Patrick Chan complains about the time of World Team Trophy

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  1. lowtherlore

    lowtherlore New Member

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    But elite figure skating is comparatively more taxing on the body and requires grueling training 5-6 days a week and for many of them I guess 50 weeks a year. AFAIK, elite skaters risk losing the feel even with a two-day break.

    I don’t agree other sports have longer season, either. After the Worlds, skaters (particularly top-level ones) have numerous show skating commitments and they should begin preparing for the next season by June as well.
     
  2. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    From you or Cyn?;)
     
  3. Zemgirl

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    I see Scott Moir has handed over the captain's responsibilities in their entirety :p

    Honestly, I understood the complaints back in 2009, when this was a new event and skaters really seemed to be caught by surprise by its existence and timing. That's no longer the case. Either manufacture an excuse not to go - it's not that hard - or play along. Although considering how Chan skated this season (results notwithstanding) I can understand why he'd want it to be over.
     
  4. skateboy

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    If I knew him I'd give him my two cents. ;)

    Seriously, wouldn't it be a good idea for SOMEONE to teach Patrick to be at least a tiny, little bit more PC? Complaining always comes across as sour grapes. And I like him.
     
  5. znhurston

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    Well, the timing of the event certainly didn't seem to effect Chan's teammate, Kevin Reynolds who has been attempting four quads all season.
     
  6. Cyn

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    Hee - that's what this (below) is referring to:

    *whistles innocently* :saint:
     
  7. Zemgirl

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    I somehow missed that ;)

    I'm almost tempted to make a list of all the skaters and things that Chan has taken offense with over the years. But not quite. :saint:
     
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  10. Japanfan

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    Can anyone verify if this source is valid or the translation is true? The wording to me is suspect.
     
  11. midori

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    For translation you may argue choice of words and how it sounds but I think it is generally very accurate. Although I have no idea how it's been translated into the Japanese article from what Patrick really said in English.

    The word "prepare" in the original Japanese sentence of "I wanted to prepare for the Olympics" gives me an impression that 'taking rest' is a part of it.

    Also "irritated" near the end does not exactly convey the original word but I cannot find a better word either for word-for-word translation. The original sentence sounds like he showed his frustration that he did not achieve things as he had wanted. (just my impression.)

    Anyway no point for digging too deep into words that have been translated (and the media may have twisted).
     
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  12. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Sasha

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    I agree about the other sports being much more grueling- schedule wise. Ex: Basketball players run up & down the court for several minutes at a time (more than 4-5 min.), they risk injuries from the opposition, and many times during the season they have back to back games, on the road. They are traveling frequently, playing games in 4-5 cities in 7-8 days. I am not saying FS isn't easy, but as you pointed out, compared to other sports they don't play/compete that much. I can understand fatigue, but you rarely hear players in other pro leagues about their schedules or the demands on their bodies.
     
  13. seabm7

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    The information is not correct. The Canadian Stars on Ice Tour starts on 4/19. After he goes back to Canada, he has to prepare for the show programs, which leaves zero rest time for Chan. This tour ends on 5/10. Then the Chinese tour happens during the mid of June.

    In the end, he will finally have some rest time of 3-4 weeks between May and June. I wonder when he will get the new LP choreographed.
     
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  14. Mayra

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    Patrick looked to be having fun in the K&C tonight. He cheered on his teammates and competitors and played up to the crowd in general. :)
     
  15. spikydurian

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    There is a difference Vash01. The pros are paid to play each time. Figure skaters are not paid to figure skate. If they win, they get some prize monies and that is peanuts compared to what club players earn. The pros are supported in their training. Not figure skaters. Their parents foot most of their bills.
     
  16. fscric

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    You're wasting your time, spikydurian.
     
  17. spikydurian

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    :lol: I feel spiky tonight ... :rollin:
     
  18. EricRohmer

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    Right.

    And I like Chan's frankness.
     
  19. Jammers

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    Maybe Chan should have put aside some time this summer to get some rest and not be touring all over the place. He knew the Olympics are next year.
     
  20. Zemgirl

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    But there is money for top skaters and for those who get invited to do some of the bigger shows. Skaters get paid for placements at GPs, ISU Championships and the WTT (handsomely, in the case of the WTT). The same cannot be said for many athletes who also have to train constantly and compete much more often than skaters: Olympians in less popular sports, women (and some men) cyclists, tennis players who are good enough to compete but probably not to win major events, etc. make ridiculously low amounts of money.

    Also, professional team sports pay a lot at the top level, not so much at lower levels. I can guarantee you that most minor league baseball players and college student-athletes work very hard for less than what a skater at Chan's level can earn, and most college and MiLB players will not make it to the NBA/NFL/MLB. I'll allow that they don't have comparable training expenses, but some skaters are able to keep their training costs down - and most still manage to pay for cars, vacations, nice clothes to wear to banquets and so on; some even own homes. They are hardly starving.
     
  21. SkateFan66

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    Skating in the 2009 WTT did not hurt Lysacek's 2010 Olympic season. He used it as an opportunity to back up his gold at the 2009 WC by placing first in the men's event at WTT. Lysacek competed at both the 2009 WC & 2009 WTT with a stress fractures in his foot. Part of the treatment for the stress fracture was to be off ice and wear a boot on the injured foot for several weeks; which Lysacek did after competing at WTT. Therefore, there is plenty of time for the skaters to compete at WTT, rest, then start training for the Olympic season.
     
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  22. umronnie

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    Well, Patrick gets about $20K in prize money for this week's ordeal. That's more than I make in 6 months. I'd give up a little vacation time for this.
     
  23. Jammers

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    It's like Chan is already coming up with excuses if he starts getting beat next season. What is it about Canadians whining at this event? First Scott Moir last year and now Chan.
     
  24. bmcg

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    They do it so posters like you have something to talk about in the off season.
     
  25. Jammers

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    Mission accomplished. :lol:
     
  26. Alixana

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    Honestly, we're never happy with these poor skaters. Either they're 'too frank and how *dare* they say what they mean' OR 'bah, they've learned media speak and turned into talking heads'. Let's use the summer to set up the FSU School of Media Relations. :lol:
     
  27. Zemgirl

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    And then their fans accuse the critics of being haters, and the vicious cycle continues all off-season long :lol:

    That would be another off-season option. But really, I'm not buying that - there is a lot of possibilities for skaters to express themselves than fall somewhere between "canned media speak" and "stick skate in mouth repeatedly". Chan, and some other skaters, simply need to find that happy medium.
     
  28. midori

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    You mean, you are willing to pay bills for him? If so, yeah he should have. ;)
     
  29. VarBar

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    I wish the Chan ubers and the Chan haterz stopped being so predictable. Those who love Chan would defend him no matter what he says or does and those who can't stand him would blow most of his statements out of proportion and turn him into the villain. It's boring.

    Sorry for interfering with the discussion.
     
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  30. taf2002

    taf2002 Texas slumlord

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    Are you f'g kidding? Megastar pro players (esp basketball) complain about everything - it's too hot, it's too cold, my equipment failed, I have a hangnail, my injury isn't healed 100%, I have new shoes, my teammates let me down, I've been on the road too long, the hotel had bad beds, etc etc ad nauseum. If they stub their toes it becomes a top news story & they have excuses for every loss. I was watching the World Series once & there were grown men boo-hooing in the losing locker room who were nit-picking every call & every play & whining about everything.