Post-Worlds Retirements

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by haribobo, Apr 30, 2011.

  1. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I think Alban might be happy to skate at Euros even though he might not get to skate at Worlds. And who knows, with Joubert skating as badly as he is lately, he might..:) for Alban but :( for Joubert.
     
  2. JerseySlore

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    Yuna has so much on her plate right now so I just can't see her doing GP circuit thing. But then again, many of her projects at least partially depend on her continued success as competitive athlete, so I don't see her retiring altogether either.
     
  3. judgejudy27

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    You need to remember Davis & White did not pass Belbin & Agosto until the very Olympic season. B&A stayed clearly in front almost the entire quad. So yes an additional 5 points gap indicate S&S are unlikely to catch D&W by Sochi. B&A also struggled to find the right vehicle and improve for awhile, had some bad luck, and with their failure to win their much anticapted major title gradually fell out of favor.

    Anyway I was responding to people who said D&W should just move on since obviously they must know they cant hold off S&S which is a ridiculous logic at this point.
     
  4. judgejudy27

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    Pairs: I think Kavaguti and Pang & Tong might retire before Sochi, not sure about right now. Evora & Ladwig might retire now, and the Zhangs probably will retire or have already.

    Men: Van Der Perren, Bradley, Contesti all seem likely. Joubert after next years Worlds.

    Ladies: Miki Ando and Rachel Flatt for sure, Wagner and Zhang maybe.
     
  5. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Miki's retiring. She might take a year off.
     
  6. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think Bazarova and Larionov are breaking up?

    BTW Larionov is 24 and Smirnov is 26
     
  7. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    ^Miki has said many times she aims to be in Sochi.
     
  8. dinakt

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    And in her latest post- Wolds interview she said she is not even sure now about taking a year off.
    It seems that Miki is still deciding what to do next year, but she hopes to continue until Sochi.
    It'll be tricky for her, though- she relies so much on Morozov and clearly trusts him completely. In fact, in interview she says she is not sure she'd be able to skate without him. If Morozov is indeed obligated to drop foreign students, might be a tough situation for her.
     
  9. mia joy

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    Seriously, have people saying D/W will/should retire been drinking or smoking something? That's totally NOT happening! They're on top of their game and one look at them is enough to say how competition hungry they still are. They still want to improve and besides I can imagine them wanting to prove themselves by winning against full-trained V/M. If I were them, I'd like to give this Olympic gold one more shot as well, even if it was about to end with a sliver or bronze. if there is someone who's already won everything, it's V/M, but as someone already said, they'd probably wonna retire as World champions, not silver medalists, besides they also look excited about finally being able to train normally. So I am 100% positive both teams are staying, with D/W staying until Sochi almost for sure.

    And please, do not compare D/W surpassing B/A with the possibility of the Shibs surpassing D/W. As someone already stated, B/A were never a team of the quality of Meryl and Charlie. They were also never World champions. What they had was a benefit of competing during a totally dead period in ice dance, with no real stars. If they were in the same generation of dancers as D/W and V/M, they'd probably never win their medals.

    And plus, there still are Samuelson/Bates. I'm really curious to see who's gonna be USA's no 2 next season.

    Besides, 24 and 23 is still such a young age for a dance team! with all those teenagers appearing everywhere, people seem to forget the best ice dance performances are usually delivered by mature, 30-ish skaters. I believe both D/W and V/M can still become so much better in terms of expression and artistry as they grow older. I wouldn't want to miss possible masterpieces because of somebody's premature retirement.
     
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  10. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I predict all the skaters who "take a year off" wont be back. That goes for Pang & Tong and all the others who talk about it too. The field isnt going to get weaker in any of the disciplines, all except the pairs will get alot stronger in fact, so aging skaters arent going to come back and think they will do really well after some time off. Only Shen & Zhou type legends with that kind of respect can hope to do that in the twilight of their careers. The rest will look like Sasha Cohen should they dare, but most arent as unwise as she was.
     
  11. pinky166

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    Joubert and Verner have competition only from Amodio and Brezina, so really there is no fear of them making World and Euro teams unless France and Czech Republic were to go down to one spot, which is highly unlikely. If there was more competition, then it would be understandable, but it's not even like Amodio is clearly better than Joubert (and at this point Joubert is clearly better than Preaubert and Bessigher) or Brezina is clearly better than Verner at this point. If they want to continue, they should, and having some competition within their own country could help them stay on top of their games. Considering Tomas changed coaches this season and had good results and showed better consistency, I'd be surprised if he retired. My guess is he wants another shot at the Olympics so he can end his career with a finish higher than 18th and 19th. Joubert could stick around til Sochi, but I think he will at least definitely stay in for next season where worlds are in Nice.
     
  12. orbitz

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    Maybe now would be a good time for Morozov to have a sit down talk with Miki about the importance of retiring when you're at the top :p
     
  13. Spiralgraph

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    I think with that surprise bronze medal, Maia and Alex are firmly the USA's number 2 team now.
    Samuelson/Bates will not be granted second position by default.
     
  14. olympic

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    Re Miki Ando- maybe the Fed is playing a role in persuading her to compete in light of the gold medal at '11 Worlds, and in light of Mao rebuilding, Suzuki aging and possibly on the verge of retirement, Nakano retired, Suguri basically a side show, and Murakami still rough and developing???

    And how many good Junior ladies are there in JPN these days?? A lot of the focus has been on the baby Russians. At Jr. Worlds, didn't it end up being a duel between Russia and the US? Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Hicks, Gao, Shelepen, and Zawadzki, with the JPN ladies not really in the mix? Maybe the JSF fears a gap in coming years as Miki and Mao age, and slim pickings among the Jrs., so they want to keep the current gold medalist going...
     
  15. oleada

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    Risa Shoji was the highest placed Japanese lady. She was 5th. She has a 3S+3T, but also has a tendency to under-rotate. She was also 4th at the JGPF.

    At the moment it seems like the Russian and American junior ladies are more technically advanced than the Japanese.
     
  16. newbatgirl

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    It will be very interesting to see the GP assignments when they come out. SamBates will not be seeded but the Shibs will be so they may compete head to head at some point well before Nats.
     
  17. Civic

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    Kira Korpi makes a lovely picture on the ice. However, she has been skating at the world level for some time. My gut tells me that if she hasn't worked through her jump problems by now, she probably never will.
     
  18. a56

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    I don't see Miki retiring. She might even win a 3rd world title and seriously challenge in Sochi, depending on how the Russian junior ladies do at the senior level.

    I'd like to see Joubert skate at the Worlds in his home country next year, although it was kind of painful to watch him at the Moscow worlds. :( I don't really see him continuing past that, unfortunately.

    I hope Pechalat and Bourzat come back from this disappointment and win worlds next year. Very unfortunate what happened. :( Delschoes also ended up 4th a few times before they won worlds.

    I'm a bit surprised to hear that Takahashi will continue. I thought he was going to retire for sure after worlds.

    How is it that the Shibs didn't win Junior Worlds even once? :confused: They are the solid #2 American ice dance team now, and one day, they'll do to D/W what D/W did to Belgosto & what Belgosto did to L/T (take first place in the eyes of international and home judges).
     
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  19. newbatgirl

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    Joubert needs to end things. If he skates in France like he skated in Moscow, it will devastate him. I'd hate to see him crushed like that at home and his list of issues just seems to keep growing.
     
  20. judgejudy27

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    LOL Pechelat and Bourzat will never win Worlds. This year was by far their best shot to medal ever. They basically had to have a disaester to lose the bronze and that is what happened. They might have a shot at the bronze with Worlds in France next year, but it will be alot harder with the up and coming teams improving. Delobel & Schoenfelder had beaten all the top teams at various points and won a European title before their World title. Nothing like P&B who arent miles behind V&M and D&W.

    Miki Ando did so well this year mostly by just how poor the ladies event was this year. It wasnt any drastic improvement in her performances. She wouldnt have won any major title since...well probably the year Jill Trenary won with her performancesto win Worlds this year, and she wouldnt have medalled in Vancouver either with her performances to win Worlds this year . Imagine putting Ando from Moscow vs Kim of Vancouver or even Asada of Turin last year, what a blowout that would be. Credit her for taking advantage of how things were though.
     
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  21. MikiAndoFan#1

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    Never say never. ;)
     
  22. judgejudy27

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    What is the closest P&B have ever come to D&W or V&M in the last couple years. And how much older than both teams are they. Seriously I think they blew their golden shot of ever winning a World bronze, forget a gold.
     
  23. MikiAndoFan#1

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    You give too much importance to past results. The fact that Péchalat & Bourzat have never beaten Davis & White and Virtue & Moir in the past doesn't mean they won't beat them in the future. Péchalat & Bourzat improved so much this season and I can only expect more improvement from them.

    Age doesn't matter.
     
  24. orbitz

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    I thought Joubert's LP in Moscow was one of the better LP he has delivered within the past 2 years or so. I didn't care for the program itself, but jump-wise he landed the 4t, both 3a and only stumpled out of one jump. He seemed satisfied with himself after the performance. It's still possible for him to skate well next year but the consistency just isn't there anymore.
     
  25. judgejudy27

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    There isnt even a remote chance P&B have more improvement ahead than D&W or V&M, let alone much more. Age doesnt matter? It does when you are talking about someone much better than you for years who is also much younger than you.
     
  26. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I feel differently.
     
  27. PashaFan

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    You REALLY don't like Natalie & Fabian do you ?!!!!.
    Yes D/W & V/M are ahead of them now but I think that's been with A LOT OF HELP from the judges. I thought Natalie & Fabian were better than Meryl & Charlie in the short dance but the judges are making it clear that they now favour the North American couples now.
    I love V/M & think they should have won the Gold medal. But for me D/W are turning ice dance into mini pairs skating.
    But don't give up on Pechalat & Borzat yet, remember Del/Sch were the nearly couple for years then won the Euro's in 2007 & the World's in 2008 & dominated the Grand Prix series in 2008 & had it not been for Isabelle's shoulder injury & pregnancy would have gone on to challenge for an Olympic medal in Vancouver.
     
  28. wonderlen

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    Korpi has been competing for so long and if she doesn't straightened her F/Lz by now, she never will. Imo time for her is running out. In one or two years, European senior ladies will be dominated by the Russian skaters..
     
  29. wonderlen

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    If all of them retire, we are left with.....let see.... competition full of inconsistent skaters and LOL :lol::lol::lol:
    It will be a battle of who fall the least!!
     
  30. JerseySlore

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    And Mirai will still manage to not win the whole thing.:slinkaway