Plushenko having back surgery to replace a disc

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  1. Nikki Lee

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    From the International Figure Skating facebook post this morning: "ESPN reported this morning that Evgeny Plushenko is having back surgery in Israel today to replace a deteriorated disk in his spine with a plastic one. He will not compete at Worlds."
  2. LilJen

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    Owwwwwww. His doctors will probably tell him not to skate again, but he'll be back attempting quads in 3-4 months.
  3. robinhood

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    Why in Israel? i thought he was going to Germany before...
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  5. Nikki Lee

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    Oh geez...I made a terrible error in the title of this thread. It should read "disc replaced"....NOT vertebra.
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    Sorry, but IMO, he's crazy to skate again. :(
  8. Twilight1

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    Having just had back surgery myself... Plushenko is crazy to think he will be healed enough so he can compete next year in Sochi. He is older, it takes longer to heal and the amount of pressure required to do quads on his back, is just going to bugger him worst. Never mind the potential for being paralyzed.

    Sorry to say but he should just hang his skates. Let himself heal and then do shows.
  9. DimaToe

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    :wall: Plushenko has been in more surgeries than actual competitions this quadrennial, I get it that he likes to compete and wants to be on home olympic ice (plus the push from the Russian fed) but he has already done so much in this sport. I think that he should start thinking about his health and how it can affect his life after skating. I mean if he skates again he could get re injured and next time it could not all get all solved with just a surgery. Every ones body has A limit. I think Plushenko reached his a while ago, now he's just pushing his luck, I hope that he can have a life after skating that doesn't involve life long physical therapy and pain :(
  10. sk9tingfan

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    ITA. i used to care for quads, paras and other neurologically-affected patients. Call me crazy, but wh knows what extreme degree of external pressure is being exerted.
  11. giselle23

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    Plushy has made his point, for better or worse--male skaters need to do the quad to win. I can't see him coming back again. But it doesn't matter because, love him or hate him, he is a figure skating legend.
  12. danceronice

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    He's going to be a crippled figure-skating legend if he doesn't get read the writing on the wall and QUIT. If he's thinking of competing, he's crazy. If his federation and coaches are pushing him to do it so Russia can have a 'legend' at Sochi, they're criminals. What on Earth does he possibly have to prove?
  13. rfisher

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    Actually, with this particular type of surgery, the odds that he can continue skating are fairly good. That would not be the situation with the older spinal fusion option. If there are no complications, he should have normal function and be pain free. The procedure is fairly new, but is expected to become the standard. His long term prognosis is unknown. Not because of skating but because of the materials used in the surgery. The procedure hasn't been aroung long enough to know how well the patient will do 10-15 years out which is the same for all patients. Our hospital has done several with very good immediate results.

    This is truely a wait and see situation. The recovery will be much faster than a spinal fusion. I wish him well. If this surgery continues to be a success (it was only approved in the US about 4 years ago but has a longer history and study in Europe), it may change the life of many people who suffer from low back pain.

    And, there is a huge difference in having an intervertebral disc replaced and having a vertebra replaced. :)
  14. BittyBug

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    I hope he has a full and speedy recovery. :plush:
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    I wish Plushenko would realize there is a lot of value in passing your skills on to the next generation. He could coach and skate in shows- he doesn't have to leave the ice forever, but his body clearly can't take the pounding of being a competitive skater.


    I have a 3 level spinal fusion (I broke my neck in an accident), and the thing I worry most about it (other than the hole in my spinal cord that has to be monitored for growth paralyzing me) is the degeneration on the levels above and below the fusion. Plushenko may be able to be pain free (I am, and lost only like 2 degrees of my range of motion) but he needs to worry about damage he is doing on parts of the body near his 'fixes'. I know a fusion is different from a disc replacement, but all these things are unnatural and have risks. He has been in and out of various surgeries for years now. It takes a toll. You can't give up your life, I took up skating after I broke my neck, but if you were an elite athlete, you have to pull back. He clearly has huge competitive drive- maybe he can find something else to compete in? Curling? Triathalons?
  16. GarrAarghHrumph

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    Thanks for this helpful information. I hope it works out well for him, and irregardless of whether he returns to skating, he can have less pain in his life.
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    I wish him a complete recovery, whether he competes/skates again, or not.
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    +1

    (But if his doctors advise him to lay off the jumping, permanently, I hope he does so. I'd hate to see him crippled.)
  19. peibeck

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    I had to look up this type of surgery yesterday after reading about him having it scheduled, because it is apparently so new in the U.S. I was unfamiliar with it. I looked up a study on athletes who have had it, and what worried me most was the athletes who self reported limitations after the surgery. The highest percent of limitation was in jumping (nearly a 1/3 of the athletes) and rotation (by about 1/4 of the athletes). Obviously both are necessary for high level skating. :(

    The "plus" side of the article was that recovery generally ranges from 2-6 weeks as compared to a year for fusion surgery, so long as there is no nerve damage.

    Regardless of what his doctors recommend, I truly think Plushenko is self-driven to compete for that Sochi spot. If he is able to be pain free that will be wonderful; if he's able to be pain free and continue skating, that is the bonus. He's definitely a legend in the sport already regardless.
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    I hope the best for him.
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    Maybe Mrs. Plushenko will finally put her foot down. He has kids and needs to be responsible. Nobody can take his acheivements away from him and it's more than possible that no one can even repeat them. Enough is enough.

    A speedy recovery, Plush! May you lead a long and healthy life.
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    Thank you very much. I am relieved a little! Now I googled of this kind of surgery. Still ain't sure if this surgery is really safe because it is, as I understand, very new treatment and actually I didn't see whether if the sites that I saw was ad or good. Can he jump like before? I want to see him at show at least until he will be 35 :slinkaway
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    Yes, I agree with you. I'm worried because of his plan, he wants to compete in Sochi. I also would like to see him in many shows!! I really don't understand. This is a new treatment, who knows what will be in the future?
  24. BittyBug

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    Isn't she the one who urged him to return to competition last year?
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    While never a Plushenko fan myself I admire what he's done and I don't wanna see anyone endanger their health and well being. Give it up, you have nothing to prove, accept it and move on, it's not worth it. Someone is trying to tell you somethng. That said I wish him all the best in whatever he choose to do.
  26. Carolla5501

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    This all sounds great but
    (A) None of us have a clue what we are talking about. We are not his doctor and don't know his conditon
    (B) None of us have his ego.

    Combination of A and B will, IMHO, decide things. I just hope A gets more weight then B, but considering his coach's statements.....
  27. rfisher

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    The surgery is safe enough. There is always the possibility of complications with any surgery. The issue is the durabilty of the artifical discs. That is an unknown. As to whether or not Plushenko is able to compete, that simply remains to be seen. If there are no complications with the surgery itself, it will be up to him.
  28. lala

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    No, you know nothing. Yana is very smart and strong woman, who helped a lot Plushy, and she really loves him. In december Yana and Plushy's mother didn't want that he competes at Rus Nat, but Plushy wanted. And in ECH 2012,Yana wanted Plushy's withdrawal, but Plushy didn't, and as we know he won.
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    Plush has always been my favorite, and I love to watch him compete, but I totally agree with what you are saying. :(
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    This has nothing to do with his ego. :confused: I don't know his all reasons why he wants to compete, but one of them is the Olympic games will be held in home country.. And his personality needs to his unrepeatable career. A weak personality would have remained in Volgograd in 1993, and he never would have been this incomparable athlete.
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    He did say that she was the one who encouraged his comeback in 2010. Perhaps she didn't know the monster she created if she wanted him to back off since then.
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    Yes, that's true, she was the one who advised him to return, and she was who said him every day in 2009, "you can do it, you can do it", when Plushy almost gave up the struggle to his weight and fatigue. And that was a good advise, don't you think? Every succesful men has a strong and smart wife.
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    I'm quite sure I know at least something. ;)

    I meant last season (not literally last year, as in 2012). So as you've confirmed, it was in fact his wife who originally prompted him to return to competition.
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    Latest Reuters article with quotes by Mishin: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/31/figure-skating-plushenko-idUSL4N0B07RS20130131
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    That sounds awful! Synthetic disc. If he ever wants to compete again he's got a year of recovery and training time but still like wow.
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    Just in case, having a strong ego isn't necessarily a bad, negative thing lala ;) Actually, I'd go as far as saying that it's a trait shared by a majority of great champions - you need a dose of egoism, you need to be somewhat (or very) self-centered in order to push single-mindedly for excellence (although I am sure that, as with every generality, there are exceptions ;))

    I wish Plushenko all the best with his recovery and that he can get back to where he wants to be, be it in his daily life or in competition, should he chose (and be able to) return
  37. ChelleC

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    I wish him a speedy recovery from the surgery.
  38. Mayra

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    I'm fascinated by it. As rfisher pointed out above, this is still a new procedure in the US and it appears to be less limiting(in regards to post op range of motion) than a spinal fusion or laminectomy etc. Regardless of whether he returns competitively to the ice, this procedure sounds like something he would need just to live comfortably and relatively pain free on a day to day basis, never mind ice shows and what not.

    Here's hoping for full recovery! :cheer2:
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    Pain free would be an unfamiliar condition, and I hope he gets it.
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    One of my cousins, who is himself a doctor, had surgery in Spain last year to replace one of his degenerated discs with a synthetic one. I don't know if this was the same surgery, but it helped him a lot and the recovery was easier than with any procedure he would have had done in the U.S. His insurance would not cover any of the cost, but he had been in such pain he went ahead and had the surgery anyway. Hopefully Plushenko will make a good recovery, whether he tries to skate again or not.