Percentage of skaters who pass tests

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  1. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone know the percentages of skaters who pass the different levels of USFSA tests? This statement is on the USFSA website:

    Are there statistics available for other levels as well?
  2. gkelly

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    Not online, as far as I know. You could try contacting Headquarters and asking if they can find that information for you.

    For a rough estimate, you could compare the Gold/Senior Tests Passed data to the All Tests Passed (sorted by club) for any given month at the link where it seems you got that quote from:
    https://www.usfigureskating.org/Athletes.asp?id=465
  3. RFOS

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    Are you a USFS Member? The numbers of all tests taken and passed are published annually (or at least have been recently) in the report of the Technical Group prior to Governing Council. There is a Governing Council section in Members Only that has the meeting book and committee reports. I'm not sure the reason they haven't put it on the public website, so I'm not sure what I should share.
  4. gkelly

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    Not sure what you're looking for.

    The percentage of all tests taken that actually pass? (broken down by level?) This would be what RFOS is referring to.

    Or are you looking for the percentage of all passing tests that are passed at each level? That you could get on a monthly basis from the links I point to, although the information isn't in an easy format to work with for that purpose. Someone who can query the database directly would be able to answer more easily.

    Or the percentage of all tests taken that are taken at each level? I'm sure aggregate numbers won't be published anywhere. If you could find clubs that list their test schedules online before the test session, you could note how many of each test are scheduled. Comparing 10 or more, preferably much more, different test sessions could allow you to estimate. But again it would be a lot of work -- maybe someone with access to the database could give you the aggregate numbers for a year.

    ETA: After looking at the report RFOS mentions, I see that you could derive the answers to the latter two questions from that as well, more easily than by the do-it-yourself methods I suggested.
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  5. leafygreens

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    Thank you for this info - I was generally interested in the 3% figure for senior, and wondered if it's 5% for junior, 10% for novice, etc etc, but this particular file breaks it out in even more detail. What I find interesting is that it shows # of retries country-wide, so you can see how hard the tests you've taken actually are (like if there is a high retry rate.) Intriguing is that the Novice MIF test has the highest failure rate overall (less than half of all tests are passing!) Here are the general numbers of passing percentages for each level:

    MIF
    Pre-pre 97.89%
    Pre 89.24%
    Pre-juv 69.50%
    Juv 76.58%
    Int 65.82%
    Int Supp 96.43%
    Nov 49.16%
    Jr 50.47%
    Sr 60.97%
    Sr Supp 65.75%

    The Free Skate rates are a bit higher; the lowest pass rate is Novice at 60.45%. Junior Free skate is 68.85%. Senior Free skate is 63.84%.

    Pre-pre is the highest percentage passed for MIF and Free Skate. I was surprised at the Novice percentages. One would think that Senior would have the lowest pass rate.
  6. backspin

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    If you see a lot of testing, actually those numbers are pretty much what I would have guessed. Novice & Junior are definitely the toughest to get through for moves, & senior does seem to be easier.
  7. gkelly

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    Novice and Junior moves introduce new difficult skills (counters, rockers, loops) and require more quickness at speed in both directions than seen at earlier levels. Senior uses all those skills in some more difficult combinations, but the actual skills aren't new.

    Similarly, with freeskating, the most difficult thing at novice level seems to be the double-double combination. Once a skater has that skill, they probably still have it when they take the junior and senior tests, and it's probably harder to do consistently than a double flip or lutz in isolation, which are the new jump skills at those levels.

    I remember that flying sit used to be a trouble point on the junior test, but these days it only requires a flying spin, so those who can't get the sit position in the air have other options.
  8. Skittl1321

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    I'm not really surprised. Very few people even attempt senior, so I would think those who do are somewhat prepared. Those who can't cut it, just aren't skating anymore.

    On the other side, my experience is that most kids can make it to pre-juv fairly easily, work a bit for juvenile, and then are shocked at how hard novice is (which means it is a high drop-out rate at this level- so they never even make it to attempt junior or senior). It really is a whole new standard (which being the first level at 'big nationals' kind of makes sense, novice is the introduction to the big leagues.)
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    This makes sense, but I wonder why the gap between Int/Nov is so large. The gap was supposed to become closer with the new Intermediate test. Maybe it still is not enough to prepare kids for the high Novice standard.
  10. gkelly

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    The only thing in the new intermediate test that would really prepare skaters more for the new novice is the forward twizzles.

    The other addition is the spiral sequence, which replaces the old novice spirals. If the novice move still existed, the intermediate move would help prepare skaters for it, but it doesn't. There's just the intermediate move, which is probably comparable difficulty to the novice one but not held to quite so high a standard.

    The perimeter stroking with power threes is gone, which used to prepare skaters for the first two novice perimeter moves, but since the turns from those have been combined into one shorter but more intense move there's no preparation for it in intermediate.
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    Not too many things seem to prepare you for the combination of quickness required on both open-hipped and closed-hipped moves :wuzrobbed.
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    To expand on leafygreens' data, here are the passing percentages for the adult MIF tests:

    Pre-Bronze - 97.76%
    Bronze - 86.27%
    Silver - 58%
    Gold - 44.32%

    The passing rates for Silver and Gold seem out of line (much lower) than the passing rates for the comparable standard track tests (Pre-Juv and Juv). Is that because adults get more nervous and are more mistake-prone, or are the judges too inconsistent (or demanding) in their expectations for adult skaters? Or....?

    What's even more surprising are the differences in passing rates when broken down by section: Pre-Bronze is pretty uniform across all 3 sections, but starting with Bronze, there are significant variations - nearly 20 percentage points between the highest and lowest rate. Why should there be such a large variation? Is the communication to judges about expectations and scoring guidelines for the adult tests not consistent across the U.S.?

    And as an adult skater in the Eastern section planning to test Gold MIF soon, the 39% pass rate is not encouraging. Pacs is nearly 60%, should I fly out to CA to test? (only partly joking)
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    Several other suggestions.
    By the time kids are testing juvenile/intermediate, the majority of them are skating several sessions a day. Most adults don't get out on the ice that regularly and that in turn makes it harder to develop the second-nature confidence younger skaters have in moves and programs. The more you do them, the easier they get and that's not as easy to accomplish when skating takes a back seat to work and life.
    When you start skating as an adult, some of the gold moves are the equivalent of novice/junior in terms of how hard it is for adults to master them & how long that process takes.

    As for passing standards, some rinks/clubs are harder than others. I'd ask around and see what other skaters & coaches at your rink think.
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  14. overedge

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    There's no reliable way to measure this, but I wonder how many of the fails are skaters who were truly qualified to take the test, and how many were skaters who failed because they really weren't ready but insisted on taking the test anyway (or whose coaches or parents insisted that they take it).
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    Even having a coach and judge tell you that you are ready, does not mean you will pass the test. Obviously you need to do the test flawlessly, but I also believe there is a certain amount of luck involved with getting judges who don't fail everyone. There are plenty of examples of unfair fails.

    I have heard of two skaters who took Novice MIF 10 times each. One skater had taken the old test and one skater was taking the new test. Maybe 10 times is extreme and the result of a pushy parent, but 3-5 times seems to be "the norm" for the higher level tests (at least from the skaters and coaches I've talked with.) :scream:

    IMO, if you pass a higher level on the first try, it is luck, the judges are feeling happy, or you are already skating several levels above that test. My coach told me that in the days of figures, the judging community was so small that you always had the same judges and they wouldn't "let" you pass on the first try, ever. I think she took her higher figures up to 4 times each before passing. Maybe that is still true today, to an extent.

    I don't think a coach would test someone who isn't ready. It may reflect badly on them. They want to have passing students.
  16. RFOS

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    No test needs to be absolutely flawless to pass, and no judge retries ("fails") everyone. Some have higher standards than others but I don't know any who enjoy retrying tests, but they have to uphold their standards. There has been an effort to teach consistent standards at Judges Seminars in recent years, but obviously there is still subjectivity and individual (and possibly geographical) variation. How are you judging that the "fails" were unfair? If you're going by what the skater's coach tells you after a retry, that may not be the most objective source. I'm also guessing that you don't have as much technical knowledge as the judges who judged the test and they'd be in a better position to determine what is passing and not at each level.

    I don't know where you are located but based on the statistics provided, 3-5 times isn't average nationwide, or across any of the sections as a whole, since more than half of tests all tests taken pass at almost all levels. However, the high level tests can definitely be difficult for recreational skaters and it's not uncommon for it to take multiple tries, but the standard needs to be upheld.

    I wasn't around in the figures era but I do know that the standard was much, much higher for figures than for moves in the field.

    They might think their skaters are ready but obviously the numbers say that the judges feel otherwise sometimes. You seem to be just assuming that it is the judges who are always at fault, and I'm not sure where you got that mentality, but it's unfortunate that so many are "afraid" of judges or blame them for everything. Judges aren't perfect, but neither are coaches or skaters.
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    Sometimes the standard for passing a MIF test involves more than just being able to execute the moves. My daughter failed her Intermediate MIF the first time by .1, and was not given any reskates. I was able to ask one of the judges about it later, specifically why, if she was that close, did they not ask for a reskate? He replied that her moves were fine, she had made no mistakes, but her overall skating was not yet up to par. In other words, they didn't think she "looked like an Intermediate skater". She passed on the 2nd try, after she had grown stronger, and skated the test with more power and assurance.
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    Coaches themselves might not, but once you get to higher tests, you also have older students who sometimes make those decisions on their own, i.e. infamous story of Kwan taking Senior MITF behind Caroll's back. I don't know too many 8-year olds skating at pre-juv who know their coach's USFA number, but there are quite a few 12+ year olds at my rinks who fill out their own test forms regularly at intermediate and above. Only takes one additional step to actually hand in that form, without a coach approving it.
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    Judges aren't supposed to fail tests by 0.1. According to the test judging manual,

    Of course, it's possible a judge could make a mistake in the math and the test session could be running so quickly that there's no time to reevaluate the numbers.

    And yes, the higher the level of the test, the more quality counts and not just getting the move executed.

    It was the senior freeskate. There were no MITF in 1992; the only prequisites for the senior freeskate test were 4th figure test (which was also prereq for novice and junior free) and junior freeskate.

    And the point of the story was that taking the test meant she was required to compete senior. I doubt a coach would mind much in today's context if a skater test ahead in moves without explicit approval from the coach.

    I have, however, heard of instances where coaches actually thanked judges for retrying a test that they didn't think the skater should have taken. And at least one where the coach was annoyed that the skater passed even though the coach didn't think she was ready.
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    I didn't mean to imply a coach would mind that much, just that there could be an additional disconnect. It's not just coaches and judges being on the same page for these tests. Sometimes older students have a mind of their own, which is not always the same as the coach's. MITF wouldn't impact the level you are competing at like a freestyle test would (thanks for correcting that, btw!), but it could be an additional factor for higher failure rates at advanced tests.
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    The figure tests were really hard. I don't think it was a matter of "letting" anyone pass on the first try - I think it was more that the passing standards were high and the judges enforced them.

    Of course they do. But IME sometimes, if a student or parent wants to test and the coach doesn't think the student is ready - but the student or parent is insistent that they are - the coach may put the student up for the test just to prove to them that they aren't skating at the level they think they are.
    IME coaches do this very rarely, because they don't want to waste their own time and the judges' time, but it can happen.
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    Yes. As I said, I have heard of coaches thanking judges for retrying tests they didn't think were ready -- but the skater or parent insisted on testing.
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    A test chair should reject an application that doesn't have a coach's signature.

    I actually had to email USFS to figure out how to handle testing without a coach (at the time, I did not have one- I had been working with a friend, but she was not a coach). USFS actually doesn't require a skater have a coach, but test chairs really freak out and don't know how to handle applications without signatures (this was 3 different clubs that I was dealing with).

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    I'm not at all surprised by the low pass rates shown on the adult test. The standard of skating expected to pass Silver vs. Bronze is SO different. Many coaches only have 1 adult skater (many rinks only have 1 or 2...) and don't know what to expect. They take an adult who they think is doing a great job and they get mauled by the judges on their Silver test. It is a HUGE jump in ability. Quite honestly, for many adults even attempting the Silver moves is a huge feat. I know they did me in, I worked on them, regularly for years- and never even got close. (Especially after two other coaches shared their stories about failed tests that they thought were ready- and those skaters were miles above me.) Bronze on the other hand is difficult, but doable. Now that Pre-bronze has changed, most find it easy (the 3-turns used to be killed for many).
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    That depends on the rules of the particular club. Not every club requires a coach signature on a test app. And in my area, some clubs are now doing online registration for tests, so there's no way in that kind of setup to verify coach approval. As you noted, USFSA doesn't require a coach.

    Agree, but in last year's stats, you see that there are also a lot fewer tests taken at the higher levels (true for both adults and kids). 268 total PB MIF vs 88 Gold MIF. I'm assuming that those who are attempting Silver and Gold are prepared and have the ability to skate the moves at a passing level. I agree there is a lot of confusion about what constitutes adult standard. Most coaches go by what they see as passing level for the kids, and then make allowances for power/speed/quickness. Sometimes the judges have very different ideas. But I would think most adults testing Silver and Gold are skating the moves close to what kids can do when they are ready to test those moves. Yes, it does take a lot longer for adults to get there - I've been working on Gold MIF for 5 years (4 if you subtract the total time I was off the ice due to injury) and there are several kids I skate with who have passed Pre-Pre through Juv or Int during that same period.
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    Silver is definitely WAY tougher than Bronze. The skating standard is a bit higher but I think most of the difference is just that the moves are a LOT harder. It took me about 7 months from passing Pre-Bronze to passing Bronze, which was now almost 7 YEARS ago. I haven't been skating much lately but some day I do hope to pass Silver (I've taken it 3 times, the first before I was quite ready and I didn't really expect to pass but it was actually my best attempt. My skating improved a lot before I tested it again but you wouldn't know it from the way I skated on the test the other 2 times, the second was a complete and utter disaster and the third was just incredibly shaky throughout.

    In general, I would agree with your coach's opinion. I'd expect generally the same level of edge and turn quality, control, form, and flow as the standard test with the same passing mark (because the foci are the same on the edge quality/turn execution/extension moves) but definitely not as much power and speed, because power isn't a focus on the adult tests (I'd probably allow for a little leeway on quickness too, but would still expect a consistent rhythm on those moves with that as a focus).
  26. Andrushka

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    I trial judged a test session Saturday and there were about close to 10 skaters that tested and we only had 1 that didn't pass.And honestly,you have really miss a lot of things to not pass.

    That's what one of my monitors told me Saturday when reviewing my scores in comparison to the judges scores.
  27. Clarice

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    Yeah, I knew that, which is why I asked why she hadn't been given a reskate. The judge in question was fairly high ranking in USFS, though, and I wasn't going to push it beyond the answer I was given. No matter, she passed on the second try, and it was a better overall test than the first try had been.
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    I don't know many people who have tried Gold, but I know a number who have tried Silver. None of my friends (in all different regions of the country) passed the first try, most have never passed at all, though many have not yet tried again. In most cases it was the coach saying 'okay, you've been working on these for a long time, let's get them out there and see what the judges thing'. Maybe I mostly associate with slow learners, but all of them worked on Silver moves for 2-4 years. (Me too, and I never even got to the point where I could try to take the test- it is just too hard).

    None of them skate like the kid skaters do when they test the moves, which is why they don't pass. But I think there is a point where you start to feel hopeless about what you are working towards and just want to TRY to take the test.

    And I can tell you that a well respected coach who was one of the first from our rink to send out a Silver moves test was SHOCKED by how badly her skater failed. She truly had no idea how high of a standard was expected. It is better known now that silver moves should look like juvenile moves, which makes me wonder why they bother having two different test tracks.

    Maybe it is just because I've pretty much quit skating due to a complete stall (I tried dance testing, but test sessions were too far between and it was just too expensive to keep up lessons waiting for a test) but I really think adult moves would benefit from a pre-silver.
  29. Debbie S

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    Oh yes, there's definitely some of that, and that was the case with me the first time I tried (and failed) Silver and is my coach's thinking for my Gold Moves too. She wants me to test in September (next likely test session) b/c she feels at this point, I need to put the test out. Some of my moves are passing level. Another factor is that I haven't tested (or competed) in over 4 years (broke my leg in Nov 09) and my coach thinks I need to start getting in front of judges, that the longer I wait, the harder it will be.

    But I do think a lot of adult skaters testing (even if not the first time) are skating the moves well and in their coach's opinion, are at passing level. It's discouraging that the pass rates are comparatively lower. I agree with you that the judges' expectations may be too high for each adult level. And yes, the higher the level, the more challenging for adults relative to kids (with the kids, there is a fair amount of attrition at the Juv and Int levels, although that's mostly due to jumps).
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    I'm a little late to the party on this thread, but I just wanted to add in my $0.02. I started skating at a later than a traditional skater, but by no means "late" in life. I was 16 when I started skating and within a year of starting, I took and passed my Pre-Preliminary moves test. Three months later, I took and passed my Preliminary moves. I passed both of these tests on one try, so Pre-Juv should be no biggie, right? WRONG. I took my Pre-Juv moves a year later. Failed. By all three judges. Waited another year, practiced some more - failed again. This time one judge passed me. Practiced for another two months, took it again, and was passed by all three judges. I took Juvenile moves about seven months later and passed.

    So what gives? Here's my theory. I think the judging standards are lower on the first couple of tests because the judges really want to boost your confidence. If you are a younger skater and in reasonably good shape, I think that most are able to pass at least the first test within their first year of skating. The problem is that once you start getting to your 3rd or 4th test, you actually have to KNOW how to skate beyond just some basic skills. You must be able to control and hold edges in a way that you weren't able to before. You must show power in your skating.

    I think the judges were right to fail me multiple times on my Pre-Juv test because I didn't have anything more than basic skills at the time. IMHO, no matter how great of a skater you are, it takes several years on the ice to really get comfortable with your edges and turns. Looking at the patterns required for the Adult Silver test, it seems as if this is when you really start doing a lot of the moves from the Pre-Juvenile and Juvenile tests, so it makes sense to me that a lot of adults struggle with this test. Best of luck to all of you trying to pass it!
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    I passed silver on the first try. I didn't really expect that I would pass, but I still wanted to go for it. My coach had held me back from the first test session of the year when I wanted to test because she said that I wasn't quite ready for it yet - the moves were there, but my confidence in them really wasn't (which we then worked on, and I am glad she didn't let me test before I was 110% ready). I tested during the second and my confidence was MUCH better than it would have been earlier in the year.

    I'm in a similar position now with Gold - I could probably test them at our next test session in September, but my coach wants to hold off until the following one which will be 6-8 weeks later. I'm okay with that, my goal was to test them by the end of the year, and I'll still get to do that. I don't fully expect to pass, and I'm okay if I don't, but will be very thrilled if I do. Gold moves are really difficult, being mostly a mix of juvenile and intermediate, but I don't find practicing them to be nearly as grueling and stressful as silver was, because it's not really s big of a jump from silver to gold as it was from bronze to silver, both in terms of skills and endurance.

    I don't know anyone at my rink even working on Gold moves, other than myself - I had one friend that was (and she had also passed her silver moves on the first try, but that was before the changes that made the spiral pattern harder, however it still had the inside slide chasse pattern from intermediate) but she moved away a year ago. However, part of that is due to the fact that there just aren't that many adults at my rink at a high enough level to take those tests, and even fewer who are that are actively pursuing any tests at all. A majority of those who skate do so simply because they enjoy it. I do have a friend who could probably test through silver without much trouble but she's never even been a member of USFSA - she competes in ISI and sees no reason to spend extra money joining another club and taking tests that are much more expensive than ISI. I fully respect that, because I was in a similar position for a while - not joining the club or testing because I just couldn't justify the expense. I am only a member now because I plan on testing, otherwise I'd probably let my membership lapse.
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    As a test chair gathering highly un-official and anecdotal data, I can say that on the Novice MIF test, the moves that pass the least or seem lowest or not passing even on tests that pass overall are the loops and twizzles.

    I was talking to some judges about this and a few suggested that the pattern for the loops as they are now is more difficult than in the older figures tests. I'm not a skater at that level, so I don't know...but one judge who is also credentialed to judge figures tests tried to explain something about the figure test loops being on a circle (?) while the Novice MIF test is on a straight line. She said it was a bit more challenging.
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    I'm not sure if having to hold the entry and exit edges longer made the figure loops any easier, but I would assume being forced into controlling your edges and edge size the way you were in order to pass earlier figure tests came in very handy by the time you got to paragraph loops. I never skated figures and some of these figure-inspired moves (even the back circle 8) did not come easy for me exactly because I wasn't used to this type of edge control. Not a bad thing to learn, just not very easy especially since us adults are geriatric by skating standards ;).

    http://0.tqn.com/d/figureskating/1/G/Q/f/-/-/loops2crop.jpg
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    In terms of learning them I think loops are easier when done on circles rather than lobes on a line. In fact my coach likes teaching them on circles using the wider hockey lines as the long axis because the line happens to be about the right "width" for the loop itself making it really easy to line them up correctly and size them correctly.
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    My coach says that about all the turns in MIF - double 3's, brackets, etc. ;) She thinks it was a lot easier when those moves were done on full circles rather than lobes - easier to set up and see where the top of the circle was. And she also dislikes the way the back circle 8 is designed - esp the push when changing from BO to BI. I've heard other coaches comment on that transition as well. I think in the figures days, the outside and inside 8s were done separately?

    And I can understand why more skaters are struggling with twizzles and loops - those are the new moves on that test, so everyone (coaches, skaters, judges) is still learning their way through them. And I've heard comments (unofficial and anecdotal ;)) from coaches that many judges (esp those who judged figures) have expectations that are not quite in line with the official communications given to coaches.
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    They were (and still are) done separately in figures, and I disliked this transition at first too because it felt "weird", however I can say that having practiced the actual figures separately from this moves pattern, the BI eight feels more difficult to start on than the outside, so being able to go into it with some momentum does help, especially when you only have one circle on each edge to show the judges what you can do rather than 3. Of course on the flip side it's not judged to the same exacting standard that figures were, the focus is edge quality and continuous flow - perfect circles isn't a requirement :)
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  38. Debbie S

    Debbie S Well-Known Member

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    That depends on the judges, at least in my area. I've volunteered at my club's test sessions and I saw comments (on failed back 8's) about not lining up circles, circles unequal size, not returning to the same spot (and these were tests I watched and the circles were not that bad) - coaches were not happy b/c the guidelines for the move say you get a shoulder's width of difference in your center point and the circles don't need to be exact. And I've also seen papers that just noted the skater completed the circles and edges were OK, so yeah, it's all subjective.
  39. sarahspins

    sarahspins New Member

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    A poor long axis, unequal circles and a poor return to center are all things I would feel are fair game for warranting a retry, because those are fairly fundamental. The exactness required for a figures test however is on a completely different level than what is expected of MITF, and I've seen some very sketchy back 8's pass on pre-juv. I am sure the opposite is true in some areas, that relatively good examples wouldn't pass, but it doesn't seem to be the case here.
  40. leafygreens

    leafygreens Well-Known Member

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    Same here.

    It's frustrating when your coach says "Great!" and a judge says "Fail!" and your coach can't figure out what the judging panel is looking at. More frustrating is when the conflicting comments come from the judges themselves. One judge can write glowing comments while another fails everyone no matter what. I have also seen judges critique a move as passing and then fail it on the actual test when it wasn't performed any worse.
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