Patrick Uber Thread - road to Sochi

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  1. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    I love this expression, jlaries. :)

    Not only poorly written, there is no substance. There are no facts/reasons backing her opinions.

    We know that Patrick has listed both Johnson and Shipstad as coaches. But I think some of us were not sure whether Shipstad is a qualified technical coach. And we are worried about his TES …

    Let’s see how he improves in the GPF. He will need to do more to win there because the best are there. Kurt did say Patrick is beatable this year ..I take it to indicate that Patrick is concentrating on artistry whilst TES takes a back seat so those with strong TES has a chance of beating Patrick. I really don’t care so long he takes care of his health and win the more important events.
     
  2. leaa

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    I really adore Patrick's SP ♡
    But one thing...Please change the shirt !!!
    Sorry I don't like that back lace at all.
    Personally I hope Patrick goes back former designer.


    A figure skating blogger who never been a fan of Patrick says the SP can be a masterpiece.
    some Patrick's fans don't like this SP.
    someone says it will be a signature program of Patrick.
    some people say it just reminds them of Jeff...(Not for me.. this music really suits Patrick )
    That says figure skating is really Subjective sport.

    As for FP..It looks extremely difficult.
    After FP Patrick looked really tired.
    I like ending step :) Patrick's edge...movement...emotion..
    and the entrance of the 3loop. That movement&edge is sweet.
    La Boheme is an interesting program. Whenever i watch this pro I find something new to
    appreciate.


    In La Boheme..Patrick's edge is unbelievable.His feet perform music.
    I think Patrick is another type of skater.
     
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  3. sequins

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    :lol: I missed that as well. Makes you wonder about her 'credentials' , an 'avid figure skating fan and follower since 1992. For 20 years educating herself in the sport...' Um...ya I guess I'm qualified as well, except I know the difference between Honda and Takahashi. Anyone else ever get annoyed at the lack of knowledge (sometimes basic) and respect reporters seem to have for this sport. Articles, sports broadcasts are littered with errors every season. I mean how hard is it to do a bit of home work and clue in your sports reporter that we are looking at a triple flip not a double axel and certainly not a spin. :rolleyes:
     
  4. VarBar

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    Had Patrick jumped a 3A instead of a 2A, a 3Loop instead of a 2Loop and a 3Sal after the 3F-1Loop, his base value would have been around 84? I guess so, and 84 is one of the highest base values in the current field. But if you were thinking of the execution of the jumps which is reflected in the GOEs, well...the execution may vary from one competition to another.;) I feel Patrick can easily do loop and salchow jumps with three revolutions in the air and land them cleanly whether as solo jumps or 3/3 combination jumps but I have to agree with jettasian that the 3A is still a weakness for him and this weakness is sort of limiting him, he can't do a 3A in combination with another jump for instance. If the 3A issue can't be fiixed, Patrick would most likely need a third quad in the free skate- 4sal? - for him to make up for the missing reliable 3A and so be on the safe side with the TES.

    ali_dorate, I sure remember Chan's spectacular pre-2011/2012 triple axel jump but I'm afraid I can't make any educated comment on the skidded technique because I have no clue of how a successful 3A should be executed.:lol:

    So must be fashion, I guess, because I really like the see-through lace on the back of Patrick's blouse. All my favorite skaters wore see-through shirts at some point in their careers.:cool:

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8488/8190930382_6a0fdfa34b_b.jpg

    But the frills not so much though.

    http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8189847785_de684cc126_b.jpg
     
  5. PCFan

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    I also would like to see Patrick spend the next year on mastering the 3A. Then he could add a second 3A to his FS rather than a third quad, he has yet to put in competition. Patrick suggested he would debut another quad last season and that did not happen. It appears the quad is not going as well as he anticipated; so why not concentrate on perfecting the 3A, a jump he can do in competition, just not consistently at this time.

    My focus on the 3A stems from concern that I don't want it to be "the jump" that stands between Patrick and making history.
     
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  6. skatingguy

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    There has been so suggestion that Chan would add the second quad at Nationals - which is where he has often debuted new elements - so I think the question of whether he can do two different quads is still open.
     
  7. jettasian

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    I also heard in the past that his 3flip is always good that people said he could easily make that into 4flip. I wonder why he's not trying the 4flip, instead of 4sal
     
  8. Emdee

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    I thought I read an article this year where he said he was working on both 4flip and 4sal and would do one of both.
     
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    Patrick did say in one of the interviews he might add a 4S or 4F at National, the question is whether he would actually do it or not.
     
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  10. clarie

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    I hope he does......If there's any place to try it, it's at Nats ;). I'm really looking forward to seeing how these programs progress there. Gawd, I wish I was able to go because at Worlds I'm going to be a nervous wreck :eek:
     
  11. PCFan

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    It's true Patrick did say he would likely try either the 4flip or 4sal at nationals, but he also said that last season. I recall how excited he was in an interview with PJ Kwong about his success with the 4sal in practice, for some reason it never materialized. It is quite possible we'll see one at Nationals, but either way he'll need to add a third quad or a second 3A to his FS.
     
  12. jettasian

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    I think after the bad skates at Jap and SC, I think his plan right now is to master the jumps he has and the programs. If he decides to keep one or both programs for the Olympic, for sure he will up his ante on the jumps. So he may keep the jumps for next season.
     
  13. PCFan

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    Not sure how many of you have seen this interview of Patrick at COR...he's such a cutie.

    http://youtu.be/FZxs8exINew


    At 11:31 Orser discusses the importance of skating skills and of course he cites Patrick as the gold standard. I love Orser description of Patrick's SS where he emphasizes the unbelievable control Patrick possesses.

    It's interesting to see the training Orser and Tracy Wilson put his students through in an effort to improve their SS.

    http://youtu.be/GdIzi50EMvM
     
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  14. spikydurian

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    Clarie, are you going to both Nationals and Worlds or just Worlds? You get good training on 'nerve control' by watching live streaming/live t.v. telecast from now on. :D

    Thanks PCFan. The Russians always like to ask about what others think of Plushenko. Fortunately, he didn't get himself into trouble this time. :lol:
    It's interesting to see how the blades up close. I think what most fellow skaters marvel is not only the intricate blade work but the speed that go with it. Speed seems to be a common description of Patrick's blade work. And what Orser seems to say is that to reach that pinnacle of skating skills, the blade has to be part of the person. I would assume, that takes years of training .. not something that can be acquired overnight.

    I think Patrick is keeping 4S as part of his arsenal which he can use if and when the need arises.
     
  15. clarie

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    :) Love that interview PCfan. I had never seen it.

    Spiky, I am only going to Worlds, and I'm such a wimpo that I haven't been able to watch any of Patrick's programs this year until they are copied and I know the results........the same with V&M. I am such a coward, but at Worlds I will have to sit in my seat and watch........so I won't be able to wimp out.:lol: I love watching Nats and can sit through it because, well, it's Nats, and for Patrick not much of a risk as there is no-one close to him there.
     
  16. VarBar

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    I am no expert but I have the feeling no one can get to skate like Patrick Chan years and years of training notwithstanding unless they are Patrick Chan reincarnated because I suspect it's not just a matter of training your skills but also a matter of incredible natural talent with the blade.

    Here is what French Eurosport said of Chan back in 2009 when he competed at the World Championships in L.A.

    "He doesn't have the quad, Patrick Chan."
    "No but what a triple axel. And I will let you admire the quality of his skating, it's just prodigious."
    "He has no match here."
    "No, he has no match in the SP, don't even think they will place him behind Brian."
    "He doesn't have the quad but he has everything else, quality of skating, quality of gliding, the edges, the spins, everything he does is extremely elegant and secure."
    "Ah, it's perfection. On the figure skating side of it, we've most likely never seen such ease in the men's field. I predict a score of 90. In terms of quality of skating, it's probably the best thing we've seen in a very long time if ever have we seen at all a male skater skate at this level. He is not just a jumper and just a spinner, he is first and foremost a skater, that is to say someone who can move fast and effortlessly through his gliding."

    The scores are up for Chan's performance.

    "Oh no. We are French, of course, but him being placed behind Lysacek and Brian...it's quite strange, we have to say that...we totally disagree."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyfas0c9_iU&feature=g-hist
     
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    Did any of Chan's bashers/trashers/haters explain on this board how Hanyu with 2 falls and an obvious loss of speed could win the program components mark in the free skate at NHK to Ross Miner who skated cleanly and apparently maintained his speed?;) Hanyu landed 2 different quads in his long program and this little detail impressed the judges? Well, Chan too went for 2 quads in Nice, of which one was in combination with a triple jump, and he didn't too-foot land any of them. Perhaps it was Chan's athleticism on the quads that led him to winning his second world title.:D

    From Cup of Russia, SP press conference.

    http://data14.gallery.ru/albums/gallery/159642-67cec-61392451--u0e9c5.jpg

    http://data14.gallery.ru/albums/gallery/159642-89c97-61392437--ue7d33.jpg
     
  18. sequins

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    Hanyu is allowed to make mistakes and win because he's young and fresh and new and hasn't won a Worlds or Olys title and hasn't said something people can misinterpret and twist into their own evil version of how he thinks he's above everyone else. But fear not it will come, success breeds contempt and pretty soon his flaws will be the subject title of many a thread. Hanyu's only just begun you need to give people time to build up their spite and resentment.
     
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    It saddens me that this is the reality for many skaters who succeed. If we only rewarded those who played it safe with "easier" jumps and choreography, the sport would never advance.
     
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    They are OK when Hanyu wins with 2 falls and lackluster performance. They didn't complain when Mao with only 4 triples beat Julia who landed 9 triples. Akiko who skated beautifully with clean jumps lost to Mao who doubled and singled most of her jumps, but they say "It's not Mao's fault, but judge's fault. Judges should be penalized!"
    Patrick must win with perfect performance, falls or popped jumps are not allowed, because he is 'Patrick' :p
    Double standard! :angryfire
     
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    I would actually have more respect for them if they stated the obvious, which is they don't like Patrick and therefore impose a completely different criteria for him and him alone.


    I have been meaning to give props to the man with the best quad combo in skating today and that's Patrick. I love his quad combo, for his air position, height and the incredible distance he gets. It just seems to go on forever...and can't forget the smooth as butter landing. Also, Patrick's entrance to his quad the last two seasons, with the proceeding footwork and edging was so difficult, and under appreciated because he made it look so easy like so many things he does, it was taken for granted by many skating fans. Mind you, the Kurt Browning did acknowledge how insane Patrick's quad entrance was and that everyone else would take a straight line into theirs. :)
     
  23. vigiliae

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    Thank you PChiddy ubers for all the vids and photos! :D

    IMO this is Patrick's biggest problem, not 3A nor consistency. He would be underestimated forever because of his speciality! :p

    Speaking of another quad, I am curious why he does not try switching the second quad and the 3A. although he insisted that his current quad jump is not his best yet, he would surely be able to manage the jump in the second half. I think it's easier than switching one 4T to 4S/4F since he's experienced with 2 4Ts in the program.

    BTW I personally prefer 4F if it's possible. His 3F is actrally gorgeous...
     
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    Anyone's allowed to win with falls except Chan. And their falls don't count and will be ignored. Only Chan's falls are counted and accumulative.
     
  25. The Accordion

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    I did notice at least the rage at the PCS suggesting that Hanyu is in the same league as Takahashi. That was interesting at least. Other than the falls complaints that suggest Patrick is the only one to win / place with falls - the next biggest complaint is that judges dare to marks his PCS (particularly INT and PER) the same or even better than Takahashi. So at least some of that anger is being spread around! (And I am a Takahashi fan too - I just don't think there is validity to others not being at all worthy)
     
  26. VarBar

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    Kozuka at Skate America in the free skate was on par with Jeremy Abbott in the interpretation department although Jeremy is such an exquisite artist on the ice, isn't he?
    Oda at Skate Canada this year scored higher on interpretation than Florent Amodio and the fans of Amodio call him THE ARTIST.

    Maybe the scoring system doesn't work the way some figure skating fans think it works?

    Hanyu with a fall at the latest World Championships was allowed to beat Takahashi in the free skate but Chan with a fall was not, his win was a disgrace, right?:lol: Btw, can anyone explain how Takahashi ended up with positive GOE for the quad he landed on two feet in the FS segment? Or how he got the highest FS components score at the Vancouver Olympics although he fell and had the 9th technical mark overall? Just curious. The 9th tehnical mark but the first components mark? This might be be unheard of in the history of figure skating.:shuffle:

    Tiny Patrick reminds me of Jeffrey Buttle standing between two really big guys after a show in China sometime this year.:lol: I don't know where to find that picture to show it to you.
     
  27. spikydurian

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    This reflects my very own thinking. Thanks sequins.

    Why am I not hearing “Hanyu will fall 4 times and win?”; “Daisuke skates poorly and still win silver?” Because the same rule can only be applied to some and not others? To those who shout foul play, if you wish to build yourself a reputation of being fair, lead by example. Think before you post and make judgements freely on others. Your posts speak more of yourselves than the one you are berating.

    That was one of my favourite program. And I too think he should have scored better. But did Patrick complain about his scores? I don’t think I have read about his complaints about his scores even when he was not yet an elite skater.

    Oh yes I remembered the picture. Like Patrick, Buttle looks soo small besides the huge dudes.:lol:
     
  28. spikydurian

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    The above was posted by a Patrick Chan on another forum.

    Closer picture of the Russian FSO 'bear' awarded to Patrick. I didn't realise the bear was wearing Patrick's skating costume. So sweet of the Russian fans.

    IFS December cover story on Patrick.
     
  29. clarie

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    Yes, so cute...down to the little red lines of his pants. He looks thrilled :)
     
  30. clarie

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    We don't have anything like that in Canada.......What are we going to do? Dress up a beaver in skating clothes ;)