Patrick Uber Thread - from Vancouver to Sochi

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  1. Japanfan

    Japanfan Well-Known Member

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    Thanks so much for posting that spikydurian. The journalist who interviewed Patrick did her homework and was able to capture who he is. I got the sense that Patrick isn't someone who likes competing, not in that way that others such as Stoijko and Kwan did.

    At the same time, he comes across as highly motivated and focused.

    I think he has a fighting chance in Sochi and will be a nervous wreck as his SP approaches.
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  2. blueglass

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    That's a wonderful article. I wasn't aware that Patrick's father spoke only French to him and his mother only Cantonese. I watched some multi-cultural children in my own family struggle in a similar environment, although in their case it was only two languages, and it was surprisingly disorienting for the kids. One toddler in particular would look at us with worry and fear on her face when she heard our voices. I tried to always smile when I spoke to her but it didn't seem to help. I say surprisingly because I'd always heard that was the best way to learn languages but it definitely must leave a mark on some kids. This adds to the enigma that is Patrick.

    The rink story is really sad. I'd love to know who the skater was that caused Patrick to be ostracized - Off with her head! Figure skaters seem to embody the worst of high-school behaviour.
  3. Rafter

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    I spoke with Max Aaron's parents at Worlds last year. They were very nice (especially his mom) and said "it was sad what happened with Patrick and that he would be leaving". They said they loved Patrick and his mom and that he and Max would hang out often.

    Who else trains in Colorado? Zawadski, Mroz, Aaron, who else?
  4. skatesindreams

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    The article only adds to my admiration for Patrick.
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  5. fscric

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    Rafter, thanks for the tidbit. It's sad to hear about what's happened to Patrick from a third person, but I'm glad he's found happiness in Detroit and made a ton of friends there.
  6. luckiest1

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    Wonderful article, really sheds some light on what Patrick has gone through these past few years.
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    I'm glad he's found a place to train that is condusive to training and socializing in off moments. There's no excuse for nastiness, except perhaps jealousy, seeing that Patrick probably was the only Canadian there of the elite set.
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  8. VarBar

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    Patrick did mention as one of the reasons why he decided to change training bases the fact that there were some 20 skaters at the rink at the same time and a lot of kids among them and added that he ended up skipping sessions last season because he didn't feel like training in that atmosphere. Somehow I knew Patrick would have to leave Coloroado Springs sooner or later after parting ways with Christy Krall and I now wish it had been sooner rather than later.

    DSC does seem to be a better environment for him judging by his own description of the place: "All the skaters are treated equally here. It doesn't matter you're an American, an Italian or a Canadian."
  9. blueglass

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    He and Rachel Flatt were good friends and I wondered at the time she left if he'd find it lonesome.
  10. spikydurian

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    Slipchuk described 'them' as 15-16yos and that's actually 'high school age'. Kids at that age tend to be territorial and aggressive and I suppose being an 'outsider/Canadian' didn't help. I believe he was training with Flatt and Bradley in his earlier days in Colorado and Bradley has since retired from skating after Vancouver. When did Flatt retire? And yes VarBar, I also wish he had moved away earlier because his unhappiness was so apparent after the split with Krall but I suppose it may be a bit more complicated than just packing one's bags and go? His parents bought a flat in Colorado Springs so I assume they had originally anticipated a longer term stay in C.S. Rafter, Patrick did talk about the two reasons which might hold him back from moving to Detroit in his earlier interviews - his family's home in C.S. and his good friend, Max Aaron. Glad it's now history. He definitely thrived along side with other elite skaters in Detroit. As his fan, so long he's happy, I am happy.:)

    blueglass, immersion language school is the best way to learn a language which is not spoken at home. I am speaking from experience. Also, start them young if you wish the children to be multi-lingual. I don't think Patrick speaks Cantonese very well but I think he does understand it when spoken to in Cantonese.
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    My Niece was in a similar situation at university. First year, she stayed in a dorm where she made friends. Second year, the group of friends rented a house off campus. Eventually one of the house mates turned against my Niece, speaking negatively behind her back. I never heard what changed. I am not sure my Niece knows. From what I know, it seems this girl was somewhat of a diva type. Perhaps she was jealous because my Niece was pretty, athletic (a member of the schools prestigious rugby team), intelligent (consistently earns the Queens scholarship award, with grades in the 80's and 90's), had the largest bedroom in the house while the diva girl had the smallest. Whatever the reason, this girl began turning some of the other girls against her. Some remained loyal friends and defended her, keeping her informed as to what was happening when she was out. Unfortunately, one-by-one her allies left the house (transferring to other universities etc.). My Niece eventually found herself alone against the diva and her clique. Fortunately this third school year, my Niece has moved out and is more happy with the new group of house mates she now has. It was the best decision for her, and likely was in Patrick's case also.

    P.S. My Niece owned most of the furniture in that house. :lol:
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  12. luckiest1

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    I saw a tweet yesterday to say that team DSC arrived safely in Ottawa (tagged @pchiddy too) so that's good news! Apparently there was a news report to say that they might have to delay events if officials/skaters aren't able to make it here on time. We drove in yesterday and the roads were clear, but some flights are still delayed. There is a lot of ice build up on sidewalks, parking lots, etc. It's quite treacherous walking. I've been driving my mom right to the door to get her inside (the hotel, restaurants, etc). We are heading over to the rink for the first set of practices this morning. I hope things are running on schedule!
  13. Emdee

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    I hope not at least beyond Sunday.....have to get back to work.
  14. VarBar

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    Lori Ewing ‏@Ewingsports 1h
    Patrick Chan says he was like a "puppy at puppy daycare" at Vancouver Games. Compared his first Olympics to summer camp.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdkFpK2CMAAEg72.jpg:large

    Someone tweeted they saw beautiful 4Ts from Patrick in practice today but that his 3As were...wild. lol

    Good luck this weekend, Patrick.:kickass:
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  15. spikydurian

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    Thanks VarBar. That's Chiddy .... 'Puppy at puppy daycare centre'.:lol:

    luckiest1, drive safely. I hope the ice pileup did not impede your mum's mobility and she is still able to enjoy herself. Emdee, have your arrived in Ottawa yet? Hope the schedule won't be changed and noone misses anything. Bless the wild weather. It was 44 degrees C in Brisbane one day and 30 the next.

    Keep posting the practice reports, please. And yes, good luck to Chiddy and all the skaters.
  16. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    That's hilarious. :dog:
  17. luckiest1

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    We're at the arena, no problems with ice here as its well salted. Patrick's practice this afternoon was good except for some falls and misses on the 3 axel. Both quads in the LP run through we're great. I'm going to stick around for the late practice in hopes he comes back and skates his short.
  18. Corianna

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    I saw the early practise. Patrick missed the triple A in the run through of the free- and then tried it many times through out the rest of the session, popped once, but made it most times. He was all business- but in good form. Kevin looked very good. Poor Nam has to skater after Patrick tomorrow for the short.
  19. spikydurian

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    Thank you ladies for the update. I am happy to hear Kevin is looking very good. What a relief. The team needs him. Aw.. Nam. Look at it positively. A lesson is handling one's nerve.
  20. VarBar

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    I checked the starting order for the SP yesterday and Patrick is entered as the last one to skate tonight.:confused:

    Let him nail the 3A when it counts, hopefully he will.

    spiky, I wanted to answer your question about Flatt in my earlier post but I forgot.:lol: Rachael didn't retire from skating, she's competing at US Nationals these days, I suppose she just changed training bases.
  21. luckiest1

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    It's weird that they played the music out of order for the practices. Last night's men's practice was at 10 p.m. Patrick, Elladj, Liam & Andrei were all a couple of minutes late, causing us to start panicking LOL. Must have been something going on back stage. Patrick did run through his SP but it was rough, he didn't have a good practice. Falls on the axel and the quad, but then he successfully landed them later on. He just seemed frustrated and a bit out of sorts. There is another men's practice today prior to the short program, but it's during the ladie's SP so it's skated in another arena. Damn, I hate when they do that. I won't be able to attend.

    Most of the guys signed autographs for the crowds after the practice last night, including Patrick. So nice to see. Hope some of you guys are coming to the dinner tonight at Bert's at 5 p.m. :)
  22. Corianna

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    Did you manage to make a reservation, Lisa? I couldn't get an answer?
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    Someone made a reservation for FSUers at 5:00, but now it's been changed from Bert's to Check Point at section 119.
  24. luckiest1

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    Wow, no posts? Not Patrick's best skate, but beautiful quad triple and choreography. Not sure what happened, but he'll put it together tomorrow, I'm sure. I'm thinking of heading to the other arena for the practice at 2:30 if anyone wants to join me.
  25. Emdee

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    Yes very sad but lovely to see him again
  26. fscric

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    What happened? I just checked the score and he got +3GOE for his Quad/triple, his 3A turned into a 2A. Oh, what happened to the 3Lz which has turned into 2Lz? Was he in bad shape or what?
  27. totoro8673

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    I really want to see Patrick's SP video but I can't find it yet.:(
  28. spikydurian

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    I haven't seen the vid. I heard he was having a bit of trouble landing his 3A in practices. Based on what I read in K&C, someone think he kind of 'tripped on something' hence he turned the 3Lz into 2Lz. I don't think he is in bad shape. Other than that, everything was quality I read.
  29. Japanfan

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    One can look at this in different ways. The first is from the perspective of consistency. Patrick has never been strongly consistent in the sense of a Yagudin or Stoijko, though his 4/3 is a pretty consistent jump. He has doubled the axel, lutz and other jumps in the past from time to time. He really hasn't had a lot of perfect programs, he was at his best at TEB this season. So less than perfect at the GFP and less than perfect at Nationals may mean his chances of skating perfect at the Olympics have increased - that he's 'due' for clean performances' - given that he delivers perfect sometime.

    Hanyu delivered clean at GPF and Nationals, so maybe his chance of skating perfect at the Olympics have decreased, given that he is not strongly consistent either.

    The other way of looking at this is that a strong nationals performances indicates a readiness for the Olympics. What Patrick got from the Canadian commentators was "He cannot do this again at Sochi'. Depending on how he does in his FS, the flaws in the SP and the FP - if there are any - will be mentioned during the Olympics. Less than perfect at Nationals will be seen as a sign that he vulnerable.
  30. fscric

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    It seems to me that Patrick tends to peak at National, so I'm hoping this year he's leaving the best for Sochi.

    Can't find the clip on youtube yet, if anybody came across it, please post the link here, thanks.
  31. Corianna

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    Luckies !, I would happily join you. I'm in 117, row d. Seat 13. I have your section but not your seat number. I'll come to the top of 112b and look for you after the Women's - toarrange a meet.
  32. luckiest1

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    Awesome Corianna, I am in row J seat 9. First row above the kiss and cry. See you soon.
  33. VarBar

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    Patrick didn't blame his mistake on the Lutz on tripping on something, he just assumed he didn't have enough speed going into the jump. I for one am tempted to believe it's actually all in his head.

    I really feel badly for him, he must be utterly disappointed in his skate and wondering what's going on, he put so much work in it in training and still failed to deliver a clean or near clean performance in competition. Very frustrating indeed.:(
  34. algonquin

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    Relax, I am sure that he has moved on. He tends to peak at Nationals, so I think that last night skate was a good sign. Tracy Wilson said that he has been having difficulty skating in a North American size rink. That could have been part of the problem.
  35. sequins

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    As we all know barring an epic disaster Patrick is winning here so I don't think it's so bad. 2 double jumps, every thing else was fine. As everyone says he peaks at Nationals. He's usually amazing so it's a good reminder, a kick in the butt to keep going, keep working hard, you're not there yet. I'm sure he's disappointed but in the grand scheme of things, what does it really mean? It's not Sochi and that is where he wants perfection, not now. Nice every time, but not realistic. So here's hoping he has a great skate today and enjoys every moment, they don't come along everyday.:)
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  36. luckiest1

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    Men's practice at alternate arena...Patrick looking very solid as he warms up each triple jump, prior to his run through.

    Eta: quads also solid, partial run through with music, quad, 3 axel and other triples all there. Great practice session, so glad I went over.
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  37. fscric

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    Any report on Patrick's performance? I just got the score from Skate Canada's tweet, did Patrick miss anything?
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    Tripled his second quad. He also got negative GOE on the loop.
  39. sequins

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    Again not his best but darn good. Triple axel was awesome. After missing the second quad he just friggin' attacked it and it was a beauty! Quite shaky tonight but congrats anyways on #7 Paddy!:)
  40. fscric

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    Thank you. I hope Patrick is saving his best for Sochi.