'Perfection' in skating

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Scott Hamilton often used the word 'perfection' in describing Gordeeva Grinkov.

    Who were other skaters that were 'perfect'?- not just a performance, or a few performances, but their technique in particular was perfect. Some of the skaters listed below were not 'perfect' in every sense of the word; that honor belongs to only a handful.

    Pairs & Ice dance:

    Gordeeva-Grinkov (everything about them was perfect)

    Klimova-Ponomarenko (perfect technicians who later grew into perfect artists as well)

    Torville-Dean: Who can forget a row of 6.0's for artistry in 1984? Their technique was good too- earning them many 6.0s (though not all)

    Davis & White: Often 'criticized' as 'only technical'; their strong technique deserves praise

    Totmianina- Marinin: They were perfect in their jumps, throws, and consistency

    Rodnina & her two partners (Ulanov & Zaitsev): Perfect record in competitions

    The Protopopovs: Can't compare them with today's pairs, but they were so balletic, and so perfect whenever they performed


    Singles:

    Ilia Kulik (perfect jumps and his skating technique- Boitano said "he jumps like God")

    Brian Boitano was perfect too in his jumps and other elemens (spread eagles, deathdrop)

    Evgeni Plushenko - Perfect jumps

    Patrick Chan- Inconsistent, but his basic skating, positions, hand/fingers positions are all perfect

    Alexei Urmanov- Perfect in his jump technique

    Scott Hamilton- His basics were pefect, which helped him do amazing footwork

    Yuka Sato- Similar to Hamilton, she has great basic skills which help her create great footwork

    Dorothy Hamill- can't compare her with current skaters, but she had the most perfect positions and technique in every spin, posture, etc.

    Oksana Baiul- No matter how much you critize her jumps, her posture, lines were always perfect.

    Yu na Kim - Perfect jumps, and almost everything (except for her spiral); most of all, a perfect program at the most perfect time (2010 Olympics)

    Michelle Kwan - She was perfect most of the time, and the most complete singles skater among ladies, when she was competing

    I know there are some serious omissions here, and they are my favorite skaters (Yagudin, B&S, Browning).

    Carry on.
     
  2. Emdee

    Emdee Well-Known Member

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    Mahler was perfect.....
     
  3. rainbowkisses

    rainbowkisses Banned Member

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    mahler is the definition of perfect :lol: how can op forget about that! :lol:

    their farrucas performance was also perfect at 2010 wch
     
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    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    John Curry
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  5. skatesindreams

    skatesindreams Well-Known Member

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    Janet Lynn, often.
     
  6. TheIronLady

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    Sasha Cohen had the most perfect positioning of arms, legs, and back that could be imagined in a skater.
     
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    Shen and Zhao late in career were and are "perfect".

    The only others that come to my mind are Kwan, Cohen (in positions only, not so much the jumps/edges...), and last but not least Virtue/Moir are perfect
     
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    I think Virtue & Moir exemplify technical perfection more than Davis & White do. David and White skate with a ton of speed and attack but I think Virtue & Moir skate closer together, have more fluid handholds, pay greater attention to the placement of their free legs, and skate cleaner edges. I'm going by what I've seen from 2009 to the 2012 Worlds (I haven't been following the grand prix series this season). However, I must say that Davis & White keep improving in these areas, especially since the 2010 season.
     
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    Kulik, Yagudin (both technically and performance-wise), Patrick Chan (the most technically accomplished skater ever)
    Kim, Yamaguchi (all-around)
    Torvill and Dean, V/M
     
  10. pani

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    Thinking about what is perfection in FS for me and find i have different vision with Vash01 :)
    For me perfection its lines, skating skills, edges, how skaters look on ice, when all moves look finished, all technicak elements look perfect.
    So its mustnt be my favorite skaters, but this must be skaters who not only have the best technick or skating skills, but also all time try to improve there skating, work on made any moves perfect and finished.
    So, my list of perfection is :) :
    Belousova Protopopov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qky5kw67nX4 They all time to work on every move, for them is always important every move suite to there programs. And there lines in die for even now.
    John Curry
    robin cousins
    Patrick Chan
    Moiseeva-Minenkov
    Klimova-Ponomarenko
    Torvill and Dean(in all sence - chore, lines, costumes0
    Virtue-Moir
    Carolina Kostner

    Then i could notice some perfect programs
    Aliona Savchenko & Robin Szolkowy "Pina" and 2008 LP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAxTbMwnf6o
    Torvill and Dean "Bolero" and "Paso Doble"
    Dushenay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXkeiamsCew
    Buttle 2005 SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttg2mmU8FcU and Ararat
    Lambiel Flamenko http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDNXgzKHT9I
    Virtue-Moir "Mahler"
    Costner this season LP, last season LP

    Perfect competition skating
    shen zhao 2004 worlds lp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40X2SIc41HY and 2007 LP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niiLSEhPR74
    Yagudin 2002 SP and LP
    Takahashi 2010 WCh LP

    Perfect elements
    Yu-Na Kim - 3 flip+3 tolope
    Zagorodniuk 3A
    Han Yan 3A
    Fernandes 4 toloop and sal
    Slutskay - bilman
    D-W - twizzles
    Volosozhar-Trankov 3 twist
    Kwans and Cohen spirals
    Arakava ina-bauer
     
  11. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Call me silly, but I happen to believe no skater is perfect; every skater, every pair, every team has flaws.

    And I struggle to reconcile Chan the human Zamboni and Kim of the unpointed toes as "perfect".
     
  12. Vash01

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    Mostly true. That's why I focused more on technique, because that is less subjective than a single performance or artistry in general.

    Chan's basic skating is perfect but he is inconsistent on the whole. I cut him some slack because of his superior skating skills and attention to detail. By the same token I should have included B&S for having the same qualities, but lack of consistency. However, their struggle with split triple twist took them out of consideraton. If we looked at posture, lines, speed, basic skating and unison (all technical things) they would definitely make the list.

    There is no true perfection. Even the most perfect pair G&G made an occasional mistake. I would say technically G&G and K&P were perfect. Doing a few elements perfectly does not make perfection for me, but as we see from the posts, people have many different interpretations of perfection, and that's OK (even though I have a real problem with some of the examples mentioned in some posts).
     
  13. ks777

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    a perfect skater for me is Yuka Sato. I can just watch her feet all day long.
     
  14. pani

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    Yes, all have there own opinion. I have a lot off problems with your "perfect" skaters too, because they are so far from the perfection. Thats why i try to explane my point :)

    I agree - perfection is something you need to work every day and never will be there :)

    Chan is perfection compare to all others, but not an ideal ;)
     
  15. Aussie Willy

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    Laetitia Hubert has copyright on the "Human Zamboni". So you can't use that about Chan.

    No skater is perfect. They could do a perfect program without mistakes, but it is very rare for one skater to do totally flawless performances. They are human after all.
     
  16. spikydurian

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    :respec:

    I wouldn't mind being 'human zamboni' and 'miss unpointed toes' if I can win World and Olympic gold medals! :p
    I don't think Vash01 is talking about 'perfect skater'. If I read Vash01 post correctly, the reference is more on 'perfect technique or perfect program'. Perhaps a better adjective is 'flawless' since perfection carries a small degree of subjectivity.
     
  17. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    You are correct about 'perfect technique'. It is rare. I did not refer to a perfect program or performance though; there are plenty of those. Thanks.
     
  18. mia joy

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    "Perfection is not just about control. It's also about letting go"

    I love this Black Swan quote. I usually use it on people who try to convince me V/M are more perfect than D/W ;)

    But in reality I kinda think perfection is still a matter of taste. Something might be technically perfect objectively, but a perfect performance or a perfect skater is in the eye of the beholder. Some people mention Mahler as perfection - well for me it was so sugary my teeth hurt and that is definitely not what I call perfection.

    For me Yagudin was perfect. Volosozhar is perfect, but V/T are not. D/W's Giselle is perfect. Michelle Kwan was perfect, no matter how many times she fell or how bad her jumps were.
    It all depends on a day, on a skater, on a personal opinion. I don't think there is a single thing in this world objectively perfect to everyone.
     
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    Ruh & spins
     
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    Jeffrey Buttle is perfect when it comes to skating beautifully. Can't take my eyes off of him.
     
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    The first skaters that came to mind were Klimova/Ponamarenko.
     
  22. Wiery

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    For me, "perfection" was Lambiel's Poeta, even though he didn't skate it perfectly very many times; also Johnny Weir's Swan Lake and Dr Zhivago, Jeremy Abbott's programs last year, Sasha Cohen's line, positions, and posture, Plushenko's jumps, anything Takahashi, and Patrick Chan's movement, balance, and edging (I could listen to him skate all day). Lucinda Ruh's spins, although not so much now that I know how much she has suffered because of them. :(
     
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    I so agree with you, although there are only a few performances of 'Poeta' that are perfect for me - when he managed to show the character, temperament and energy of this program.

    How so? I almost don't dare to ask, but can you tell more about it? Although, to tell the truth, I can imagine that she has had problems because of that. Even for Lambiel it's not as easy as it seems - apparently his back hurts quite often because of his spins, and also the problem with his eye last year was at least partially connected to his headless spin, as he used not to breath during it, which heightened his blood pressure.
     
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    I was there.
    How special the program and performance were!
    Matt was terribly underscored.
     
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    V/M's Mahler
    Angela Nikodinov's layback spin
    Sasha's musicality
    John Curry's figures
    Janet Lynn and Michelle Kwan's ability to convey their joy and invite the audience in...(I see this quality in K. Osmond)
    Kurt Browning as Gene Kelly in "That's Enertainment" (Kurt gave us so many excellent choices)
    Brian Boitano's Olympic long