Pechalat/Bourzat move to Shpilband

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by morqet, May 20, 2013.

  1. crankyintheAM

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    I can't wait to see their new FD. They've always been so creative, it would be great if they retired on a very high note, as high as an Olympic medal. It would be an incentive to other teams to think more out of the box.
     
  2. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to Nationals!

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    Winning Free Dance at Cup of China (no commentary): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3CeQtcBk-c

    They scored 102.08, 165.68 total, to win the gold medal.

    FD music as listed in their ISU bio:
    Caroussel (from "Cirque du Soleil") by Benoit Jutras
    Droit de Cite by Raphael Beaun and Max Steiner
    Jeux Interdits by Fernando Sor
    Le Petit Prince et sa Rose by Maxime Rodriguez
     
  3. Lacey

    Lacey Well-Known Member

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    That free dance is simply gorgeous, fabulous!
     
  4. dcnative

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    That FD this absolutely beautiful. I smiled from beginning to end. They captured the essence of the story perfectly. This is definitely a signature dance for them. The lifts were spectacular.
     
  5. Coco

    Coco Well-Known Member

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    Overjoyed for them that they were able to put such a beautiful free dance together in their final year. Vision matters!
     
  6. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    Clearly, Shpilband didn't wreck their choreo.

    FSU has been slandering the poor man all these years...

    A great FD :encore:
     
  7. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Pechalat/Bourzat have the worst programs they have ever had :fragile:
    I don't know who is responsible for that, but if I didn't know better, I'd say that Shpilband is trying to sabotage them.

    ETA : :lol: LOL, I'm off the flow like usual.
    Anyway, I hate the SD from the start to the end, and I think that FD had a potential to become something special, but instead looks like one of the Frankenstein creations of Mysleveckova.
     
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  8. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Oh, Andrey, I usually think you're right on, but I have to disagree with you on this one :lol:

    That is a truly beautiful dance. I really admire how the music was so well sequenced - if I didn't know it was from different sources, I wouldn't have been able to tell that it wasn't one piece - and how the choreography is so seamless, with the "tricks" blended in naturally and not standing out as "oh look, here's something acrobatic! OK, now back to the program".

    I was certainly one of those who was very skeptical about the move, and I still dislike Shpilband's cookie-cutter choreography for most of his teams - but this program is so well suited to P/B's technical strengths, and it really lets them use their great expressiveness. Bravo!!!
     
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  9. shah

    shah Shhh...

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    No, you're not the only one... I'm quite disappointed, as well. It felt like a watered down version of their Circus dance. I liked the costumes and Nathalie's make up, that's it. Maybe it'll grow on me once they have it better trained.
     
  10. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    It helps that he didn't have a hand in choreographing it or at least coming up with the concept or vision behind the program. He's limited when he has to actually create something beyond a tango.
     
  11. shan

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    I loved his work with Silverstein/Pekarek so many years ago. I believe he choreographed their "Great Expectations" FD. I always hope he'll do something similar in the future.
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Andrey. P/B's SD is ok but there is nothing special about it. It's a program any other team could skate. FD shows some promise but it looks unfinished to me. I felt I was watching an early draft at CoC.

    (Lol at the comparison to Mysliveckova/Novak's programs :D)

    Technically, they are getting there though. I just hope the programs will look better with more mileage.
     
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  13. nuge

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    I think they just need more mileage and polish.
    If they have the Finnstep levels and fix the SD lift they could have nearer the score which they got at Master's.
    I love the FD .Yes I think they looked slow but it's early and there's plenty of time to work on it .I hope they don't change anything.It was gorgeous especially the upside down lift .The slow Interdit's middle section was beautiful then on to the faster ending .Lovely light and shade :)Should keep Nicky happy !
    Not sure about Fabian's costume especially the pants and yellow tie :shuffle:but Nathalie's dress is lovely .Nathalie a beautiful rose !
    B/S were disappointing the FD was so dated and the only memorable thing was the dramatic start but then it just faded away .
     
  14. lauravvv

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    Shpilband didn't choreograph this program, nor he was the author of the idea. They came to him with programs already choreographed by their usual choreographer Laurie May Ayivigan (SD) and the clown/mime artist Julien Cottereau with whom they collaborated for their 'Circus' and 'Chaplin' FDs before (FD), and Shpilband just made some changes to their step sequences.
     
  15. casken

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    Put me in the "let down" category. It's not a bad FD, it's just not as interesting or effective as what I had imagined from reading all the interviews. I was never moved, I was never captivated, I was never wowed. My interest actually started wavering at the halfway point. Everything was just... pleasant. They looked solid techincally, but I think V&M are vulnerable and P&B have the skill to catch them, I'm just not sure this is the vehicle to do it. It's better than last year's FD though, that's for sure.

    I can't believe W&P, a team that never really did much for me, have my favorite FD of the bronze medal contenders, and it's to a tango of all things. I usually hate tango FDs. B&S had my fav FD until Zhulin butchered it. :( Le sigh...
     
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  16. mia joy

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    What exactly is a cookie-cutter choreography? I don't get it.

    I think it's Nathalie and Fabian's most enjoyable FD since 2008. It's interesting, lovely and memorable, something that cannot be said about many FDs this year. It still needs work and I am too a little disappointed it didn't blow me away, after all the hype about it in the interviews. But it's still a solid vehicle to try and snatch that bronze.
     
  17. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    I guess I did the smart thing and didn't read too many interviews before they debuted the program.
     
  18. Aussie Willy

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    I think they have made a wise choice with the music. It looks a bit empty at the moment but it is early days and they need time to work it in and probably add a few more nuances and touches.
     
  19. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I just like watching them move.
     
  20. liv

    liv Well-Known Member

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    I like their music. Many parts are the same as what Stephane Lambiel used when he first debuted in seniors. I loved that program of his...

    Not sure about their program, though, but it's early days. Of the "bronze medal contenders" I also prefer W/P at this point.
     
  21. TwizzlerS

    TwizzlerS Well-Known Member

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    They're almost 10 points behind (total score) W & P but close to C & L and B & S (within 3 points). I know you can't compare scores across competitions, but it does seem that W & P have the edge whereas P & B, C & L, and B & S are more neck-and-neck.
     
  22. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    I've heard a couple of different versions of who was responsible for what, and most of them give most of the credit to Shpilband for the finished product.
     
  23. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    That the programs for everyone who works with the same choreographer end up looking the same, regardless of what they do or what the music is. Like cookies made with the same cookie-cutter all look the same.
     
  24. Zemgirl

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    I'm reserving judgment on the FD at this point, it's not my favorite thing that they've done but I do think it has potential.

    Most of that is the SD, and I believe the CoC calling was more strict with the Finnstep keypoints than at Skate America and especially Skate Canada. We'll have to wait for the GPF, I think, to see how the top teams stack up.

    I've haven't read any interview in which Shpilband was given most of the credit for the program, more for reworking certain elements and for technical work. In the IN interview, Pechalat said that "We showed him our programs, and he did not say a word about our choreography. Instead, he discussed the way our lifts were oriented and our position on the ice. We were striving at setting up something nice, while he was thinking about something efficient." It seems pretty clear that when they came to Shpilband they had a finished product and he didn't try to change it too much.

    I think Karine Arribert once said that Shpilband was quite supportive of what she was trying to do with Blanc/Bouquet. His own choreography might be more conventional than some people's, but it doesn't mean he doesn't appreciate and support other approaches, too.
     
  25. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    I guess any assessment of how much Shpilband contributed depends on the point at which you would consider a program a "finished product".
     
  26. dcnative

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    Can anybody evaluate P/Bs Finnstepp and point out where they were lacking?
     
  27. marn

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    I think it is hard for me/us to say whether one Tech Specialist is more strict than the other unless we can see good close up and slow motion videos of the key points. For instance in looking at some of the Finnsteps at SC I thought the caller was pickier than at CoC. But that is only because I could see some of the points clearly on video. I did notice in the replays at CoC that Nathalie's chocktaw was not perfect.
    Calling Pattern Dances has a fair amount of subjectivity in it and I agree with many here that the Tech Specialist should NOT be a coach of dance teams participating in the GP series. It looked bad at SC having Chait being the Specialist when she is connected to so many dance teams either through being their base coach or through co-coaching.
     
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  28. Aussie Willy

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    Hmmm they got two key points on the first sequence but none on the second so only Level 1 on that sequence. However they pretty much got positive GOEs throughout except for a couple of base values. I think it was okay but then the Finnstep is one of those dances I don't know much about.
     
  29. dcnative

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    Thanks
     
  30. Golightly

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    Could you please elaborate on where did they miss the key points? I admit I only saw it once, I usually rewatch short dances to see where skaters might've missed key points, but I haven't had time with this one.