FWIW I think we lost creative P&B a long time ago, back in 2009 with the Circus FD. It was cheesy and not befitting their talents. Chaplin was wonderful (though felt a bit like Circus II), but their other recent FDs (Time, Arabian, and Rolling Stones) have been mediocre for their standards, although I admire how they commit to different music styles. IMO their best work was The Four Seasons and Madness, and I also liked the ideas in their earlier FDs such as Che Guevera, Cats, and Les Miz, even if they were unpolished then (diamonds in the rough, innit? ). I'm not too worried about Sphilband ruining that part of them. In fact I was kinda meh when I heard their choreographers for this season were circus oriented. I don't believe Shpilband will mess with their ideas too much, but he probably will take out a lot of the transitions, making the dance less interesting, but which will probably result in more polish and speed. That's disappointing but understandable. The IJS does not seem to value transitions at all in ice dance, going to back the days of DelSchoes and DenSta. It is mystifying to me, especially since Chan and Kostner seem to get tons of credit for that in the singles... since when are things like skating skills, choreography, and transitions valued more in singles than in ice dance? I don't get it, but if P&B want a medal they need to play the game and Shpilband knows the game. BTW and o/t, do we know for sure if Igor choreo'd C&B's Dr. Z FD? It looks more like Marina's work to me so I was wondering if it was possible that she did it before they left. Basically I'm curious what his non-Marina work will look like and I'm not sure if last season counts because of his abruptly having to leave and not getting the time to fully work on his ideas (plus TAT's interference with R&T)... going back to his early 2000s stuff for B&A, I liked it a lot, but it was 6.0 stuff.