Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Iceman, Jan 17, 2012.
Is Chan the only one skater who can beat a 29-year old multiple-injured Plushenko skating rather empty programs?
Clara Peters vs. Yu-Na Kim: Get Ready for a Skating Showdown.
If he's on, Plush will land his jumps. If he's off, Plush will land his jumps. If Chan does his zamboni act and beats Plush with two landed quads and no falls...the Russians aren't going to shrug their shoulders and move on.
But what shall Javier Fernandez do?
Hmm, I thought the waiver was for Euros only. Doesn't Plushenko need more surgery and likely won't be at Worlds this year?
That's what I understood: Euros only this year.
OK, I'm guessing that the "showdown" is between these two because it's a Canadian paper?
As far as the exception being given just for Euros, the article seems to say more.
Bolded text is my emphasis.
I really want Fernandez to win Euros and I think if he goes clean and maybe adds 2 quads in his SP, he can definitely do it!! As far as I understood, Plush will not do Worlds this year? A clean Plushenko vs. a Chan with 1 or 2 mistakes - I think Chan would still win.
If Plush competes at Euros then he wouldn't he have a minimum score and not need an exception to compete at Worlds?
Correct. However, it is unknown at this time if Plushenko definitely will compete at Worlds because...
From this December 30, 2011 UPI newswire article: http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2011...hampionships/UPI-42761325278325/?spt=hs&or=sn
I highly doubt it was ever in the plan to compete at Worlds, not this year. Euros they obviously feel confident enough he at least medal and if he doesn't win gold it´ll be because he needs surgery. I predict he won't be seen at Worlds and that we will be Javier in a few weeks
Gahh,this article just says nothing, I think the only skater who can beat CHan from now till Sochi is Takahashi or Kozuka with better pcs and if Fernandez keeps on podiums and his pcs rise, then Fernandez. Thats about all. I would want to add Hanyu please on the list.
Plus Plushenko wont go to Worlds this year, i dont know if he intends to but Mishin had an interview after RN and said he is no letting him go , for clear reasons I guess. Maybe he goes next year to help earn 3 places.
Are we seriously in 2012? Is Plushenko seriously still competing? This just feels unreal.
Is there really any contest? Plushenko may have been the best 8 years ago, but he's miles behind Chan in artistry, program content, musicality and pretty much every other department that doesn't involve jumping. And Chan's not exactly a bad jumper. Unfortunately, I doubt the judges will see it that way. If they gave Plushenko the Olympic silver in 2010 with his flailing footwork and programs that only would have been acceptable under the 6.0 system, who knows what they'll be willing to give him this time around. IMO, Chan, Dai, Kozuka and pretty much every man in the top 10 are better than Plushenko. What remains to be seen is how many the judges will let him beat.
His programs like are sooooooo not empty! They are actually packed with transitions that can only be seen with special 3-D glasses, the kind that only uber-fans like myself and Senorita have...
However, for a small fee and a life-long pledge of Plushyness, you too, can have a pair!
Me I dont see transitions in Plushy programs...
But then again I dont see artistry and musicality in Chan also.
And I said my opinion.
I know! Same that they gave Lysacek the gold also!
Yes, it sounds ridiculous, but one has to remember that Plushenko will get lots of reputation points. His scores are not going to show that his programmes are empty.
damn, does that mean he is connected on FSU ? (and who gave him rep btw ??)
Is Takahashi going to stay in through Sochi?
I can't believe Plushy is going to try and come back again next season after yet another surgery. (((Plushy's knees and ankles))) I'm beginning to think the guy has a masochistic streak in him (to match his sadistic streak of inflicting all those Mishin/Marton programs on us.)
I find it amusing after reading about how inflated Chan's scores are all season, I'm now reading how he's a wonderful skater, much better than Plushy, and Plushy is the one with inflated scores and that's the only way he'll beat Chan.
(I do realize it's probably not the same people saying these things about Chan, but it still amuses me.)
This is premature because only Euros is in the cards this year so grand prix season or worlds 2013 at the earliest and there are great others that have been mentioned.
There are plenty of young skaters out there now who can and should beat Plushy besides Patrick. I'm hoping Javier beats him at Euro's.
Oh, but it's much simplier than that!
You see, in the terms of scores inflation :
Chan > everybody else
Pluschenko > Chan
You see? So yes, Chan is overmarked compared to Takahashi and the likes, but compared to Pluschenko his marks are more than fair.
speaking of injured skaters who have been competing since dinosaur times, will Joubert be at Euros this year?
Chan is not so invincible I think.
Plushenko, Takahashi, Kozuka, Fernandez, Hanyu all have a shot at beating him even right now, and the last two's chances are bound to increase between now and Sochi, maybe Kozuka's too as he is still pretty young. Olympics are in Russia and we know the international judges aren't afraid to give Gatchinski huge marks when he skates well, so while he can't challenge Chan yet, I think he could come Sochi. Add to the list Brezina, who seems to have stagnated a bit this season, but has a huge 4s and 3a (and also 4t) and lots of room to grow. If he can get better programs and gain some more artistry and maturity, he could challenge Chan in a season or two as well. Song has no artistry at this point but his jumps speak for themselves and he is storming up the rankings recently, so who knows what could happen with that kid. I fear it's too late for Jeremy but he is scoring very, very well (at least from a PCS standpoint) this season so if he puts it all together, who knows.
Men's skating is at a really great point right now and I'm so excited to see what the next few years bring. I'm not really worried about international competitions becoming the Patrick Chan show because, well frankly Patrick has never been that consistent and is always a little trip-y, and there are so many great talents emerging in the meantime.
In singles skating no one is invincible.
It's an article in a Canadian paper so they will go with the Canadian angle.
Chan, or any skater, will have to deliver to beat Pluschenko. Not because I think Pluschenko is great but because the only skater Pluschenko didn't beat at his last major outing was the one who did deliver (Evan).
Yes. He'll be going for the outright record of medals earned at Euros. He currently has ten, a record he shares with Ulrich Salchow and Karl Schafer.
Everyone is missing the most important point of this article:
Chan has given an interview about a competitor in which he didn't sound like an egotistical ass.
I didnt know that. But I knew Joubert had some kind of record already!
So if Plushenko wins any medal he joins Salchow and Schafer and Joubert?
This is the whole Jurassic Park!
Joubert has won ten consecutive medals at Europeans, starting in his debut in 2002.
Plushenko has won nine medals including six gold, at Europeans. He, too, medalled in each European Championship he atttended with his debut in 1998.
I'm quite surprised this thread hasn't turned into a new fight over who should have won the gold in Vancouver. But it's never too late.
Who's she? I doubt that PJ Kwong would have written something like this as its sort of silly when you think about it.
Plushenko was never going to win the world tittle to begin with, though he sure has a chance of a medal at Europeans. Maybe a bronze or a silver.
Chan good day: falls once. Sometimes lands everything and skates clean.
Chan bad day: Falls three times including on simple forward stroking.
Plushenko good day: Lands everything and skates clean.
Plushenko bad day: Lands everything and skates clean.
No point having "glorious deep edges" if you can't stay upright on them. Just saying.
Beverly Smith has been covering figure skating for more than 20 years, mostly for the Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto. And unlike a lot of writers who are assigned to write stories about figure skating, she has taken the time to learn about the sport and to treat it seriously.
And no point in having transitions in your program because they just waste time in between jumps. Just saying.
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