Pj's all-time top 10: Ladies

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  1. clara00

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  2. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting. I love PJ's writing and she has a great sense of humour.
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    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    A mix of best ever and good stories
  4. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    With the emphasis on Canadians and good stories, I'm surprised Joannie Rochette didn't make the list.
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    I would have put Joannie in instead of Karen M. Yes, the emphasis on Canadians, but then that is PJ's main audience. It would be quite the competition that's for sure.
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  6. DimaToe

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    she has her right to her opinion, but no Tara?, Mao? Kristi? Rochette? Slutskaya? Lynn? Owen? Colledge? Anybody else? 3 Canadian Ladies in that list of 10...yeah.... Honestly the fact that Hughes is on that list (nothing against, just not top 10 ) and the ladies I mentioned are not, it just seems like a list to please Canadians. :slinkaway
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  7. Cheylana

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    I would have included Peggy, Kristi or Tara instead of Hughes. They all have OGMs but Peggy, Kristi and Tara are also National and World Champions, and had pro careers, whereas Sarah personifies one-hit wonder and her SOI stint was a disaster. Also, Hughes didn't "own" the entire SLC ladies event; she only owned the freeskate and got lucky that Kwan and Slutskaya flopped. She's a nice girl but top ten? Not even top twenty-five.
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  8. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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    Hughes? Really?

    Well, that's her list I guess! Only 2 on this list (Kwan and Ito) would make my list. I think...
  9. TwizzlerS

    TwizzlerS Well-Known Member

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    Her list has 5 skaters with Canadian connections or roots and 4 obvious ones: Kwan, Ito, Witt, and Henie. The one I couldn't figure out was Dorothy Hamil.

    I can imagine her top 10 men would be Chan, Orser, Cranston, Don Jackson, Browning plus some obvious ones like Plushenko, Dick Button. I wonder who the odd one would be.
  10. Pierre

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    Barbara Ann Scott is number one? Well, that's certainly an interesting list.
  11. centerstage01

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    Sarah Hughes? Karen Magnussen? Elizabeth Manley? I'd replace them with Irina Slutskaya, Kristi Yamaguchi, and Joannie Rochette. And then switch around the order of finish.
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    I can imagine what PJ's lists would be like in the other disciplines! You could probably come up with a more convincing top 10 out of the list of skaters who failed to make the cut here...
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    Its funny how she mentions that Hughes had the stars align just right and gave the performance of her life on the one night it counted and then "never did it again" but yet she is in her top 10 and above some big names. LOL
  14. Aussie Willy

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    It is PJ's list. I am sure we would all have our own.
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    No wonder Canadians and Canadian connections are so highly touted since everything great about figure skating such as CoP originates from Canada. ;)
  16. manleywoman

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    Surprised nobody mentions Janet Lynn. Scoring was changed because of her.
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    ...I did :saint:
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    Sarah Hughes? I don't think she's even one of the top ten American ladies of all time. PJ Kwong is officialy a hack!
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    To be fair, from your list Chan has the highest ever scores, Orser is a 2x O silver medalist, Cranston helped make Artistry important, Jackson had the Sarah Hughes moment when he won Worlds (and did the first triple lutz), Browning is obvious with his 4x worlds and the first ratified quad, as are Plush and Dick. But also you'd have to include Yags, and maybe Petrenko, Boitano, Hamilton and Robin Cousins. I could maybe see Vern Taylor too, as another Canadian on the list, because of the triple axel.
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  20. t.mann

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    John Curry too!
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    The only thing Sarah Hughes should be on is all time shocker.
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    Yeah, she lost all credibility in my mind when I saw Sarah Hughes on the list.
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  23. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Was she using performance or skater? If she included Sarah's performance, I don't know how Tara could be left off of the list.
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  24. ChelleC

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    Hughes above Kwan???? Really????
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    No Arakawa?:confused:
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    Totally agree with you on Hughes. I think that most US fans(I'm one of them) would be dismayed at her absolute and relative placement on this list. In today's environment, she would be consistently dinged for under-rotated jumps and edge calls. At the Olympics, she got lucky. To place her above Michelle Kwan and nine time US champion (not a cake walk; at the time, this was IMO one of the most difficult competitions in the world) and five time world champion.
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  27. museksk8r

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    Hughes on the list, period, is the question, as well as Janet Lynn being left off the list. It's like placing Evan Lysacek on the list ahead of Brian Boitano and completely leaving off John Curry. Seriously, WTF?! :confused::eek::blah::shuffle:
  28. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    It's her personal list of who she would choose and how she would place them if she were a judge. And she invites you to agree or disagree with your comments. It's a bit of fun. Some of you seriously need to lay off the lemons and lighten up.
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  29. berthesghost

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    Soo... We're invited to disagree, and when we do, we're belittled for our opinions? :shuffle:
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  30. jeffisjeff

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    Why would she publish her personal list if she didn't want people to discuss it? :rolleyes:
  31. euterpe

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    Sarah Hughes is on the list because her father is a Canadian citizen, and Sarah herself holds a Canadian passport. Tara Lipinski doesn't have a Canadian connection.
  32. marbri

    marbri Hey, Kool-Aid!

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    I said some people.

    Where did I say she didn't want you to discuss it? She specifically invites you to do so in the article. I gave my two cents on some posts here that went the usually :blah::blah::blah: route.
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    What's with the :confused:? Not surprising at all.
  34. Rob

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    Yes, or Irina, Mao, Shizuka. Maybe even Sasha. Probably one of those instead of Liz Manley too. If this were the Top 10 Surprising Moments in Ladies Figure Skating, I might have Sarah or Liz high on the list.
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    Or, if it were Top 10 Canadian Connections ... although that would mean kicking Henie off the list, in favor of Rochetee.
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  38. Yazmeen

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    I think the "Hughes" point is that she looked at this from the POV of winning a single competition, and Sarah certainly did put it out there when needed at the biggest comp ever, so I can understand why she'd be there even though she's way out of my top 10.

    I submitted a comment with my top 10, waiting for it top be moderated. They were: Kwan, Henie, Lynn, Kim, Ito, Fleming, Hamill, Witt, Yamaguchi, Schuba (before you think I'm crazy, I put Schuba in there because of figures; they are the entire basis for the sport itself, and she was the best).
  39. clara00

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    i totally agree. :respec:
  40. berthesghost

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    actually, what she said was...
    which is IMHO complete and utter nonsense making her look stupid.

    Does she seriously think Hughes "owned the event" in SLC in a way that Tara failed to in 98, or Kristi failed to in 92, or Janet failed to in 72 or Peggy failed to in 68, etc..? :rolleyes:

    her reasoning for Hughes could be said for almost everyone of the other 9 on the list, but not the other way around.