Pechalat/Bourzat left Zhulin

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  1. risto1803

    risto1803 Active Member

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    I don't know if this is an official conformation of the rumors; according to http://news.sport-express.ru/2011-05-01/435824/, P/B are leaving Zhulin and are going to Krylova. Maybe they should go to Shpilbin and Zueva; that is the secret to get a medal :D. Apparently this move is initiated by the French Federation.

    Why they don't go to Zazoui? She is a great coach and does not have any top teams at the moment.
  2. cholla

    cholla Fearless Musher

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    It's official and it has already been announced and discussed in various other threads ;)
  3. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    That might be good for Weaver/Poje if Pechalat/Bourzat are training with them. It was quite a quick decision, it sounds like, unless it was being considered for awhile.
  4. Twizzler

    Twizzler Well-Known Member

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    Based on the FD thread in the Worlds forum, apparently the Russian Federation does not want Russian coaches, who are currently coaching in Russia, to coach any foreigners.
  5. briancoogaert

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    Philippe Pelissier (french commentator for Eurosport, and former coach of Alban Preaubert and Stannick Jeannette) said the decision was already being discussed at French Nationals ! But you know, sometimes, Philippe Pelissier says weird things !
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  6. Coco

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    Sad their tenure with him ended with that fall :( He really brought them along.

    What about Morozov? He coaches tons of "foreigners?"

    I'm having a hard time picturing Fabian in suburban Detroit.
  7. Fashionista

    Fashionista New Member

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    wrong info))
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  8. Taso

    Taso Well-Known Member

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    But they aren't coached by Shpilband & Zueva, they won't be allowed to medal :(




    whatever, dance is dead to me now, anyway
  9. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    The thing I don't understand : Angelica Krylova is a coach, and is from Russia. So, why can she be Pechalat&Bourzat's coach, and not Zhulin ?
  10. kosjenka

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    she does not coach in Russia.
    I think that is what the point is here with Russian Federation.
  11. Katta

    Katta New Member

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    Because she's not based in Russia?
  12. Domshabfan

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    because she is not getting huge financial support from RSF, Zhulin is supported financial by RSF and they want him to dedicate fully to Russian students
  13. Asli

    Asli Well-Known Member

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    Zhulin does not only get "support" from the Russian Federation. He is employed by them. That is the difference btween him and Anjelika.
  14. vivika1982

    vivika1982 Well-Known Member

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    He is in Russia and probably is pressured to coach only Russian teams.
    In this dokumentary @ 0235 Zhulin mentioned that after Nathalie and Fabian won Euro tittle he was advised to teach them less .It is pitty because P/B , Zhulin and Volkov were good team.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-nTaG3YAn0

    5 years ago Denkova/Staviski left Gorshkov for the same reason.
  15. kirkbiggestfan

    kirkbiggestfan Well-Known Member

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    In their facebook page, Nathalie and Fabian mentionned that if it was up to the 4 of them (Nathalie, Fabian,Oleg and Sasha), they would still be working together. Really sad when polititians have so much power on athletes.
  16. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    She doesn't seem to be in favor & in touch right now, just judging by skaters who have left her camp in the last year or two, Capp/Lanotte being the most recent.
  17. mia joy

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    well, it's sad they were forced to make such a decision, instead of it just being theirs, but I must say I'm really happy about it. I just hate what they've become under Zhulin. I loved them when they were coached by Zazoui and now I hope they can go back to the style thay had then.
  18. mia joy

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    I really don't understand it, the woman produced Anissina/Peizerat and Delobel/Schoenfelder, skaters should be in line to be coached by her. I also found her and Hagenauer's programs much more interesting than S/Z's.

    *sorry for a double post
  19. Taso

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    MBZ has no politikal clout :( Best coach in the world, IMO, but that's not enough
  20. Asli

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    Yes, she must be a fantastic technical coach. However Nathalie and Fabian, after working with Zhulin and Volkov, don't seem to think that highly of her coaching system any more. They have told the press severaal times that they had to learn everthing from scratch and Fabian even said that he has been "skating" only for three years.

    Maybe every time skaters change coaches they have to learn some things from scratch - Belbin and Agosto had said the same about switching to Linichuk/Karponosov. But P/B really seem to appreciate Zhulin and Volkov much more than Zazoui.
  21. viv

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    Well, I loved their FD this year, so I will not complain about Zhulin. He at least made them the best European couple this year, and it definitely was not his fault that they didn't medal at Worlds.

    As Nathalie apparently is in a relationship with Tomas (I only know the rumors, don't know if it's true), maybe they move to Oberstdorf. Martin Skotnicky has no top-ten couple at the moment, and their style for me seems to go together quite well.

    (As long as Martin doesn't put Fabien in a costume like the Gahzi had this year... :shuffle:)
  22. Eris

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    Tomas trains in Canada, doesn't he?
  23. millipied

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    The problem with Zhulin isn't his ability as coach but rather that he coaches part-time.
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    If he has only one or two couples, part-time is more than enough, especially since Volkov works with them too. Zhulin said he was spending three hours a day with his students, with all three of them on the ice. How much time can Shpilband and Zoueva spend per day with each of their dozen or so couples? maybe 45 minutes each.
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  25. millipied

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    I can not comment on the truth of one or the other side. But if both Tarasova and Piseev took the complaints public, there must be something going on wrong.
  26. Frau Muller

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    The ice-dancing world seems more susceptible to these coaching ups-and-downs than the other disciplines, IMO. Remember Doreen Denny at the Broadmoor...until a bunch of top N.Am. skaters, incl Blumberg/Siebert, dropped her ca1982? Dubova? Linichuk/Karponosov -- undisputed intl ice-dance coaches until not that long ago? Zazoui is just the latest in a long line. Schpilband's coaching team seems unbeatable right now but the year will come when they too might be dropped like a sack of potatoes for political reasons unbeknownst to most of us.
  27. pinky166

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    Yup he's been training in Richmond Hill, ON this whole season. But that's only like 4 hours from Detroit, maybe Nathalie and Fabian should go to S/Z?
  28. Coco

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    Looking back, I wonder if those public complaints were a way of racheting up the pressure on Zhulin to pick I/K over P/B.
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    ICAM, There is absolutely no excuse for the Delschoes consistantly finishing fourth despite consistantly outskating many of their rivals. Muriel is innopolitik
  31. Yukari Lepisto

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    So now that Krylova and Camerlengo have World 4th and 5th place couples, do you think any of the Marina/Igor team might come over to them?
    Maybe SamBates?
  32. Asli

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    Tarasova has always taken parts between coaches, had her favorite skaters and had agendas. She doesn't even claim to be objective. As for Piseyev, I don't see him complaining about Zhulin's training system. Only about his training P/B as well.
  33. Loves_Shizuka

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    I know it won't happen, but P/B with Skotnicky would be AMAZE. I always love his teams, and I think they could be quite avante garde with him. But anyway, I look forward to seeing what KnC can do with them; I personally found this years FD good, but a bit underwhelming, even when clean.
  34. MarieM

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    Martin is out of the loop with COP and was kind of forced to take the german team back.
    I hoped they'd go to him, but Pasquale is logical !
    They used to work with him A LOT. He was responsible for the 2008 OD if memory serves right, and participated in some of their best FD.
  35. Asli

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    I think Scotnicky has lost his creativity and he was never an exceptional technical coach. I don't see any advantage in P/B going to Obersdorf, except for being nearer to home.

    Camerlengo and Krylova are a brilliant choice IMO. He has the artistic vision and she has the brilliant technique and the interpretation. Just seeing her on ice must do them good.
  36. Eislauffan

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    I don't think that Martin Skotnicky is out of the loop with COP. After all, Zhiganshina/Gazsi had high levels in all their competitions, in the FD at Worlds for example all level four and footwork level three.
  37. Loves_Shizuka

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    Yea, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can come up with for P/B. Mind you, anything which involves Krylova, I look forward to. :)
  38. casken

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    They did F&S's 2008 and 2009 programs right? I thought those were excellent, especially '08.
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  39. Catherine M

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    I agree, this is a brilliant choice for P&B as it gets them to a first class training site in Detroit with up & coming coaches who have fresh ideas along with another top team (Weaver & Poje).

    Will be interesting to see if other teams follow.
  40. viv

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    During Europeans I heard that he trains in Oberstdorf, but maybe he doesn't any more.