Patrick Uber Thread - from Vancouver to Sochi

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  1. bbkenn

    bbkenn Well-Known Member

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    I agree about Elvis, although Kurt is my all time favorite male skater, with PC in second!!! love the video.
  2. Emdee

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    Kurt was my all time fave but this boy Patrick is something special
  3. manhn

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    Kurt's fall on the 3z in his 93 Canadians perf of Casablanca is so indelible in my mind. His fall fit *perfectly* with the music!

    The COP/6.0 debate is sometimes interesting but I generally find that the truly dominant skaters in whatever era they were in would've excelled in a different era--even someone truly maligned like Beatrix Schuba or Elvis (who himself probably underestimates how well he would've done under the new system--his skills would've made him do quads in the second half but unlike someone like Aaron, Elvis always had the confidence to actually do them). Patrick would've achieved in the old system what he is achieving now.
  4. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    I think Kurt was technically strong during his time. He had (still have) very good skating skills. He would prove a formidable competitor in the current COP era.

    I think the off-ice training in balance has helped Patrick a lot in his jumps. Many commentators took notes on how he ‘managed to save his jumps despite being a bit off’ due to his incredible core

    I loved all my favourites but right now, Patrick IS my divine skater. :swoon: .....:D

    Yes, agree with manhn! Being figure skating fans, we are fortunate to have witnessed and enjoyed these incredible gifted athletes. Elvis, Kurt, Yag, Patrick etc. would have excelled, COP or 6.0.:respec:
  5. Corianna

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    Kurt stopped doing the lutz when he turned pro-- or so he said.
  6. blueglass

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    Kurt did 'two' triple lutzes in his 1992 Olympic LP. I also think he would have excelled under the CoP. I think the difference in their ages - Kurt being four or five years older in 1994 than Patrick will be in 2014 is what we're actually comparing, but we should be thinking back four years to 1990 for Kurt to get a proper comparison of technical ability - if Kurt had been trained in the CoP at that time, there's no doubt in my mind he'd be giving Patrick a run for his money. Patrick sometimes reminds me more of Stojko than of Kurt, but it's only fleeting. On the other hand I think Elvis would have a tough time with CoP - he was awfully stubborn about his 'style'.
  7. spikydurian

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    ^^^ However stubborn Elvis was, he might adapt to COP if it meant winning?

    Can't remember whether I have posted this vid here before. A Patrick's montage. Luckiest, it's for you. Chiddy's smiles and happy face.
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  8. luckiest1

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    I was a huge Elvis fan, but even I'm not sure he would have been able to adapt to COP. He was quite stubborn about certain things (pointing his toes, and spread eagles come to mind). LOL.

    spikydurian, OMG that was awesome! Thank you so much!
  9. manhn

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    There are plenty of skaters who don't point their toes, etc and still get sky-high marks under COP.

    What was Elvis' issue with spread eagles?
  10. Corianna

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    Fabulous Spikey! That's a keeper!. As you're so good at finding vids, the one I can't track down is when Canada's French network, Radio Canada, sent Patrick to waylay and interview Brian Joubert. It was at a competition before the London world's but I can't remember where or when. The image of a frisky lab puppy dancing around a great bear, and totally delightful. I think it only aired on Radio Canada, and I can't find it on their site.
  11. skatesindreams

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    No one would survive the physical demands of technical content like that for long enough to have any choreography,
    We would have reached the point of diminishing returns, IMO.
  12. screech

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    I forget which of the (many) videos of TEB I watched, but in one of them, Patrick said his goal was to do a clean long program, which is what he does in practices. So it seems he's somewhat used to doing everything, which may be why there was less celebration.

    Hoping that whatever he's doing so wonderfully keeps working for him. If when in Sochi he skates remotely like he did in Paris, he will be unbeatable (as it should be with a well-skating Chan).
  13. jettasian

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    Now I am concerned...with the crazy judging in CoR, who knows....
  14. Anita18

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    I reeeeaaally hope the judges are smart enough not to be THAT obvious. :lol: I think they know figure skating doesn't need yet another judging controversy.

    I think the Russian Fed are politiking their own skaters for Olympic spots, not that they're going to unseat the favorites at the Olympics. B&S beating both D&W and V&M would be utterly preposterous. And I do wager a clean Chan would beat a clean Plushenko at this point in time.
  15. IceAlisa

    IceAlisa Port de bras!!!

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    Love this. Thanks for posting.
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  17. spikydurian

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    Thanks crosses9. He was talking about maintaining the right pace throughout the program. It really takes a lot of practice to 'learn to breathe properly' so that it becomes natural (ie. you don't think need to think of when you need to breathe in and out). I am learning some simple qigong exercise and every movement I need to learn whether to breathe in or out. It doesn't come naturally.

    Corianna, I tried to google for the interview with Joubert on Radio Canada but couldn't find anything. :( Maybe we can try contacting Radio Canada?

    Here's and old vid of Patrick participating in the Liberty competition in 2007. Yes, he's only 16yo then. Notice his already very good footwork at that age. His jumps weren't bad. :)
  18. blueglass

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    I think the erratic judging this year is just part of a historical pattern of pre-Olympic positioning and posturing. No one other than figure skating fans are really paying attention so they're all having a go at getting their favourites in line to be a contender. I'm sure the Olympic judging will be better.
  19. spikydurian

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    ^^^ Yes, we'll see how it goes in the GPF. It is not easy to compare between competitions. Two weeks more to go!
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    Judges. Smart? One would hope, but history has proven otherwise. They may know skating doesn't need another judging controversy but question is do they care? Why is the judging 'erratic'? Why will it be better in Sochi? Why not now? This a friggin' sport. Judge it. Properly. According to the rules at every competiton, or why bother? You don't get to 'position your countries skaters or your faves' . You judge what they do plain and simple. Again it's a sport or it isn't and this crap says it isn't so kick the damn thing out of the Olympics. Sorry I don't mean to rant but I'm getting fed up, I am this close to being done with it.
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  21. Anita18

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    Baby Patrick starfish hands! :cheer: His skating skills were already so good. :cool:

    This is the first year he went senior. Hilariously, I was looking at Patrick's Wikipedia entry to get the timeline, and it turns out I have the same Chinese surname as he does, and we both have the same Chinese surname as Tiffany Chin. My surname is not spelled Chin or Chan. Clearly, Westernizing Chinese names has no standard whatsoever. :rofl:
  22. spikydurian

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    ^^^ You can guess where they 'originate' from or their dialects based on their 'westernised' surnames. Chan is usually Cantonese and from HongKong. Chin is likely to be from SE Asia (Malaysia/Singapore). Chen can be China, Taiwan or SE Asia. I was having fun with my South Korean friend just the other day discussing and comparing surnames because some Korean 'westernised' surnames are similar to Chinese (mainly from SE Asia) like Chung, Lee, Im, Cheong etc. My Korean friend, who is highly talented :), is able to write all these Korean surnames in Chinese character, and in most cases, we found them similar.

    Oh dear, thanks to Weir, 'starfish hands' are now synonynous with Chiddy.:lol:
  23. Anita18

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    "Starfish hands" is the perfect description though! :lol:

    And yeah, it did occur to me that Chan's parents could be from Hong Kong. It is rather interesting, seeing how Westernized Chinese names can point to origin. My surname is neither Chan, Chin, or Chen. :rofl:
  24. Emdee

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    All names point to origin.....
  25. Anita18

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    Well yes, but China's a very big place, and many people emigrated from there to other countries, keeping their Chinese names. Clearly Patrick Chan, Tiffany Chin, and I are originally from China because our last names are written the same.

    My observation is that the written language is the same, but the regional pronunciations are not, which is how you can pinpoint origin a little more specifically, by using the Westernized spellings.
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    I am from Vietnam, and it's TRAN, which is same as Chan.....
  27. Emdee

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    Besides Hakka travelled all over the world......
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    Good point, do they have that character in Japanese kanji too? :lol:
  29. jettasian

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    It will be interesting to see how Patrick will perform at GPF. He has never performed well in Japan before.
  30. spikydurian

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    ^^ He mention in an interview (CBC I think) that he expects the Japanese men to do well being on home ground. I expect him to do what he has been doing in practice. I don't expect him to break records all the time. I will be happy that he maintains the positive momentum.
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    IIRC, Patrick says he suffers severe jet lag when traveling, and Japan is a fair way to go with lots of time zones, and doesn't do well with different foods. So here's wishing him well, and a safe and restful flight. I really want him to knock it out of the ballpark, so he goes into Olys minus all his usual detractors and haters.
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    And with his happy confidence undiminished. Indeed. I sure understand about the jet lag. I imagine he'll at least have a first class ticket this time, and let's hope he arrives early.
  33. manhn

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    I'm not hugely worried about it. The Japanese men have a lot more riding on the results of the GPF as opposed to Patrick, because results of the GPF will potentially secure an Olympic spot for Dai, Hanyu or Machida (pretty much guaranteed, unless the Japanese men go 4-5-6). So, I wouldn't be shocked if one of the Japanese guys win.
  34. jettasian

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    I know this is a Patrick fan thread...so don't wanna say too much...but come on, regardless how Dai/Hanyu perform at GPF or their National, they ARE GOING to Sochi. The other 3/4 Japanese men will fight for one last spot.

    Patrick should go there a few days ahead of time to get rid of the jetlag. I hope he will win. Not that it matters, but to continue with the momentum is key.
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    They are competing more against each other than they are against Chan. Isn't it is the top finisher in the GPF who gets a bye to Sochi (regardless of placement)?

    That saying, if Japan goes 1-2, it might help #2 to get a spot, providing he does well at Nats.
  36. Emdee

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    I am fairly of the opinion that with these two programs patrick is competing against himself.
    The Olys will bring other tensions but the GPF will just be another rehearsal or the big event.
  37. jettasian

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    So this GPF is the last "international" competition before Sochi isn't it? I wonder if he gets beaten in TES scores, will he try to up his TES base value at National? I think if he is more confident with his 3A, he may add another one for his LP? It's pretty risky though.
  38. spikydurian

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    I think he will medal although I won't be worried even if he does not win gold though gold would be great.:D Like manhn said, the Japanese men have more to lose. Not saying that Patrick should purposely lose but I would prefer that he maintains his focus on Sochi. Whatever he gathered on his journey to Sochi is bonus.

    jett, not sure what he has to gain in adding an additional jump. It may disturb his current rhythm which seems to be going well. Then again, we don't know what his team has in mind. It probably depends on how well he and his competitors are progressing. Will see .... should know by Nationals.
  39. Emdee

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    Is double axel in combination? if so it will be a placeholder to possibly convert it to triple axel if need be.

    Likely we will know by nats or he may just convert it day off.... I loved his Triple axel in TEB especially in the long program.
  40. VarBar

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    I thought the Japanese selection system for Worlds and Olympics was solely based on how the skaters place at Nationals but maybe I was wrong.

    Going back to Patrick, I'm thinking that since he has considered doing two 3As at Nationals, he already knows how the choreo should be tweaked to accommodate two triple axel jumps and at what point in the program he can attempt the second one.

    IMO Patrick doesn't need more difficult content if he can skate cleanly because the skaters who could arguably beat him on TES don't score anywhere near him on the PC mark.

    For the GPF, I just want to see a confident and relaxed Patrick who enjoys skating and competing. The GPF is not the Olympic Games. Nor is TEB for that matter although I suspect Patrick wished it had been because the monstrously high score he posted for a flawless free is pretty damn hard even for him to top.