Patrick Uber Thread - road to Sochi

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by spikydurian, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. fscric

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    ali_dorate, thanks for your post, good to hear Patrick's jumps are still there, just not in the programme yet. Hope he'll work out the kinks when SC comes.
     
  2. vigiliae

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    I dont know much about La Boheme musics, but it starts with light moods then went to the romantic theme and ended with darker tone. Anti climatic moods in the last 30 seconds.
    He had some stiff landings in the warmup. 3A was much improved though.

    Even though he experoenced a meltdown, I was so impressed with his deep edgeworks andthe first step sequence. He draws a deep curve in the preparation of the 1st quad and it was damn gorgeous. I never thought anyone actually get speed with that deep edge.
    I am generally not a fan of wilson program but the program was actually better than my expectation. but the program looks really difficult and i don't expect him bring out the program fully. One can only hope and I realy hope so, this program definitely has potential.

    sorry for the broken words and all the misspelling; i blame my cellphone :p
     
  3. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    ^^ You are ever sooo sweet vigiliae in responding quickly and being so positive and encouraging so that this 'old Spiky mama' can sleep better tonight.:lol:
    Hopefully, with some feedback, the music can be improved or is it too late?
     
  4. vigiliae

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    I think the tone of music follows storyline of the opera so i would not expect any changes afterwards. And it is not THAT bad- definitely not an ear-bleeding
    I have no idea when the broadcasting scheduled but hope the vid will be available soob. Want to watch once more and want to hear opinions in this thread as well.

    Now waiting for COI at the cheapest sheet! Have a good night spikydurian ;)
     
  5. Emdee

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    Vigiliae, thanks so much for your report. Poor Patrick. Its a long time since he has had a real meltdown. Hope he is not injured. Its early in the season yet and I am sure he will find his comfort level. He is never prepared too early. If he is to have an off day its the right day to have it!

    Its just amazing that others are so well prepared. It is the year before the Olys so all need to get a headstart.
     
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  6. vigiliae

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    No new ex from patrick, he did coldplay ex.:(
     
  7. VarBar

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    Lucky me that I saw the JO results in the morning after a good night sleep, would I have seen them before going to bed, Patrick's score would have given me nightmares. I got used to Patrick not being an early season skater but I really wasn't expecting such a meltdown from him. He must be heartbroken.:(

    Not sure I want to see Chan's skate this time.;)

    Thanks ali_dorate and vigiliae. Did you like his new costume for La Boheme?
     
  8. clarie

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    I'm not really worried (unless he's battling an injury). His programs take lots of time to develop because of the difficulty and the transitions into jumps. I think that with the added pressure of competing, it probably disrupts his internal timing. A good experience for him to put that behind him and work to smooth out those issues.
     
  9. ali_dorate

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    I'm sorry if my comment about the music made you anxious.

    I don't like the music cut because there are many scene changes, at least four.
    Of course the original opera "La Boheme" is kinda mixture of comedy and tragedy, which I love so much. So in a way this program shows us the whole story of this love story. But the mood of the music changes so quick that I can't indulege in the music.

    In "La Boheme" each character has his/her main theme. And Rodolfo, the poet, has the most beautiful theme of all. But we can't hear his theme. That's a bit pity because Patrick is supposed to portray his role.

    But it's not a big problem. The most important thing; this program suits Patrick very well.
    As I said, it will definitely develop. It may take time though.

    Oh yeah, the costume! I simply love it!! Very romantic.

    Patrick showed us his usual smile at the COI. That smile is so precious.
    Thank you so much Patrick for coming all the way to show us the very new program!
     
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  10. fscric

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    Again, thanks to ali_dorate and vigiliae for the first hand recount, glad to know Patrick was smiling at the COI and not affected by the competition.
     
  11. Emdee

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    My thanks to them both too!
     
  12. clarie

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    Me too.......thanks so much. I'm sure he'll do much better later in the season.
     
  13. spikydurian

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    Oh no ali dorate. Don’t be sorry. It’s good to hear sincere and constructive opinions. My maternal instincts and being a Patrick fan put me in anxious mood with his disastrous skate in JO. :(

    I see your point. I was also wondering how they could put the 3-4(?) pieces of music together as they were written separately for different scenes. Each piece is so different too. I thought it will be a challenge to synthesize these few pieces of music IMO. Can’t wait to see the vid to check it out myself.
    Which one was it? The blue one with lace or the white and blue piece? Hmm… I guess the blue lace piece?

    Makes me happy too that he was able to put his disastrous skate behind him and share his usual happy smile.

    Aw… His hat piece with Chris Dean is probably still in progress. Probably will only be unveiled at Worlds or maybe Canadian Nationals?
    Now we know what to expect, it’s easier to watch. ;)
    Me too. He’s a trained athlete and so long he understands himself and what he needs to achieve his goal. This is a big season for him … two new programs (or maybe 1 ½), changes in coaches and choreographers, and change in training regime (as in spending more time in Toronto). I still believe if he wants to try new things, now is the time to stretch it (assuming that he is likely to retire to study full time after Sochi). Come next season, it should be full on concentration and training towards Sochi. I don’t want him to risk injury between now and Sochi so a well paced training program to peak in 2014 is vital IMO.
     
  14. VarBar

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    http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/patinage/2012/10/06/001-chan-japon-chute.shtml


    "I was extremely motivated when I got here. But when I stepped onto the ice, I didn't feel very well, said the 21-year old from Ontario. It's one of those days when you just go through a chain of bad things and you just feel powerless."

    I agree, ali_dorate.

    http://spo.c.yimg.jp/im_siggTXs.15Z...tsnavi/channel/figure/121006_fig_chan0606.jpg

    :lol:
     
  15. luckiest1

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    Thank you so much for the first hand reports. As much as I don't really want to see Patrick's meltdown, I am dying to see his new program. As long he is not injured, that is my only concern. Sounds like he is ok. :)
     
  16. ali_dorate

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    Patrick had an interview yesterday after the JO.
    http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/winter/skate/figure/headlines/20121006-00000018-spnavi-spo.html

    The article is written in Japanese and it's awkward to translate it into English because Patrick's original comment was made in English.
    So please keep in mind that it's not what Patrick said but just a rough translation from what Japanese article delivers.

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    To be honest, I’m disappointed with my performance today.
    (Before I came here) During the practices I had got a boost and I felt I came here with better condition compare to the JO last year. I had put through the program and was highly motivated. So I was ready. But when I stood on the ice today, I felt somehow weird. I felt I was not riding on the ice well. In fact I couldn’t skate as intended.
    I think this kind of experience is necessary, so it’s good that I had this today. Daisuke did quite well. I’m glad he got the best score.

    Besides the coaching change, I also changed the choreographer to David Wilson from Lori Nichol who had worked with me for five years. So I’ve been struggling to get used to this change. As I had worked with the same choreographer for five long years, this sudden change forced me to change the rhythm and my comfortable style of skating as well. So all these anxiety factors blew out and as a result, it affected my performance today.

    Because I’m not the type of person who can easily accept changes, I want to take my step further by consulting with various people including judges as to what happened today.
    Although there are some parts that I feel uncomfortable, or rather have not accepted yet, I’m certain that the coaching change is good for me.
    The practice policy of Kathy helps me to raise motivation and she understands how I feel.

    I had a lot of changes and I must admit that the result today shows that I have not adapted well these changes. But anyway it good that this happened today.
    I’ll pull together so that I’ll have a good performance.

    My free program this year is "La Boheme." It took time for the selection of the music. This is a typical opera. So the music is dramatic and sad. I decided to pick this music because I want to challenge myself to a completely different style from last year. As I wanted to challenge something which is true to my own self and yet at the same time new to me, I decided to take a risk. I think this program is well choreographed to describe the story.

    The goal of this season is not a performance like I did here today. I’ll work out the program putting two 4T. I believe my best 4T so far is the one I did when I won at the Moscow Worlds(2011) . I have not done that 4T. Of course my goal is to defend my title of world Championships. But to achieve that goal, I have to get good results in GPS.

    What happened today is like a big obstacle in the road. However, I’m looking forward to the season ahead. As I fell down by hitting that wall today, I felt like I could wake up and motivated. So it’s good.
     
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    I actually LOL when he fell the fourth time. But the programme itself is great despite the falls, I can't wait to see Patrick skates it to its full potential.

    ali_dorate, thanks so much for translating the interview.
     
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    I have to say Patrick has the best LP among all the others' for the new season, and he interpreted it so emotionally. This is really a BIG surprise. He is going to change people's minds about his ability of artistic expressions. I'm very appreciated his courage to make the change, though it will cost him a lot. Hope he can clean it up during the season ,and I'm sure this will become a classic programme.
     
  20. l'etoile

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    I'm starting to wonder what would happen if Patrick goes squeeky clean.
     
  21. Emdee

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    If he does his marks will hit the roof and the naysayers will be squeaking as usual!
     
  22. clarie

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    At least the "naysayers" can't say that he can still win with 4 falls :lol:
    I still can't watch, but maybe in a few days.
     
  23. luckiest1

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    The program is gorgeous. Thanks for translating that interview. It is good to hear that Patrick is optomistic about the season ahead. I am counting down the days until I get to see him skate it again, this time live, at Skate Canada. I am sure it will be a much improved performance.
     
  24. spikydurian

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    Clarie, I managed to bring myself to watch it a few times.;)
    I think the music was well put together. Other than the falls, he was flying from one end of the rink to the other. The step sequence in the second piece of music was gorgeous. Hopefully, he will perfect it at Worlds like he perfected Aranjuez at Canadian Nationals.

    Thanks ali dorate for taking the time to translate the interview for us. I wanted to hear how he felt about his disastrous skate, and being the usual Patrick ie. honest and truthful about himself, he admitted he hit a bump on the road and is determined to get back and try again.
     
  25. flipforsynchro

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    I love this program, huge improvement from last year IMO
     
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    I was so surprised watching La Boheme. Joy, Love and Sadness - All feelings in it.
    I smiled happily during his circular step and I had tears during choreo step.
    it is a very beautiful and difficult! program.
    La Boheme looks like it'll be a masterpiece.
     
  27. The Accordion

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    Oh my goodness~!!!! I was afraid to watch because of the 4 falls - BUT THAT PROGRAM!!! I love it so much! I also understand that there is a lot to it and all the changes and that would be why the jumps weren't there.
    Patrick didn't look super determined though at the beginning so it is interesting him saying he didn't want it enough.
    I do hope the changes work out for him and that the coaching situation is what he needs - not just what he wants. He has made such courageous decisions putting focus on his performance and using new choreographers / going in new directions.
    Mostly selfishly I just want to see this year's programs skated to their potential!
     
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  28. clarie

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    I still haven't watched it yet (I know...I'm a big chicken). What upsets me more than anything is that certain people/posters on other threads and forum are so negative about him. I get the impression that they just want him to go away. There's so much mean spirit and delight in putting this guy down. I just don't understand and am very dismayed. I hope he gets it all together for Skate Canada and all the other competitions this season. It almost makes me want to see others have a "bad day at the office" like he did, and I really don't like feeling this way :(

    It seems in others' eyes, this young man can't do anything right, and their sentiments are totally unfounded.........There, I've said it, and I feel better.

    I'll probably watch the program this week sometime when I get up the gumption. :)
     
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    I'm dying to watch but will hold out until Skate Canada, I don't want my first impression of his new program be the one with the meltdown :(

    I agree Claire that the hate towards him is so unfounded. What gets me the most is that so many of the negative opinions on Patrick are uneducated in the IJS yet when supports provide qualitative examples of why he is marked that way the haters call us defensive AND rebutted with more uneducated statements.
     
  30. vigiliae

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    I totally understand you Clarie. I am also a chicken and still cannot watch last season's Worlds.
    Throughout the last couple of seasons (and even before that) my friend who's also on FSU always warned me not to visit the entire forum whenever Patrick had a competition. And I thanked her after ignoring her warning for the first time. Being a Patrick fan sometimes make me feeling almost guilty. ...Well actually I feel guilty for not liking general favorites. :p

    I am still not an uber of this new long program (I am a minority who liked Lori Nichol's works in general) but the first step sequence was much more fantastic in live, especially because of the ice coverage. IIRC he covered more than 2/3 of the ice with the CiSt(!) in almost rectangular form. He just flew over the ice with those lovely little hops, twizzles and small dance movements, while not losing any speed. The upper body moves can be a bit more extended and loosen but I think it's a matter of time, since I felt the same way when I saw Aranzuez for the first time.

    One more thing I appreciated to David Wilson for the step seq. is that he actually made Patrick doing twizzles in both feet. His RF twizzle was a killer from the later half of the last season but he did not perform the LF twizzle that much. However it can be found in the sequence this time and it was lovely. His RF twizzle becoming better throughout the last season and I hope something like that for LF as well.

    He also became much faster; totally different from what I've seen at shows in August. The transitions in this program were not jam-packed in my untrained eyes and it surely helped him drawing more speed. Not saying he's doing more crossovers though, he maintains edges longer and deeper and it seemed as hard as Lori's intricate works. His skating skill itself was also improved(!). I have no idea how he is able to keep improving in the skating skill area which he's already on the top of the world. And while I am OK with the other lower PCS he've got this time, I personally cannot agree that he should get that much lower SS than Takahashi and Plushenko. (If I write things like this in the other threads I will be burned so I'm only saying in here...)

    In a case of meltdown, I was so frustrated at first but then remembered Patrick always had a kind of meltdown at his summer competitions in the previous seasons. (Almost all the Liberty comps and last year's Golden west) Of course this time it's a bit later but I'll wait at least utill COR before becoming serious. I am a bit worried of his quads though, the landing was not in his best.

    Having said that, I know this is quite off the topic, but Patrick always showed something extreme whenever I saw him live in competitions. I only attended his competition 4 times and saving the 2010 nationals he always on the one end in performance-wise. First one was the disasterous 2008 GPF:yikes:, then 2010 Canadians, then the glorious 2011 Canadians and now this.
    If there is a rule that skategod assigned for this pathetic fan, I should be at Sochi 2014 to see(and hope) the rule actually happening.

    So, what was his working with Mr. Dean? Dying to know!
     
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