Plushenko back in training: landing quad toes & triple Axels again

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    What is sad about it? He has a passion, goals. He puts his heart & soul (and body) into it. His life has a purpose, a direction. How many people can confidently say that?
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    Even though Plushy had great potential at that point, I think Urmanov would have made the team, because he was the defending Oly champ and he was skating really great at that time (his SP was wonderful). It would have come down to two spots out of three skaters- Kulik, Yagudin, Plushenko. Since the first two had already won world medals at that point, and they did not know (yet) how great Plushenko was going to be, I think Kulik and Yagudin would have gotten the two spots.
  3. Eislauffan

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    New interview with Evgeni Plushenko here: http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/11164.html
    Keypoints:
    - FS is "Best of Plushenko", a selection of music he has used in former programs. He names "Godfather", "Adagio", "Tosca", "Tango Amore". When I was at the training camp in Italy I also heard "Sheherazade" and "Tango de Roxanne", but I don't know if that was the final version of the music. I thought that this idea is actually cool, although I usually don't like if too many music pieces are mixed together
    - he is in Sotchi at the training camp but not sure if he will take part in the test skate due to a minor foot problem and also because he needs to be careful with his back
    - he hopes to compete at Cup of Russia (Grand Prix in Moscow), Russian Nationals, European Championships and Olympic Games
    - he knows that he will have to skate the team event as well and is ready for it. But he said if he is not healthy enough to compete four programs in Sotchi he will not go to the Olympic Games as he doesn't want to let down his team. Then a younger skater should go and compete.
  4. rfisher

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    Thanks Eislauffan. I wish him well and hope he is able to compete. I admire his determination and would love to see him meet this last milestone in a long career. It would be a remarkable story of a remarkable athlete.
  5. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Actually, just thinking of those four pieces of music especially, if Edvin rearranges them (which I have no doubt he will), it may actually work very well. All but Adagio is Edvin's work so surely they will be able to put them together nicely...Edvin may even make an arrangement to play straight through so there won't be any choppy edits.
  6. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Aww, that's nice.

    I wish he would just keep the Saint-Saens LP. It was only competed at Nationals and the Japan Open. It was a beautiful program and the music was cohesive. The greatest hits idea sounds fun and I think I'd enjoy it, but I'm a fan, and think it might turn off non-fans.
  7. lala

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    You are right. :D They will attack him..no doubt.:lol:
  8. Eislauffan

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    They would attack Plushenko no matter what he skates to or what he does. ;-) All skaters have fans and haters, and the haters always will find something to criticise.
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  9. ItalianFan

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    I would be literally flabbergasted if Plushenko were to cold bloodedly decide he wasn't capable of 4 performances and hand his Olympic spot over to someone else without a try. It's totally out of character. Let's hope such a scenario never comes to be!

    PS I read Chan is also doing a greatest hits FP!
  10. alilou

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    Chan is skating to Vivaldi's Four Seasons
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    Even if he couldn't complete a competition as late as Euros I don't think he would drop out unless it was totally impossible for him to recover by the Olympics. It would have be something really unfortunately catastrophic! But I also think if that bad thing happened he'd try to bargain for his favorite skater to replace him whoever that would be!
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    The sad thing is that he doesn't seem to be able to find any other pleasures in life. There is nothing wrong with having the passion he has, certainly not. So many athletes are lacking that kind of passion. However, he's not doing his body a favor, whether or not he takes the training easy. He's had multiple surgery, he's putting the strain of quads once again on his body... He might be okay with it now but in ten years it might be a whole different picture. There simply comes a time when you need to stop and move on, you need to know when it's time to let go, and he doesn't seem to be able to do that because he doesn't seem to know what else to do in life. That is the impression that statement gives.
  13. caseyedwards

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    He says he gets joys from many things but why let the main joy wither away and abandon it while it's still possible! Even if it's only possible through major surgery. He's already had major surgery in 2005 pre Turin.
  14. Vash01

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    IIRC Liz Manley skated a 'greatest hits' type LP in the 1988 Olys. Those were her favorite pieces of music, not necessarily the ones she had skated to. It worked out fine. However, for Plushenko I would have liked something like his Nijinski program. I will be happy with whatever music he skates to, as long as he is able to skate 4 programs (and skate well) during the Olympics.
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    :rofl: I bet you don't know too much about him. He enjoys his life. He has four sons, two own boys, and his wife also has two boys. http://instagram.com/p/daCGqPFSB-/# http://instagram.com/p/dbm8iHFSOl/# I said, he is -not only the one of the most recognizable, beloved athletes in Russia- celebrity. ( he won the "Google Trendy Award 2010" for "Athlete of the Year search with Google", he won the "Russian elite sportman" , he beat soccer players, Sharapova,Klichko, Isinbaeva etc. in 2010, Top 20 Russian elite people 2010 : he was 14th, the only one athlete on the list, and Athlete of the year 2012, ) His beautiful wife is also very famous. They are part of the Russian show business, Plushy could work in it, if he wants. http://www.eg.ru/daily/gallery/11238/41963/ http://instagram.com/p/dcSBmjj9yi/# He has enough money he can do whatever he wants. Plushy adores the other sports, his life is about sports. When he doesn't skate he is playing soccer, tennis, his new love is the golf. He competed in some unprofessional races. He said an interview in last year, he would like to compete in Rio like the Russian golf player. But probably he won't, because after Sochi he wants to be coach. He is a graduate coach.
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  16. Vash01

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    How do you know he doesn't derive pleasure from his family- his wife, his son(s)? How do you know he doesn't enjoy certain foods? You are drawing conclusions based on one statement, and that's not right.

    About his body- it's HIS body and he is the only one (besides his doctors) that can make decisions about it. How do YOU know that it's time for him to let go? It's his life, not yours.
  17. Buzz

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    I have aways been a Plushy fan and I wish him all the best in Sochi although it makes me cringe when I think of the effect competitive skating is going to have on his back and knees.
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    Sad maybe for people who do not have a real goal in their life. Even if he will retire from the competitive world soon, he can still perform in shows and he said he will start coaching after his retirement. He has great passion for figure skating and for sports in general. He has his ideas and vision for the future of Sports in Russia. He dreams opening his own figure skating school. Can you say these are all because he can not move on? This is devotion which many people are lacking of.

    As for his body, I would just say, only Plushenko himself can justify whether it is worth it going through all these surgeries and potential risks in the future. Great achievement demands greater sacrifices. He would not achieve so much if he was afraid of risk things.
  19. l'etoile

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    There're simply no words to describe Plushy.
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    misunderstood a quote from twitter in the patrick uber thread....re tribute to former coach colson and how it would be his "greatest hits"
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    That is probably why most athletes are not as decorated as he, and, if he continues to feel this way, then he should be competing, not retiring.

    . . . and I am not a Plushy fan for the most part, although I think it is great that he is actually starting to make more use of his skating skills in his choreography.
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  24. Sylvia

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    That seems to be the purpose and method of the "NBC OlympicTalk" blog by Nick Zaccardi - Olympic-related stories are summarized from other articles published online.

    Here's the link to the AFP article from August 28 that translated/summarized the original Russian article on Plushenko: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...e-skating-plushenko-seeks-top-finish-at-sochi
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    Has anyone seen a consistent source of translations - from Russian to English - of media coverage and blogs about Russian skaters? I would think especially during the run up into a first-ever-to-be-hosted-in-Russia Olympics, that there would be plenty written, including about top contenders.

    Here's to hoping there IS or WILL BE some blogger who can be helpful in this regard. I find the whole Russian "machine" and this comeback of such an iconic champion like Plushenko, to be simply fascinating.
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    I would have braught that back too,

    You know what ? I bet Plushenko wanted to bring it back too,
    But then Putin heard about it, and gave Mishin a call reminding him that Nijinsky was GAYYYYYYYYYY and oh my god think of the children etc... ;)
  27. DreamSkates

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    I just hope that if he goes to the Olympics he'll have a truly artistic program - and not just thrashing around. I admire is his athleticism and abilities and his desire to compete at such a high level again. I say go for it! It will make all other competitors work harder!
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    I´ve never been a fan of his skating, but I come to admire him so much :respec:I hope he remains healthy and brings his best at the Olympics.
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    What is the probability that Plush won't get the one spot Russia has?
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  30. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I think a lot of it depends on his body.

    He will always jump well if his body holds up, he still pulls decent PCS, and his overwhelming mental strength will always have him ahead of the younger guys.

    But Plushenko is also being realistic about this season, too. He knows his body might not make it. He's already said that if he doesn't feel he can do four programs to the best of his ability (remember, he would have to do the team event!) then he would step aside and let one of the others take it.
  31. Frau Muller

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    Not sure if this was already pointed out but...With regard to Pushy's new LP "Best of Pluschenko," did you realize that he is not the first past-Olympic star to skate a 'greatest hits-greatest moves' program at a later Olympics? Guess who? Torvill & Dean, that's who. Their 1994 comeback FD was titled 'Face the Music' but the choreography in the final (Olympics) version threw in a bunch of famous moves from various old FDs that fans could recognize, such as the 'chugging train' move from their 1982 Mack & Mabel FD or the 'trapeze' slides from their 1983 Barnum.

    Sorry, Pluschenko - the 'Best of...' style program has already been done in Olympic competition.
  32. lala

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    Yes, you are right, plus Elizabeth Manley 1988 FS. But this is Mishin's idea, Plush really didn't want it.
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  33. Frau Muller

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    That is a shame. The T&D 1994 FD was changed several times -- from Nationals to Euros to Olys. The Oly version was the one packed with old steps and moves, one after the other. I found it tacky and crazy. The Euros version, one month earlier -- which WON Europeans -- was much better & original. I thought that Liz Manley just used one old piece of music ('A Canadian Concerto') from the past, in the middle of her 'Irma La Douce' program...or was 'Irma' also from an old prog? Many people have done that - use one or two cuts of music from the past. But what T&D did in 94 was ridiculous, IMO: to jam-pack it with old highlight 'tricks,' one after the other. I hope that Plushy/Mishin aren't planning to do this.
  34. lala

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    I also hope they won't do that.

    Journalist:Is it easier to prepare such a program? After all, you did it earlier.
    Plush: On the contrary - even more difficult. We are doing everything new! And it's important to get at least no worse than it was - in my best programs. But it's even more interesting. Naturally, we modify, invent, and insert new elements. One can not simply add up parts of all programs, all the pieces of choreography, which I once performed - and get a new program. It's just not possible! Figure skating is going forward in terms of transitions, glide, spins. And I have to be in step with it