Patrick Chan’s new mantra: figure skaters of the world unite: DiManno

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  1. walei

    walei Well-Known Member

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    As a Chan fan I really hope he is more tactful in his opinions because there are journalists out there to get him and I worry about the backlash he could get from the ISU.

    That being said, 1. I don't think it's fair to compare ISU's rules to MLB/NBA or any other professional sports organization because well...ISU regulates amateur sports; and 2. I also don't think it's an apple to apple comparison on how many times a figure skater competes a year to athletes of other sports like baseball or swimming. The nature of preparation for these sports are very different as far as I know and what they need to do out there on the field to play are also very very different.

    I bet Chan is not the only skater to hold this opinion on WTT but unfortunately he is the outspoken one and it could bite him in the ass.
     
  2. Nomad

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    People have been saying that for years now. I guess he's a very slow learner.
     
  3. Visaliakid

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    Right cause - Wrong spokesperson. Chan now has a bright red flag next to his name on Speedy's naughty list.

    Patrick, you just kissed your OGM goodbye! :eek:
     
  4. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    Or not aging.
     
  5. BittyBug

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    I'm surprised no one has commented on this remark:

    I admire confidence in an athlete, but Chan seems to be presuming that he'll win gold in Sochi, and I suppose why wouldn't he, when he can splat all over the ice and still receive the highest program component scores from the judges.

    His comments make it clear that he believes that he is above all others. His sense of entitlement is ridiculous, but it's no wonder he wanted to move to a less crowded rink - he needs the extra space for his outsized ego.
     
  6. Zemgirl

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    PChiddy, a vampire? :D
     
  7. sonya71

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    I guess the Olympic gold medal already has Patrick's name inscribed on it, and he's probably right for thinking that, as he has a three fall cushion.
     
  8. taf2002

    taf2002 Texas slumlord

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    I'm not sure he has any cushion now. He's put foot in mouth for years but this one feels different & I definitely think it will come back to haunt him. We'll know at his 1st GP next year.

    As for a potential injury at a (to him) worthless event, I remember Todd Eldredge dislocating his shoulder from a fall while just merely skating around the rink to warm up. No one can guarantee that he can be injury-free whether they do the WTT or not.

    Instead of bitching, why not suggest a better time for the WTT? IMO about a wk or 2 before the 1st GP would be a good time. Skaters could get their new programs out there & see how their content stacks up against the competition & what they need to tweak. Everyone would be fresh & there would be new programs to see.
     
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  9. PUNKPRINCESS

    PUNKPRINCESS New Member

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    Hahaha, my sentiments mirror yours. Love his skating when he's on, used to hate his personality, but at this point he is only shooting himself in the foot so it has entertainment value.
     
  10. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I agree with the sentiments about WTT - I can't think of it as anything but a fluff pro-am without the pros - but this just comes across as sour grapes. Agree that he wouldn't be saying these things if he'd skated well.

    Any possibility that he's making these statements to lay groundwork to NOT compete in the Oly team event? I have been totally sticking my fingers in my ears about that event, so I don't really know the criteria, but I was under the impression that Oly individual event skaters must perform in the team event unless there are more skaters from that country competing in their event than the country has slots on the team event...or something.

    Agree with taf that having WTT before the start of the season would make more sense - skaters would take it seriously to have a chance to get mileage on their programs, and have time to make any adjustments before GP starts. Wasn't the GWG comp right before GP? I thought that worked well.
     
  11. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    Wasn't the idea floated (by Cinquanta?) to incorporate the team event into the World Championships in the future, depending on how the team event goes in Sochi? I thought I had read or heard a mention of the next scheduled WTT being held in Japan in 2015 (funded by TV Asahi again?) but I can't remember the source now.
     
  12. figureit

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    All sports but figure skating mostly has unions to protect the athletes. Not sure how this is "foot in mouth" disease when other sports have unions. IT would help bring balance to figure skating , make it more enjoyable to watch given rights are protected. I can see where it would be a blessing. To not allow federations to just do what ever they want. Especially since the skaters pay a ton of money for their own training it makes sense they stay in charge of their own rights.

    Again I have seen skaters train very hard , families sacrifice and then the federations says we hate that program or music or costume change it but they do not help monetarily to do so. OR a skaters wants to do a program but is told NO and black balled if they do not follow the federations comments and ideas. IT takes the passion out of it and is horribly hard on the skater, training, and the family. I think this is a good idea. It should be a choice if the federation pays for everything and earns a lot of money it should be fair for the athletes too....would love to hear about this more.
     
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  13. kosjenka

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    He is just the gift that keeps on giving.
     
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  14. Tony Wheeler

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    I think it depended on the edition. In 1998, I think it was in the middle of summer (late July or early August?), which is an extremely early (or late) point in the season to have a competition, and I actually think we saw more programs carried over from the '98 season rather than a bunch of new programs debuted. The level of skating was pretty mediocre, too.

    The 2001 version was in late August-early September, and we got a chance to see most of the top skaters' new Olympic season programs for the first time. The individual Japan Open competition is now a chance to see some new programs debuted, but I'd almost rather it be replaced with the team edition if they insist on keeping it.
     
  15. Sparks

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    Some people don't understand why they should say less.
     
  16. query5

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    The union is okay, but the sport as a whole will have to put more people in seats, shows, tours, online, psy more those events.
     
  17. Zemgirl

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    If that's the case, he should take it up with Skate Canada. I believe that any of the three men Canada will presumably send to Sochi can compete in the team event - either one or two, depending on whether they want to have the same person skate both segments or not.

    There is a vast difference between "skaters should have a union" and most of what Chan said.
     
  18. Zemgirl

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    sorry, double post.
     
  19. query5

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    The other partcomes across as bitterness, arrogance, self enitlement.
    Iknow I need to win is points . I dont care if I skate badly and still win.
    The fans, b.c. pubic, media I dont care.
    I, will say and skate the wayi want so ican,win in hopes of more money etc
    Patrick doesnt realize or care how his words are seen or interpreted by others.
    He thinks or knows he will be ogm regardless of how he skates sohe,opens his mouth accordingly. He knows dedpite his,hlaring mistakes he will win. The only thing that will slow him down is injury
    Why shouldnt he , he wins by skating diastrous frees because he has enough points and his nearest competitors make justad many mistakes as he does just not as noticesble
    Patrick should realize,the public will decide whether or not he deserves to get what he thinks he does when he pjtches whatever in front of public
     
  20. Proustable

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    Up to two skaters can compete in any individual discipline of the team event (one in the short, one in the long - same skater or two different ones), with a total of six entrants (so Canada can field, say two pairs teams and two dance teams, but one each in the single events). Canada's real issue is that they don't really have much breadth or depth in either of the singles disciplines (which makes the ability to get that third spot rather amusing). Yes, Reynolds is at a career high, but a tough caller will defenestrate him (though he could still contribute to a gold medal in the event, it would be far less of a lock)

    He's skating in the team event at the Olympics, I have no doubt.
     
  21. Susan M

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    That is patently untrue. In professional cycling, a cyclist can negotiate with any team that would have him and sign a contract for as many or as few years as he wants. More to the point, it is up to him which events he rides. There is no penalty if he opts not to ride in the World Championships (in fact many top cyclists don't) and there are no restrictions on what non-UCI events (including competitions) he participates in. None of that affects his Olympic eligibility.

    Same for pro tennis and golf. A top tennis player does not lose his Olympic eligibility by performing in an exhibition match instead of traveling to the Australian open or not playing Davis Cup.
     
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  22. Zemgirl

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    I did not say that all sports have the same rules and restrictions. Some sports are more structured, other less - but they all have rules and regulations, and no athletes get to have their sport work in the way that is most convenient to them personally.
     
  23. Bournekraatzfan

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    Lol, in fairness, he did come to prominence as a teen. But yeah, it seems to be a slow learning curve and there is no guarantee that he will learn. I still find this article really amusing:D

    I do hope skaters become unionized in the future, though.
     
  24. kwanfan1818

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    I think he's like Trankov that way: if he didn't like the timing, he's complain no matter how well he or the team did.

    I doubt it, because in another thread (maybe the "Chan Whines about WTT" thread?), there was a quote from him saying he liked the timing of the Olympic team even to get out the nerves and how it would foster team kumbaya.

    The rules allow Canada to choose to enter either one man for both the SP and FS, or one each for the SP and FS. The Men chosen have to be there for the individual event since Canada qualified at least one -- appointments are only for disciplines where te country hasn't qualified anyone for the individual event -- but Canada has three entries for Men, and Skate Canada doesn't have to choose Chan to skate. As expected gold medal contenders, they'd be crazy not to choose him, assuming he's healthy.

    I'm with you two.
     
  25. CassAgain

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    If he skates the way he is capable, he should be Olympic champion next year, and I would bet he will be. However, if there has been a less likable skater in recent years, I can't think of one.
     
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  26. sk9tingfan

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    IMO, Open mouth and insert both feet: with boots and blades attached. Slit throat
     
  27. Garden Kitty

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    The problem with a skaters' union is the same problem that cyclists have with forming a union - their interests often don't align. I expect only a few elite skaters with private sponsors would be worried about getting a right not to compete at an event with significant prize money. More would proably be concerned with trying to promote the financial viability of events they hope to one day be able attend.
     
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  28. t.mann

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    :rofl: at some Chan‘s words.
    :cheer2: :cheer: for his honesty.
    But I am a little concerned about :angryfire from ISU and :( from Japanese audiences. (rightly so, in the latter case)
     
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  29. iggie

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    the isu and japanese fed may be rightfully upset but how many times do skaters need to voice how much they're not liking how this competition is set up before those organizations address the issue? yes, you want a money making opportunity. yes, you want to give more cotent to the audience that values figure skating, argubaly, the most. yes, it's another opportunity to give skaters more funds for their skating. but you can't just drag the skaters into it and force them to do it in order to accomplish those goals.
     
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  30. euterpe

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    Yeah, and forcing them to accept lots of $---that's the final insult!