Potential partnership of Riazanova & Vaturi and other Italian dance news

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. Sylvia

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    http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/figu...ovavaturi-e-altre-novita-nella-danza-italiana
    Google translated excerpt:
    The article also mentions that Federica Bernardi "is trying to skate with Saverio Giacomelli (ETA link to his ISU singles bio) Italian junior champion in 2007" and that Andrea Fabbri, the younger brother of Marco, has been trying out with Japan's Misato Komatsubara:
    "The tests carried out in recent weeks under the direction of Barbara Fusar Poli have provided very positive feedback, but at the moment it is not yet known to what country Komatsubara / Fabbri ("Blacksmiths" ;)) can choose to compete."
     
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  2. Ziggy

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    Exciting news! Thanks Sylvia. Wow, it's a very busy off-season, that's for sure.

    As I expected, Russian Federation is not causing any problems releasing Riazanova. Which should give the green light for Tkachenko as well, to represent Lithuania, should have make that decision.

    Japan only has two Ice Dance teams at the moment, right (Reeds and Hirai/De La Asuncion)? So that would be a decent option but then I think that funding would be very limited (unless they managed to achieve good results) and they could forget about ever competing at the Olympics.
     
  3. pingu

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    Do you need a translation of the article? Btw Neveitalia also stated that the Junior ice dance pair Sforza/Sforza may skate in seniors next year, as they have had very good results in Juniors in the past season.
    I guess as Federica Bernardi has deleted her IPS account, she is going to skate with Giacomelli :) I haven't had an official confirmation from her yet, though.
     
  4. Sylvia

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    This new interview with Riazanova confirms she will train in Milan with Vaturi: http://www.allsportinfo.ru/index.php?id=83448

    Interview in English with Lorenza Alessandrini (published on May 19): http://www.insideskating.net/2014/0...-find-a-good-partner-to-continue-skating-with
     
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  5. TAHbKA

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    The translation of the link above:

    Riazanova: I will be skating for Italy with Vaturi
    The Russian figure skating federation does not mind Ekaterina Riazanova, the multiple national medallist, the participant of the Europeans and the Worlds switching to Italy. Alexey Zubakov from allsport.ru spoke to Riazanova.

    ER: The federation is not holding me back and allowing to switch to Italy to skate with Vaturi. Now we are doing all the paperwork so we can represent Italy.

    AZ: Why did it take so long to announce your decision? Ilya Tkachenko announced the break up at the end of April
    ER: I was not certain the federation would release me. I only received an answer a couple of days ago.

    AZ: Why did your partnership with Ilya Tkachenko fall apart?
    ER: At the beginning of the season I knew it was our last season together. Ilya told me last spring he is thinking of retiring. Nevertheless we worked a lot, we set our minds on the season and tried to make it to the team. We dreamed skating in Sochi. We were very upset we didn't make it to the team.

    AZ: Who made the decision to split?
    ER: I think we both understood there was no point keeping skating together. Ilya was the first to voice it though. Of course I'm sorry about our 5 years of working together, we went through a lot together supporting each other. Nevertheless the life goes on and we have our separate ways now.

    AZ: Why have you decided to represent Italy?
    ER: I received an offer to skate with Vaturi. I went to the try out and liked everything. Of course there is plenty of work ahead, but think we should be ok. Frankly, I didn't mind whether I would be skating for Italy in particular or not, but I am very fond of that country.

    AZ: Why?
    ER: The Italians are well meaning, easy to communicate with, emotional, full of style good looking people. There are so many things to see in every town, each beautiful in it's way and I would love to visit every possible city. I hope it will be possible in the future - so far I've only been to Milano, where I will be living and training. Our coaches will be Paola Mezzadri and Roberto Pelizzola.

    AZ:What about Vaturi? Do you have a contact?
    ER: We are friends. Its weird really : we've known each other for a while - since the junior competitions, but we never actually spoke to each other. When I came to Milano I couldn't help feeling we were good old friends. Working together was easy. I think we suit emotionally, which is very important for me

    AZ: What are your plans for the near future?
    ER: Right now I have to graduate the uni. There are also lots of little details to take care of. Then I can go to Italy. I can't wait to start training.

    AZ: Are there any changes in your personal life?
    ER: Free as a bird looking for my happiness.

    AZ: What are your main goals for the season? For the whole cycle?
    ER: For the season - to become a pair, to feel each other as partners, to choreograph the programmes. I think we'll participate some shows. We have lots of work ahead of us preparing for the nationals. As for the international competitions - I don't know yet. I think I have to sit out a season switching countries, but I don't understand much in those rules. First I want to fly to Italy and start working with the new partner under the new coaches and we'll see what then. I don't really want to look much further into the future, frankly. First we have to start skating and things will work out.
     
  6. UMBS Go Blue

    UMBS Go Blue KWEEN 2016! YES WE KWAN!

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    For some reason this really made me smile. Best of luck! :40beers: :cheer2:
     
  7. Catherine M

    Catherine M Well-Known Member

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    I love that quote by Riazanova, too. Best of luck to her as she makes the move to Italy.
     
  8. SLIVER

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    Good luck to them but the whole thing sounds so strange. R/T were the next big thing in Russia not long ago, that they would spilt for no apparent reason (is he really stopping?), be dumped behind Sinitsina/Z for no better reason either is very strange. Yes their progs were blah this year but S/Z were hardly skating like Gods.

    Now to make things stranger she's skating with quite an average partner and is being released, barely no questions asked, by the Russians! When was last time Rus fed released anyone so promising this fast?

    Upside is, if/when C/L retire, they could be Ita number 1s. However Barbara and Guignard/Fabri will have a thing or two to say about that.
     
  9. hanca

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    I am also really surprised that she is being released so quickly. Maybe because she wants to skate with Vaturi and that's why the Russian Federation doesn't feel that she would be threat to them? Or maybe some money were exchanged...

    Tkachenko is not retiring, he is either skating for Lithuania or for Russia with his new Lithuanian partner.

    But I think the split was coming. While other dance couples were moving upwards, R/T seemed to be stagnating. And if you realise that every year Russia has had new junior champions in dance (or this year junior world silver medalist, but in the last few years it has been junior worlds champions), at some stage these new young talent have to start overtaking those who are not moving upwards. And this year S/Z already beat R/T, so there was no point to keep hanging around. Plus add their age (Tkachenko is I think 27) and the result was that the Federation decided not to invest any more into a couple that stagnates and one partner is 'getting on with his age'.
     
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  11. Sylvia

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  12. kosjenka

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    How come Fusar Poli is not their coach?

    Confused here...
     
  13. MissJD

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    Hmmm Idk... I had (from an earlier article) that it would be Fusar Poli. Maybe it's because she already has Guignard/ Fabbri and they would be direct competitors (especially after C/L retire).

    ETA: Does Mezzadri still work with C/L?
     
  14. kosjenka

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    I dont see Anna and Luca retiring just now.

    Fusar Poli is okay new coach, but I much prefer Mezzadri.
     
  15. SLIVER

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    I think if C/L proved anything this year, it's that anything can happen in dance, things are not as static as years gone by and I no longer believe a couple is doomed to stagnate and be held back like before. So I hadn't written R/T off just yet.

    As much as I love C/L, that was the flukeist world title ever, nonetheless the perseverance paid off, who would have ever predicted they would be world champs?

    The irony is with all the splitting up, R/T would have prob had a very decent chance of doing very well this season lol.
    Anyway good luck to both teams. Is Tkachenko going to skate with Shakira?
     
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  16. Sylvia

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  17. MissJD

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    Tkachenko is going to skate with Isabella Tobias.
     
  19. pingu

    pingu Well-Known Member

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    Yes, she has been their coach for the past four seasons.
    Lorenza is also probably going to train at the Forum ice rink with Mezzadri and Pelizzola, she is doing some tryouts now.
     
  20. kosjenka

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    From what I remember, C&L were caught in the middle of Zoueva&Shpilband split and choose to work with Igor because they see Mezzadri as their version of Zoueva.
     
  21. kosjenka

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    In my mind, the flukeist world title ever goes to Meissner. I dont remember her skating at all.
     
  22. SLIVER

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    Lol I agree re Meissner, I was more referring to ice dance though. Meissner was also the best on the day, which I am sorry to say wasn't the case for C/L, esp by 0.02 or whatever the margin was.
     
  23. kosjenka

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    I think 4 of the couples were all on their best that day, but they weren't all on their best the day before. That's why we have 2 dances. C&L rocked that short dance and I think they are aware that a situation like this is not likely to happen again. Had the Canadians won - it would have been equally fair, same goes for the French. It was very close, but the margin from the SD was in favor of C&L and I cannot find a problem with the judging in short dance so I think the overall result was fair.
     
  24. Ziggy

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    Pechalat/Bourzat were not rewarded appropriately for having the most detailed FD and basics overall stronger than the other teams (save I/K but they were out of the running anyway after the SD). The fact they were 4th on the PCS in the FD was just beyond :rolleyes:.
     
  25. SLIVER

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    No no I completely disagree, no one is a bigger fan of C/L than I am but there is no way their PCS should have been close to W/P or P/B. The judges totally checked out of judging the free properly, the choreography of the C/L was not a patch on that of the others, nor were the transitions.
    That alone should have made a big difference in the points. C/L's last minute is one of emptiest I've ever seen at that level.
    There's no point in having 9 judges if they can't make a serious detailed distinction between the couples in the PCS. Especially when the differences were glaring.

    You can argue that the Perf and Int was as good, I might even give you something vaguely similar in SS (even though Anna's edges are quite poor) but the other 2 components, absolutely no way and that would make at least a point or 2 difference in free.
     
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  26. kosjenka

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    I stand by my opinion but want to add that in my opinion PCS are a joke. Not just here, but pretty much everywhere. Just remember how Denis Ten was scored at Worlds 2013. Suddenly his PCS jumped form 7s and 8s to high 8s and 9s when in fact his SP was much better skated etc.
     
  27. SLIVER

    SLIVER Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree, this year more than ever it became so obvious with the Sotnikova fiasco and c/l. They use them and justify them as they please.