Patrick Chan complains about the time of World Team Trophy

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by tkaug, Apr 13, 2013.

  1. midori

    midori Well-Known Member

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    For translation you may argue choice of words and how it sounds but I think it is generally very accurate. Although I have no idea how it's been translated into the Japanese article from what Patrick really said in English.

    The word "prepare" in the original Japanese sentence of "I wanted to prepare for the Olympics" gives me an impression that 'taking rest' is a part of it.

    Also "irritated" near the end does not exactly convey the original word but I cannot find a better word either for word-for-word translation. The original sentence sounds like he showed his frustration that he did not achieve things as he had wanted. (just my impression.)

    Anyway no point for digging too deep into words that have been translated (and the media may have twisted).
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  2. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    I agree about the other sports being much more grueling- schedule wise. Ex: Basketball players run up & down the court for several minutes at a time (more than 4-5 min.), they risk injuries from the opposition, and many times during the season they have back to back games, on the road. They are traveling frequently, playing games in 4-5 cities in 7-8 days. I am not saying FS isn't easy, but as you pointed out, compared to other sports they don't play/compete that much. I can understand fatigue, but you rarely hear players in other pro leagues about their schedules or the demands on their bodies.
  3. seabm7

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    The information is not correct. The Canadian Stars on Ice Tour starts on 4/19. After he goes back to Canada, he has to prepare for the show programs, which leaves zero rest time for Chan. This tour ends on 5/10. Then the Chinese tour happens during the mid of June.

    In the end, he will finally have some rest time of 3-4 weeks between May and June. I wonder when he will get the new LP choreographed.
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  4. Mayra

    Mayra Well-Known Member

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    Patrick looked to be having fun in the K&C tonight. He cheered on his teammates and competitors and played up to the crowd in general. :)
  5. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

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    There is a difference Vash01. The pros are paid to play each time. Figure skaters are not paid to figure skate. If they win, they get some prize monies and that is peanuts compared to what club players earn. The pros are supported in their training. Not figure skaters. Their parents foot most of their bills.
  6. fscric

    fscric Active Member

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    You're wasting your time, spikydurian.
  7. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

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    :lol: I feel spiky tonight ... :rollin:
  8. EricRohmer

    EricRohmer New Member

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    Right.

    And I like Chan's frankness.
  9. Jammers

    Jammers Well-Known Member

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    Maybe Chan should have put aside some time this summer to get some rest and not be touring all over the place. He knew the Olympics are next year.
  10. Zemgirl

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    But there is money for top skaters and for those who get invited to do some of the bigger shows. Skaters get paid for placements at GPs, ISU Championships and the WTT (handsomely, in the case of the WTT). The same cannot be said for many athletes who also have to train constantly and compete much more often than skaters: Olympians in less popular sports, women (and some men) cyclists, tennis players who are good enough to compete but probably not to win major events, etc. make ridiculously low amounts of money.

    Also, professional team sports pay a lot at the top level, not so much at lower levels. I can guarantee you that most minor league baseball players and college student-athletes work very hard for less than what a skater at Chan's level can earn, and most college and MiLB players will not make it to the NBA/NFL/MLB. I'll allow that they don't have comparable training expenses, but some skaters are able to keep their training costs down - and most still manage to pay for cars, vacations, nice clothes to wear to banquets and so on; some even own homes. They are hardly starving.
  11. SkateFan66

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    Skating in the 2009 WTT did not hurt Lysacek's 2010 Olympic season. He used it as an opportunity to back up his gold at the 2009 WC by placing first in the men's event at WTT. Lysacek competed at both the 2009 WC & 2009 WTT with a stress fractures in his foot. Part of the treatment for the stress fracture was to be off ice and wear a boot on the injured foot for several weeks; which Lysacek did after competing at WTT. Therefore, there is plenty of time for the skaters to compete at WTT, rest, then start training for the Olympic season.
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  12. umronnie

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    Well, Patrick gets about $20K in prize money for this week's ordeal. That's more than I make in 6 months. I'd give up a little vacation time for this.
  13. Jammers

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    It's like Chan is already coming up with excuses if he starts getting beat next season. What is it about Canadians whining at this event? First Scott Moir last year and now Chan.
  14. bmcg

    bmcg Well-Known Member

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    They do it so posters like you have something to talk about in the off season.
  15. Jammers

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    Mission accomplished. :lol:
  16. Alixana

    Alixana recovering Oly-holic

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    Honestly, we're never happy with these poor skaters. Either they're 'too frank and how *dare* they say what they mean' OR 'bah, they've learned media speak and turned into talking heads'. Let's use the summer to set up the FSU School of Media Relations. :lol:
  17. Zemgirl

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    And then their fans accuse the critics of being haters, and the vicious cycle continues all off-season long :lol:

    That would be another off-season option. But really, I'm not buying that - there is a lot of possibilities for skaters to express themselves than fall somewhere between "canned media speak" and "stick skate in mouth repeatedly". Chan, and some other skaters, simply need to find that happy medium.
  18. midori

    midori Well-Known Member

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    You mean, you are willing to pay bills for him? If so, yeah he should have. ;)
  19. VarBar

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    I wish the Chan ubers and the Chan haterz stopped being so predictable. Those who love Chan would defend him no matter what he says or does and those who can't stand him would blow most of his statements out of proportion and turn him into the villain. It's boring.

    Sorry for interfering with the discussion.
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  20. taf2002

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    Are you f'g kidding? Megastar pro players (esp basketball) complain about everything - it's too hot, it's too cold, my equipment failed, I have a hangnail, my injury isn't healed 100%, I have new shoes, my teammates let me down, I've been on the road too long, the hotel had bad beds, etc etc ad nauseum. If they stub their toes it becomes a top news story & they have excuses for every loss. I was watching the World Series once & there were grown men boo-hooing in the losing locker room who were nit-picking every call & every play & whining about everything.
  21. algonquin

    algonquin Well-Known Member

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    I could not agree more.
  22. Dilng

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    Exactly he is just being a whiner! He comes off as a bad sport. The other skaters are tired as well and they haven't been complaining. If he does poorly at the Olympics next year will he complain that he had to do an extra competition? I would have a lot more respect for him if he just said I skated badly without all the excuses.
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  23. tut88

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    He just said what everyone is thinking. This competition is great but it's too late on the season !
    Personally I thank all Federations that sent their best skaters !
  24. Zemgirl

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    That's not been my impression at all. A lot of professional athletes train hard and play through pain and injury. Just a few days ago my favorite team (baseball, not NBA, FWIW) put a top player on the DL and he was very upset about not being allowed to play. If anything pro athletes sometimes rush their return and try to play through too much pain. Yes there are sometimes complaints about officiating, because they care about the ourcome! Though you also have situations like Armando Galaraga's 28-out perfect game. I don't know how you got this impression but IMO it's really off.
  25. Sedge

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    Totally agree.

    Can anybody look at the Men's SP and FP protocols and say that this is a good time to hold this competition?
    Apart from Menshov , even the skaters who came with something to prove ( Abbott, Takahashi, Kovtun, Chan) did not have good skates.
  26. crzesk8dad

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    It's lonely at the top...would you like some cheeze with that whine?

    Sit back and enjoy the ride, Patrick.
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  27. seabm7

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    I guess you missed my post from the previous page. CSOI starts on April 19. Chan will have zero rest time when he goes back to Canada.
  28. walei

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    Yeah, there are good skates at WTT but overall you can tell the field on average is under performing across all four disciplines. They are all tired, burnt out, and Patrick was the one that came out and said probably how most other skaters here felt.

    I am so sick and tired of some figure skating fans expecting these athletes to be politically correct all the time and nitpick every sentences out of a skater's mouth then quickly label him in a negative light. That's why Figure Skating is so niche, because it's a sport where you have to be princes and princesses.
  29. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Does anyone have the $ in prize money that these skaters get for this competition? The actual amt for gold, silver, bronze, whatever? A guide?
  30. allezfred

    allezfred Prick Admin Staff Member

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    Or maybe Worlds was too early this season. :shuffle:
  31. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    From: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=3967
    Scroll down to page 7 to "6. PRIZE MONEY – APPEARANCE FEES" for more details.
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  33. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Wow, so amazing! 72 responses before I saw this thread about...an article written entirely in Japanese. I think it is wonderful that all of you are fluent in reading the Japanese language. Myself, I did not understand one single word in the article that all of you are discussing.
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  34. bmcg

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    You don't have to be fluent in Japanese to understand that Chan is :EVILLE:
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  35. rvi5

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    I find the hypocrisy on these boards laughable. As already mentioned, Chan isn't saying anything others have not previously questioned. Someone at GS even started a thread called "Should the World Team Trophy be held earlier in the season". Trying to twist every Chan comment into something negative, demonstrates how some people are unable to separate their hate from rational logic. If it had been Takahashi who made the comment, I suspect these same posters would totally agree.
  36. VIETgrlTerifa

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    That's because Takahashi won, so it wouldn't have come from a place of bitterness. Not to mention Chan has a history of having what he says getting him into trouble. Honesty is good, but opening oneself up like that will allow people to see who you really are. People aren't obligated to like what anyone says or to refrain from commenting on a publicly stated opinion just because it's "honest."
  37. Jaana

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    I think that in this posting by Sylvia

    http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-Team-Trophy&p=3899826&viewfull=1#post3899826

    Chan puts his words very well:

    From the Skate Canada press release: http://www.skatecanada.ca/AboutUs/Ne...S/Default.aspx

    “I didn’t have my best skate today, but because it’s a team event, I didn’t feel alone on the ice. As soon as I came off, my teammates were right there, encouraging me, and that’s what makes this event so special,” said Team Captain Patrick Chan. “I’m so proud of all our team members today. Kevin really made the difference for us and helped us make up ground from day one. I can’t wait to see how our ladies and pair team finish tomorrow. Don’t count Team Canada out for the gold just yet!”
  38. Proustable

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    But I think saying stupid things in the past (which I agree Chan has) doesn't in fact mean that everything he says is stupid or wrong.

    That said, complaining about the lack of preparation time for this event is rather amusing, given that he's basically skated really poorly all year. WTT wasn't even his worst SP (Skate Canada) or LP (Japan Open) from last season.
  39. Garden Kitty

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    Patrick is fortunate that he's at a position in his career that the rather significant prize money for this event doesn't really have an impact on his ability to pay for his training. But I suspect that most of his other teammates were very thankful to have the opportunity to earn this prize money. Since he was the team captain, it might have been better to focus on the great opportunity this event is for his younger teammates. Even if he wants to focus primarily on the Olympics, the experience the younger teammates get here may help them at the team event in Sochi.

    I don't have an issue with the substance of what Patrick said. Every sport should continue to evaluate the rules and the competitions to see if they continue to serve the interests of the sport, and it is hard to train for another event after peaking for the "highlight" of the season. But the timing of his comments was not ideal.
  40. rvi5

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    Why do you think it came from a place of bitterness? Isn't that an assumption? Was it assumed because the author (or google translator) chose to use the word "complain" instead of another word like "said", "mentioned", "commented", etc.? Interesting how one word can make a huge difference in the tone of an article. Especially if readers are already fueled with hate, and eager to see only the negative.