Plushenko Fan Thread - Road to Sochi

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  1. leapfrogonice

    leapfrogonice Active Member

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    Oh I hope we get to seep pictures and videos from this weekend's Russian test skates. Please please please :biggrinbo
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    I bet Plush won't skate this weekend.
  3. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I thought this weekend's test skates were Juniors? In which case, we would definitely not see Plushy.
  4. lala

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    LOL! Definitely. :lol: But if I right remember this weekend will perform Sotnikova, Kovtun, Bazarova-Larionov... on a testskate...
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  7. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    He is simply incredible! :respec:

    Is Mishin helping with him jumps or choreography here? :rofl:
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    Excellent! Bionic!
  9. lala

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    I thought something like you...What Mishin is doing?
  10. misskarne

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    He's flying! Obviously.

    A quad toe. With a replacement vertebra in his back. Can we call him certifiably insane yet? :eek:
  11. skateboy

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    Wow! The guy really is superhuman.
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    Wow, he is in pretty great shape! I think Johnny Weir was right...Plushy will be at the Olympics and deliver.

    I just hope he doesn't overdo the training/too soon? How long ago was his back surgery?
  13. lala

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    The surgery was at 31. 01. 2013.
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    Plushenko News_Eng ‏@PlushenkoNews

    Translation today's russian TV reportage from Plushenko's training: http://evgeni-plushenko.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=191&p=79565#p79565

    Evgeni Plushenko ‏@EvgeniPlushenko 13h

    Ласточки живут у меня на доме (Swallows live in my house ) http://twitter.com/EvgeniPlushenko/status/369498508702670849/photo/1

    Evgeni Plushenko ‏@EvgeniPlushenko 13h

    На рыбалке (On fishing ) http://twitter.com/EvgeniPlushenko/status/369498152333615104/photo/1 He is so happy:)
  15. Vash01

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    What an athlete! I am speechless. Keeping my fingers crossed that he stays healthy this entire season.
    Thanks for the link, Lala!
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    That's exactly my concern too. He has a history of ignoring doctor's advice, and either skating too soon or too much. I hope he will be prudent in his practices and comes to the Olympics in top shape.
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    Plushenko News_Eng ‏@PlushenkoNews 2h

    RT @JohnnyGWeir: Such beautiful news! Come on Zhenya! @EvgeniPlushenko @yanarudkovskaya http://www.1tv.ru/news/sport/239879 (https://twitter.com/JohnnyGWeir/status/370759087681593344)

    Plushenko News_Eng ‏@PlushenkoNews 2h

    RT @EvgeniPlushenko: thank you Johnny!!! https://twitter.com/EvgeniPlushenko/status/370769524347666432

    ;)

    Plushenko News_Eng ‏@PlushenkoNews 2h

    RT @yanarudkovskaya: Sasha today met with the girl Sophia! She's older than him for 3 days!)http://instagram.com/p/dUVQo6FSJF/#
  18. Cherub721

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    I guess most have seen this, but I wanted to repost this info on Plushy's new programs from Eislauffan:
    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-Axels-again&p=3980715&viewfull=1#post3980715
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  22. Cherub721

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    Nice to see some English-speaking media about him!

    I'm kind of looking forward to this now, even though I still miss the Saint-Saens LP. I wonder what he'll use for his 18 year old program. He has a good perspective on life and his career.

    He should have a backup plan if he misses CoR. Someone said in the other forum that he needs to achieve the mininum score again. The one from 2012 is too old. He can make the Olympic score at Euros, but he needs to make the Euros score at an international. Please Plush and Mishin be on top of the rules this year...
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  23. Vash01

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    A thought just occurred to me. Is there anyone on Plushy's team that keeps track of ALL the rules and regulations? I don't mean just the scoring system. My feeling is that neither Plush nor Mishin is into rules, or they are so entrenched into the old rules (again, not just the scoring system) that they may have difficulty keeping up. It may be smart to get on their team that is well versed in this area- whether that person knows much about the techniques in FS or not. I just hope he does not miss out on the opportunity to skate and do well in Sochi just because they missed out on one minor detail.
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  25. caseyedwards

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    There isnt any depth in Russian mens skating but Russia certainly didn't help its case by sending a jr who got 5th place in Russian nationals to worlds lol. So now there is only one spot - plushenko's.
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    In retrospect, sending Kovtun to worlds last year seems like a blunder. They must have overestimated him.
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    They did overestimate him! They also certainly underestimated the whole time difference in free skates. It's 30 seconds longer in seniors and that mentally harmed in EUros with the 4 combos for some reason? and Physically in worlds with the total physical collapse. So now Russia has one spot and it's all their fault.
  28. caseyedwards

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    I think they do as even in Vancouver he reached level 4 in spins. Level 3 in steps. How can you reach levels if you dont know the rules? A big problem is proper program design to maximize values. Plushenko has gone back to 3 jump combo. But they always knew of the existence of three jump combos. But maybe they learned 3-2-2 were allowed after Vancouver. Or they didn't want to do anything but 4-3-2. Stubbornness was a big problem. Old system talk? Get over old system talk!! Ignoring 2008 2009 worlds was wrong.
  29. Cherub721

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    Ugh don't get me started on that... why couldn't he have stuck a 2loop somewhere in there. Two time freaking Olympic gold medalist he would be. I think he thought doing a quad after two quadless winners was enough, and I do think his Vancouver performances were enough, but he should have seen the writing on the wall after the SP. His problem was in his mind, if Lysacek doesn't land the quad and the quad guys don't skate clean, I do one quad; if someone goes clean with a quad then I do the second quad. But he didn't need another quad, just needed to add a 2loop to one of his jumps... oh the poor planning makes me insane.
  30. caseyedwards

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    I don't think he's ever been asked not just why he didn't Didnt do 3 jump combo at the Olympics but never did one that whole season anywhere?!? Not at COr, Russian nats, euros anywhere?? Did he really think he would fall or ur it?
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    I know, right? :rofl: The guy is practicing 3axel-4toe and forgets the 3-2-2... I don't think anyone ever asked but I was so happy when Camerlango acknowledged in one of the articles that Plushy knew that had been a mistake so hopefully it won't happen again. He shouldn't have been thinking in that linear quad/no quad manner but making sure he milked all the points then added the quad. The other ****ed up thing was at Nationals that year he popped his first 3axel so he ended up doing the 3axel in the second half of the program. So his "mistake" program actually could've had a higher base value than his planned program. :duh: He easily could've moved one or two of his easier triples right after the halfway point... didn't someone say that his last jump in his program was actually later than Lysacek's last jump, only Lysacek had more jumps in the second half? I hate that CoP is more about who can crunch numbers than who has the ability, but it's on Plushy/Mishin for not having an expert give him some options for layouts that maximized points.
  32. caseyedwards

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    Because plushenkos program was structured the way it was he didn't start jumps at exactly 2:15 like everyone else but actually later so he had jumps later but fewer jumps with bonus because he was not 3/5. And he was the only one who did two quad triples so a double loop "meaningless!" I guess. Should have been right but wasn't. Just goes to show you really must follow the trends in what's getting most value!! not something like if someone isn't doing a quad They're leaving points on the table when they actually weren't!! So followIng rules and trends is of the utmost importance !

    This also means new sp rule of halfway point bonus! So he should be like most and have 2/1 jump layout in his sp!
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    Oh yeah I forgot about the new SP halfway bonus. It really doesn't make sense to me if the idea is you get more points for doing jumps after the 2:15 mark in the LP when you're so tired. The SP is less than 3 minutes anyway, so nobody should be all that winded by 1:25 or whatever the cutoff is.
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    Logically it does not make sense since the SP is only 2:40 min long. However, we often see skaters doing their jumps & jump combinations first, then relax rest of the way in the SP. Quite possibly the ISU wants to encourage them to spread the jumps across.

    I still don't like the rule. Too many rules ruin programs. JMO.
  36. ciocio

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    Unfortunately I don't like Mishin and Plushenko's approach when it comes to the rules and I really hope it is not the same that some of his fans have, "rules are stupid, let's ignore them". :(:scream:
    Plushy's teams (and espeacially Mishin) also did mistakes in 2002, before the Olys, but in 2006 everything went well. Maybe this year will be a good year too, 2012 and 2013 LP were already improved compared to the 2010 one. Actually SP scares me more than the LP because in 2010 Evgeni lost a lot of points in the SP. Short Program is very important, as we all have seen this year at Worlds.
    I can't belive they don't have/can't find an expert, they could ask a fan to help them, there are a lot of FS followers who know the rules very, very well.
  37. misskarne

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    There's no retrospect. The guy was FIFTH at Russian Nationals. Logic says send Plushenko, Voronov, and Menshov to Euros and then let them decide about Worlds. Not, skip the third and fourth places guys entirely for an unproven Junior...
  38. ciocio

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    It was Tarasova politicking, :TT1:, I don't think the Federation trusted him more than they were trusting Voronov or Menshov.
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    If that's really the case, shame on Tarasova for not thinking of Russia's spots in the Sochi Olympics.
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    I think it was amazing that Tarasova's politics was able to keep Kovtun out of the Russia Cup Final so he was never tested at all after Euros. From Euros to Worlds nothing. Gachinski, Voronov, Menshov were all the Russia cup final and Kovtun was allowed to skip it. LOL can Tarasova get Kovtun to the Olympics regardless of all results if Plushenko doesn't win and he's not second?