhears someone saying "Poor Marianne will become an old maid like Elinor." Even at that time, noone would call a 19-year-old unmarried girl "an old maid."

    IMO it's a good thing, because the Elinor in the novel sounds too damn "holier than thou" for a 19-year-old. ;)
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  39. Jimena

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    Though I thoroughly enjoyed the BBC series, I find myself watching the 2005 version often. I was very surprised I liked it as much as I did. I thoroughly enjoyed Knightly (surprising, since I don't really like her much) and the supporting cast- the parents, the sisters, Mr. Collins- were superior.

    Also, I've grown to not like Ehle too much in that role.
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    Both links that I posted say that a gentleman farmer is a landowner who farms for pleasure, not for income. One of the link said that Mr. Bennett fits the definition.

    A gentleman farmer is not a tenant, neither would he farm for a living. He doesn't have to work.