Plushenko: Chan Does Not Deserve World Title

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  1. lala

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    Do you want to say, Plisetskaya don't know what is the art?????

    ps. : I adore Dmitri Hvorostovsky :) fantastic baritone :)
     
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  2. GoGreen

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    Sure, everyone can judge the "judgement and taste" of Maya Plisetskaya on an internet board, its free for all! :lol:
     
  3. Eyre

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    Who cares?! This is what should be called "irrelevant"!

    Do you mean that Plushenko has no clothes? No one has ever called Patrick Chan "Emperor", not even his craziest fans, I believe. Only Plushenko has been called "King". Yeah, you partly right. I think Plushenko is taking off his King's clothes by making fool of himself. He came off like a small hearted revenger. Calling it a politicking win? Doesn't he have any better ideas like something might be wrong about the scoring system?! Right, he's not that familiar with the IJS. That's the reason that he and his team have been struggling on making CoP friendly programs season after season. Well, to be honest, he might be finally starting to understand something about transitions since last year.

    As of Chan's win, it was an unfortunate win. No one wants it, neither Patrick Chan nor his fans. But he didn't take it. It was handed to him. Ten was simply not good enough in the judges's eyes. If you want to blame, blame the judging system. If the system could be tweaked better, it'll be great! It is wrong to jump on top of the skater or the federation.
     
  4. ItalianFan

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    In my book, someone who sacrifices his life to a goal and pursues his sport with the passion Plushenko does, has abundantly earned respect. The same way he has spoken of other elite skaters with respect, even Zags his fiercest rival.
     
  5. lala

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    Yeah! :p I answered to GoGreen ;) I showed to him/her..
     
  6. screech

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    This all reminds me of when Jeff Buttle didn't make the world team but won 4CC in 2004 after a very very crappy program. He knew he didn't skate well but his reply was something like "I'm going to look at it as if I got a raise at my job. I don't know why I got the raise, but I'm sure as hell going to prove that I deserve it." (and he won his first national title and the world silver the next year).

    I think Patrick will have the same mindset. He's probably happy to have the title and knows it wasn't his best skate by any shot. But he's going to try to prove himself.
     
  7. lala

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    Yes, sometimes the people think if they don't know something, it does not exist ...
     
  8. Eyre

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    So you posted it in this thread. But you don't want anyone other than GoGreen to comment on it. In that case, there is a place called "PM".;)
     
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    Buttle won that title because the ordinals for the other skaters were all over the place. He knew he was gifted because of a crazy algorithm.
     
  10. lala

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    Thank you for your information :duh: . How can I forget this? :lol: Dear Eyre, I hope you calmed down.. you was like a fury yesterday ;)
     
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  11. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Épaulement!!!

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    Sacrifices his life? Dear skategods, I hope not.
     
  12. overedge

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    Thanks to this thread, I think we now know why Chan skated to "I Need A Dollar" for his gala performance. Skate Canada told him to go out and collect money to offset the cost of the :sekret: :bribe: they shelled out so that he would win.
     
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  13. Eyre

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    :) Yeah, I was. Mainly at Plushenko.:p
     
  14. ciocio

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    Ok, so are we talking about 2013 WCh or about Plushenko's skating?:rolleyes:
    I don't care if Maya Plisetskaya likes him or not, or if the Bolshoi choreographer likes him or not or fi Eyre likes him or not. Judges liked him during all his career and they awarded him a looottt of gold medals. It's obvious he had everything a skater needs. :p

    Ok now back to Worlds, D10 is young and he will have a bright future. And Chan needs a coach.:slinkaway
     
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    It's quite easy to :lol: at Plisetskaya's taste when she thinks Alonso's "Carmen" is a masterwork :p
     
  16. lala

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    :lol: OK.
     
  17. Aussie Willy

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    People can sacrifice their lives for whatever reason or cause. Doesn't necessarily mean they earn respect. It has to be earnt. I think Plushenko has done his fair share of things in the past that have lessened the respect people have for him. For example demonstrating very poor sportsmanship after Olympics such as the things he said about why he didn't win or his antics on the podium at Vancouver. But then it is all about perceptions and what one might think is justified others will consider it disrespectful.
     
  18. rfisher

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    Plushenko rules!

    Just thought the Plushy ubers were being outnumbered and needed some help. :D He has more haterz than Chan has fans.
     
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    Who cares. But of course Canadians are just as guilty as receiving gifts as the bloody Russians not to bloody mention manufacturing a so called crisis over the 2002 pairs results. Everyone knows Canadians skating at home are going to get some sort of advantage and for people to suggest otherwise is bloody stupid. That Virtue & Moir lost to Davis & White is meaningless because Davis & White have been better this year. Also don't play some stupid innocent act and suggest no bloc voting took place for North American skaters. Russians only were advantaged most of the time because they had more on their side of the judging panel.
     
  20. overedge

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    Wow, did some Canadians steal your maple syrup or something?
     
  21. Holley Calmes

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    I'm the first to adore most Russian skaters, but this is spot on. I think poor Plushy grew up very isolated from normal life, and I think he behaves often very childishly. I am not saying he is a bad person or eville or anything silly like that. I just think he can be very immature for someone his age and visibility in the world. I feel very sorry for him. After his skating life is done, I wonder how he will adjust? Then again, he had a right to say whatever he felt like saying. We have the right to either like it or not. I think a real gentleman would have kept his mouth shut and just let his skating do the talking for him next time the two of them meet up. I guess that's asking too much.
     
  22. GoGreen

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    :lol: Very true. Probably one caveat with the statement, at this particular message board.

    Whenever you see the name Plushenko, sure there will be a crowd! :D


    Very puzzling statement. So anyone who will not compete with Chan in the next competition cannot comment on the results of Worlds, which is the most important figure skating competition of the year?
     
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  23. bek

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    One expects to see some hometown favoritism, but it use to be that you still had to well skate decently.. The new system throws that out the window. I want to make clear with my snarky post before. I think Chan is a beautiful skater. But I don't enjoy watching any skater fall multiple times.

    I'm far more annoyed at the judges and the folks who are defending Chan's win. Than I'm at Chan. Although Chan making comments like Denis made as many mistakes as he did, doesn't endear me to him either.
     
  24. Twilight1

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    I can't stand Plushenko and can't believe that I agree with him that Chan should not have gotten the marks he got. I love Chan's skating. Him,Takahashi, Hanyu, and Buttle skate amazing when they are on. The edges, the flow, the transitions, the musicality of their programs are sublime.

    Plushenko, Stojko, Joubert, Reynolds are jumping beans that don't really focus on the artistic part of skating but I can't negate that this is a sport so while the Canuck in me is happy that Chan won gold. Silver would have been cool too.

    No matter what the placement for Chan was here, 1st to 3rd ( IMHO he deserved to be on the podium), Canada had a very successful world's so that was all I cared about.

    I chalk Chan's win like Hamilton in Sarajevo. Or Witt in Calgary. If figures hadn't been in the sport, Orser would have won in 1984 and Manley would have won in 1988.

    Ten would have won if it had been just the LP in 2013.

    If anything I hope this fires up Chan. If he wins in Sochi with that...gawd help us all.
     
  25. Aussie Willy

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  27. gingercrush

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    I am too cheap to buy real maple syrup.
     
  28. Holley Calmes

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    Oh my, no. I guess our language differences are skewing the way you are interpreting me. What I am saying is that a more admirable behavior would be to be silent and just let my own skating - against whomever-do the talking for me. I think Plushy feels threatened by Chan because Chan has had a lot of success lately whether anyone thinks he has deserved it or not. If Plushenko can keep his health intact for Sochi, it will be quite the story, a head to head battle between the 2. It's just typical competitive BS trash talk. Athletes do it all the time. But since so many are relagating Plushneko to Godlike status, I was hoping he would also show more class, but then.....well, he is who he is. Not a bad guy, just certainly not a God. Quite human in fact. I think I like that better than him being some sort of idol of perfection.
     
  29. bek

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    I don't think Plushenko feels threatened by Chan. Plushenko is on record saying he doesn't think Gold is possible in Sochi... I think Plushenko is frankly saying what he thinks, that Chan didn't earn this win.

    Its not like Chan's never criticized Plushenko. I'm not sure what Plushenko would be threatened about. I think Plushenko understands his own abilities and what is possible not possible.
     
  30. ltnskater

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    Michelle Kwan! :slinkaway