Patrick Chan's Score, Second by Second

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by jettasian, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. jjane45

    jjane45 New Member

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    +1 thank you!!
     
  2. YoenNL

    YoenNL Active Member

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    I love the way this paper explains a lot of concepts in judging!
     
  3. Judy

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    I'm at work so don't have much time to look at it now but will do so later in the week.

    Whether you are a fan or not .. and hey I like the competitors especially Dai but unless you're blind .. Chan is very, very, very good at what he does.
     
  4. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    Here are Takahashi and Chan. I'll try to get to Abbott tonight or soon.


    Boldface, intricacy; italics, difficulty; asterisk, good quality of transitional element

    TAKAHASHI

    LBI pivot 2 revolutions*
    RFO three
    Wide 2-foot 180-degree turn
    Crossovers
    Mohawk, two feet, step forward, LFO three into 4T
    Quick turns (threes and mohawks); two feet with torso moves
    Simple steps, hold back edge to 3A, held landing
    Forward outside three, back outside choctaw
    Cross in front three times, change edge up into 3S
    Toe assisted edge change into three turn
    Brief inside spread eagle counterclockwise, wide step to clockwise crossover
    Back inside mohawk, RFI three into change camel spin
    Stop and brief pose on two feet, starts skating directly into circular steps
    continuing directly into flying combo spin

    Pose, counterclockwise turns on two feet, clockwise traveling threes or slow RBI double twizzle;
    Forward outside three, threes and mohawks both directions
    Back edge to 3A+3T
    Step forward to forward crossovers
    LFO choctaw
    Mohawks into 3F+2T
    Traveling threes with wide free leg
    Other small steps and free leg flairs into 3Lo
    Backward dancy two-foot edge changes
    Clockwise toe turn, step forward, RFI bracket
    RBO three to two foot, forward crossovers
    Mohawks or shallow choctaws, mohawk, cross step to 3Lz+2T
    Small mazurka
    Three, cross, step forward, forward crossovers
    Quick mohawks, traveling threes, mohawk to 3F
    Step forward, two foot, torso move, clockwise half turn
    RBO 1.5 twizzle, pose
    Straight-line choreo steps
    Two feet with brief inside spread eagle, arm and head moves
    Step forward, slide chasse, forward inside three into combo spin


    CHAN
    LBI pivot
    small LFO rocker, two feet, RBO three
    small Ina/lunge with torso, knee lilt in stroking
    Forward crossovers, LFO choctaw, LBO mohawk, RFO three, LFO three to 4T (the turns aren't difficult in themselves, but deep curves and turns in both directions to set up a quad is unusual -- thanks to Kurt Browning for pointing this out)
    Forward crossovers, LFO counter, cross
    LBO three, LFI mohawk (? camera angle changes), step out and back (mohawks? choctaws?) to right, step forward to left, LFO three to 4T+2T
    (same caveats)
    LFO three, RBO rond de jambe
    mohawks and threes in both directions (or RFO rocker?)
    3A
    mazurka to lunge, into circular steps
    RBO stretch to flying combo spin
    RFI rocker with free foot assist?
    Two-foot lungy glides both directions
    pose, lunge
    clockwise forward crossovers, RFO three, hopped choctaw clicking feet in air
    two feet, LFI mohawk, cross to 3Lz+1Lo+3S
    two-foot clockwise glide
    RBO three (CCW), LFI mohawk (CW), crossover, RBI three, two-foot arm stretch, mohawk, 3Lo
    two-foot clockwise glide
    RBO three-RFI mohawk, forward crossovers, LFO choctaw-half walley
    RBO three, mohawk to 3F+3T step forward into
    change sitspin

    RBO three? two-foot turn changing lobe and direction
    back crossovers, backward hop (off balance) into 3Lz (fall)
    forward crossovers, two-foot turn changing lobe to
    outside spread eagle, back three-mohawk into 2A
    intentional big back double three on landing
    step forward, crossover, RFO rocker, crossover
    to choreo steps
    combo spin
    pose, brief inside spread eagle, knee pose

    If I had to summarize, for those two specific performances I'd say Takahashi had a bit more intricacy and more quality that day and Chan had more variety and difficulty, particularly in ways that also contribute to Skating Skills as well as Transitions

    Feel free to argue specifics :)
     
  5. overedge

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    I thought you were arguing that's what Chan does every time.
     
  6. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

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    Thanks gkelly--great analysis.

    I did wonder if:

    LFO choctaw, LBO mohawk, RFO three, LFO three to 4T
    and
    LBO three, LFI mohawk (? camera angle changes), step out and back (mohawks? choctaws?) to right, step forward to left, LFO three to 4T+2T

    Would they really be considered intricate, or just unique?
     
  7. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Sasha

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    Gkelly,

    Fantastic work! Thanks for all the details.
     
  8. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

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    I'd say by the standard of entering into a triple flip, for example, they would be just average transitions, but by quad standards I'll count them as intricate.

    Look at the way most guys go into quads. E.g., Takahashi gliding straight forward on two feet before making the final turn. That's typical.
     
  9. kwanfan1818

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    Many thanks, gkelly!