Pope Benedict XVI Resigning as Pope!!

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Lorac, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    Just saw this breaking news on cnn (on my computer) but it seems lots of posters are way ahead of me :)

    http://www.cnn.com/

    Since I know very little about Catholicism, I cannot really express any opinion on this. Good luck to Pope Francis.
     
  2. CantALoop

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    My Argentinian relatives have yet to comment on this - considering that they usually post on Facebook frequently, their silence is almost deafening :shuffle:

    Not to drag this to PI, but timing of an Argentinian pope is interesting, especially considering how the Catholics have butted heads with President Fernández de Kirchner, who despite being progressive on social issues, has been unpopular due to government corruption and national income inequality.
     
  3. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    He'll be officially installed as Pope on March 19th.
     
  4. Buzz

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    The people from Central and South America the reporters have interviewed seems to be really happy with this choice.
     
  5. PDilemma

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    He chose the simplest of vestments that popes wear. I think that is significant but not in a bad or odd way. It seems he has striven to be humble and down to earth, people in Buenos Aires knew him, even when he was a cardinal, as "Father Jorge" and as mentioned in the thread he lived in a simple apartment rather than the archbishop's "palace" and used public transportation rather than a personal driver. Red silk is apparently not going to be his thing. Benedict wore red on the balcony (Photo here: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02506/conclave-benedict_2506121b.jpg ) and wore the red and gold stole the whole time, Francis chose to wear it only to give the blessing. His cross was also quite less ornate than we normally have seen popes wearing. I would say those things are statements about who he is and wishes to be. And I don't think that is a bad thing or something to criticize.
     
  6. Rob

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    The red mozzetta and red and gold stole are apparently traditional, but the new Pope chose not to wear it. In keeping with his name I guess. Back to the basics.

    Benedict forgot to take his black sweater he wore for the conclave off when he got dressed. So you can see the sleeves in the photo.
     
  7. PDilemma

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    You can see quite clearly in that photo that the sleeves were too short for him. It would not have been necessary to take it off had the vestments fit properly. They prepare three sets of vestments for a new pope and hope that one fits well enough to work for that initial appearance. I also read today that there are three pairs of shoes to choose from as well. That must be the worst trouble. This pope looked as if the vestment will only need a bit of tailoring, that wasn't the case for Benedict. You can see in this photo that the sleeves were a bit short for JP II as well and he also wore the red:

    http://www.fjp2.com/images/stories/...r_16th-1978-Habemus-Papam-_We-Have-a-Pope.jpg
     
  8. bek

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    But if they are younger than you are stuck with them for possibly decades...Even if they are great they can still achieve a kind of divine status....... A long reign isn't necessarily good. There were good things about JPII's reign but bad things about having a reign that long. In fact in general a long pontiff is considered not necessarily great idea.

    I think there are good things about having an older pope especially with the new Benedict precedent. It will give some of the younger Cardinals a little more experience too.

    All I can say is may he have the spirit of St Francis of Assisi.. One of our very greatest of saints. And rebuild our church. I'm shocked it took so long to get a Pope Francis!
     
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  9. Ziggy

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    Yep, same as usual then.
     
  10. cruisin

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    You can always join us Episcopalians, we're the liberal Catholics :)
     
  11. purple skates

    purple skates Shadow dancing

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    Interesting article on the name choice.
     
  12. skatesindreams

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    Francis has the prayers of this Episcopalian.
    I hope that he will be equal to the challenges ahead of him.
     
  13. Desperado

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    IIRC, pope John Paul I also wore a similar simple white robe and was also big on simplicity. I was extremely sorry to see him pass away so soon, he gave me a feeling of hope that I lost a long time ago.
     
  14. D&Sfan4ever

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    Well, it was only 3pm here when it was announced, most of us where still at work, maybe they don't know yet.

    President Kirchner unpopular just because of government corruption and income inequality? There is a lot more to it, trust me. She refuses to acknowledge the countries high inflation and the economy has gone from bad to worst in this last few months, among other things.
    To give you an example that would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that this lady rules my country: Just today she said that diabetes is a disease exclusive to people of higher incomes, because they are lasy and fat.
     
  15. PDilemma

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    All popes wear that same white robe/vestment for daily use. It is the simplest one in the "collection", though, and we typically see the more ornate addition of red and gold for the introduction. And JPII wore the full red and gold regalia for his introduction (I linked a photo above). I just read that the simple cross Pope Francis wore is his own and it seems he intends to keep it rather than wear the ornate papal crosses.
     
  16. cruisin

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    Mine, as well. He has inherited quite a mess.
     
  17. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    Clearly, the cardinals were going for a high Pope turnover. Otherwise, why would they elect a 76 year old with one lung? Meanies.
     
  18. CantALoop

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    Oh I believe you, my relatives were out there in Buenos Aires banging pots and pans last year, which is why I was surprised that nobody had something to say about Pope Francis.

    That diabetes comment is :rolleyes::duh:, I can see why so many Argentinos have contempt for her. Isn't obesity and diabetes disproportionately affecting the poor in Argentina? I could have sworn I read that something similar is happening there as in the US in that the impoverished are eating unhealthier foods because it's less expensive than eating healthy. (Edit: I found it! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22615030)

    Although I disagree with the current's Pope stance on gay rights and contraception, I really hope he uses the platform to help the poor everywhere and in his home country.
     
  19. D&Sfan4ever

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    Of course it is, but she loves to trow darts to the "high income" people (as if She wasn't one them :rolleyes:) because they are, almost without exception, deeply opposed to her and her government. This days she doesn't even stop to check the facts before she utters new idiotic and/or petty comments when she speaks.

    Me too.
     
  20. oleada

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    Here's an article on the reaction in Argentina: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/13/pope-francis-argentina-reaction

    He's had one lung for about 50 years, so he seems to be doing okay.

    I'll never agree with the church in regards to their position on homosexuality, contraception, abortion and women, but given the choices, he seems to be one of the better ones. He seems humble, dedicated and honest. I like his choice of the name Francis. I'm biased in favor of Jesuits, so that may be it.

    My family in South America is quite happy and excited to have a Latin American pope.

    ETA: St. Francis Xavier is also one of the founders of the Jesuit order
     
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  21. MacMadame

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    Jesuits can be cool. Though all the ones I know personal have been rather liberal.
     
  22. IceAlisa

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    These are serious accusations:
    What is that supposed to mean? :eek:

    Cardinal Bergoglio's life has just changed dramatically and forever. Being a Pope is an incredibly taxing job, physically and mentally. If you have a constitutional weakness or a latent condition, it could be aggravated. I hope not, though. Hope he takes good care of himself.
     
  23. Vagabond

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    According to :sekret:, he's been doing flawless 4S+3T+3R combinations in practice.
     
  24. Ziggy

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    That the Catholic Church has colluded with the military dictatorship in order to keep/advance its power. Shock horror who would have thought (it's happened pretty much everywhere wherever you had right wing authoritarian governments).
     
  25. IceAlisa

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    :rofl: Can he make it to fake London on time for the free skate?
     
  26. Allskate

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  27. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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  28. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    :rolleyes:
    Really now. Got any links from The Onion?
    Oh goody, we got ourselves a spy.
     
  29. Skittl1321

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    Liberal Jesuit seems to be an oxymoron...

    Though the only Jesuit I know personally was quite a wild child in his college days. Many of us think he entered the priesthood to reconcile his sinful "lifestyle choice"... His theology is very conservative now.
     
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  30. Vagabond

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    You must have lived a very sheltered life! Here's a famous example of a liberal Jesuit:

    Robert Drinan