Post your Rise Movie Review.

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by FSWer, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

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    Say,if you saw the Movie "Rise"...please take time to post your review of it here. Here's mine....as I just bought it on DVD. To start....for those who don't have the DVD. it comes with 30min of Footage never seen. I must also say that there were things mentioned in the Movie that I remember from reading the Book "Frozen in Time". For instance, they mentioned about how Maribelle Owen took on a little Girl, and bought her in the back of the Rink and gave her free Skating lessons after hrs. I don't recall if it ever said in the Book who the Girl was. As I didn't hear it mentioned in the Movie too. But before I go on...if anyone knows of any Record to who the Girl was,and were she is today (if of course she wasn't one of the skaters who died), I would really appreciate it.
    Anyway....going on with my review.... They also showed clips from the 1961 Nationals (oh....and btw. I will soon be the proud owner of it on DVD.!!! They also even showed some actual color Video Footage from the actual Day that Marabelle was teaching her Daughters!!!! Were they got THAT....I'd love to know!!!! LOL. So my friends...........that's MY Review....let's hear all of yours!!!!
     
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  2. Casey2

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    I have a really fuzzy memory of someone coaching a female African American skater after hours because she was not white. This young skater went on to coach other non-white skaters and was honored not too long ago. I'll try to locate more information, but maybe this will jog some other (better) minds.
     
  3. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    Going from fuzzy memory, I believe the girl marble coached in her spare time was Mabel fairbanks, who wasn't allowed in the then whites only skating clubs, and the color footage of marble skating with her daughters as her mother looked on was from the 1960 olys.
     
  4. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

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    Was she any relation to Marble Owen? Does she still skate? Or is she gone?
     
  5. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    No relation to Maribel Vinson Owen. Mabel Fairbanks died in 2001 at the age of 85 -- here's a good obituary article about her accomplishments in skating: http://articles.latimes.com/2001/oct/04/local/me-53367
    Excerpts:
     
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  6. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

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    Are there any old pics of her skating? How far in level if any did she get??
     
  7. berthesghost

    berthesghost Well-Known Member

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    Blacks were not allowed to compete until after wwII, so Fairbanks turned pro but even then many shows wouldn't hire her so she started her own tour. Later she coached and her big claim to fame is as the early coach of young tai & Randy whom she paired up before they went onto nicks and fame.
     
  8. overedge

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  9. FSWer

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    Is there any known reason to why? Or was it just more segugation (sorry if I spelled that wrong)?
     
  10. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

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    When was she born,and how old was she when she went to train at the Rink at night with Mareble?
     
  11. Sasha'sSpins

    Sasha'sSpins Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for the links! Mabel had one of the most BEAUTIFUL split leaps I have ever seen!

    I love how she autographed her photos "Skatingly Yours, Mabel Fairbanks". :cool:

    I can only imagine how many great talents were lost due to discrimination in that era. :(
     
  12. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    From the article Sylvia linked to:
     
  13. FSWer

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    So when she went to the Rink with Marbell. She must have been in her 40's-50's,right? Gee,"Frozen in Time" makes it sound like she was a little girl of 8,etc.
     
  14. overedge

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    :confused: I haven't seen Frozen in Time, but the obituary Sylvia linked to talked about Mabel starting to skate when she was a young girl, and also says:
    And the "later" is referring to after she had skated in shows. So if she was coaching in the 1940s she must have been trained by Maribel Owen much earlier than that.
     
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  15. FSWer

    FSWer Well-Known Member

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    Can anyone confurm when she was trained and how old she was then?
     
  16. zilam98

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    how come we still dont see a lot of african-american skaters on ice?
     
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    My guess is it comes down to money more than anything else. It costs - at lot to do some sports (figure skating and hockey being two of the ones that quickly come to my mind) compared to say ... soccer or basketball.
     
  18. FSWer

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    Before we get back to the main topic of this thread....your reviews. Can anyone confurm if I'm right at saying that Marbel Fairbanks was indeed the actual first Black Ladies Competitor to show that Skating should be for BOTH Blacks AND Whites..and does indeed hold the title in History as Black Competitive Ladies Freestyle Skater...#1?
     
  19. overedge

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    The article Sylvia linked to says that she was never able to compete. This video explains that to compete in her era, you had to be a member of a USFSA club, and clubs generally didn't allow African-Americans to join.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kW4bSdx2o

    So she was probably one of the first African-American skaters in shows, galas, exhibitions, etc., but she wasn't a competitive skater.
     
  20. FSWer

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    Who is she with then in the Flicr pic. that Sashaspins posted? It looks like at 1 time she was an Ice-Dancer with a Parner. Any more Rise Reviews?
     
  21. aftershocks

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    Mabel Fairbanks didn't only coach "non-white" skaters, she coached skaters from many ethnic backgrounds.

    Listen to manleywoman's skatecast interview with Randy Gardner -- he shares some wonderful anecdotes about Mabel Fairbanks.
     
  22. FSWer

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    If she was a coach,then she must have competed,right? Or can you be a coach without being a competitor yourself?
     
  23. overedge

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    If someone is willing to pay you to teach them, you can be a coach, regardless of your history. Of course, coaches who have competed or who have performed in shows are usually better coaches, but you don't have to have been a competitive skater to become a coach.
     
  24. Clarice

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    Remember, she didn't compete because she wasn't allowed to compete, not because she wasn't good enough.

    Anyway, a coach doesn't necessarily need to be able to do stuff; they need to be able to effectively get somebody else to do it. If you've done it yourself, it's easier to understand what needs to be done, but the best coaches don't necessarily have to be the best skaters. They need to be good at analyzing what a skater needs to do to improve, and they need excellent communication skills. Most coaches have been competitors themselves, but I've had some very good coaching from people who were trained as dancers, not skaters. They could see what I needed to change, and were able to show me what I needed to do to make my skating better.
     
  25. nubka

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    Does anybody else have anything to say about the actual movie? I haven't seen it yet, and would like to read some more reviews.

    Please.... :) :) :)
     
  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    Thanks Sylvia!

    This thread title should probably be changed to: Questions and Answers About Mabel Fairbanks -- famous but little known former skater/ coach
     
  28. nubka

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    Thanks, I'll check it out, since this thread has been most definately hijacked... :rollin:
     
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  29. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    Perhaps we should direct FSWer to the long thread on the initial showing of RISE, in which 100s of reviews were written? This wouold have been back in March 2011.