Oscar Pistorius on murder charge

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by skatefan, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. BittyBug

    BittyBug Kiteless

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    Sounds like you're using "jail" to refer to holding cells in a police station.

    ETA: Nevermind. Just followed up on *Jen*'s comments, and you are most definitely correct. Just one more thing I learned from FSU. :)
     
  2. Prancer

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    I don't know about everywhere, but here, "jail" does refer to temporary holding cells, although not at the police station; "prison" is for long-term incarceration.

    The security provisions and living conditions are quite different. I'd much rather be in jail than prison.
     
  3. Coco

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    It was, although I haven't seen a direct quote from the police. If you search on google, you'll see two phrases, "no defensive wounds," and "no signs of assault."

    https://www.google.com/search?q=bot...hrome.0.57j62l3.7991&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
  4. Prancer

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    The Pistorius family is going to become very familiar with the different legal definitions of murder: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/24/world...brother/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories

    And in this interview, the man who identified Reeva's body says there was no sign that she had been assaulted with a cricket bat:

    Mr Myers, who identified Miss Steenkamp's body, told the Daily Telegraph that he was "surprised" by reports that she had been assaulted with a cricket bat.

    "When I identified Reeva, I saw no indication of that", he said. "The first I knew about it was when I read it in the papers. I do not know where that came from".


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...as-told-to-back-off-from-Reeva-Steenkamp.html

    He doesn't have much good to say about Oscar, but I wonder how much of that is after the fact.
     
  5. heckles

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    Myers was concerned enough that he had a talk with Pistorius about his behavior, so it would seem that he saw some bad signs even before the killing.
     
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  6. twinsissv

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    I don't know if Oscar Pistorius is familiar with old romantic songs or not. But if he feels as shattered and brokenhearted as he looked at the bail hearings, I hope that he'll never have to hear what I heard today on the Easy Listening Channel. The song was, of course, "My Funny Valentine". As I sang along, I realized that the final sentiment in that lyric line would be absolutely gut-wrenching for someone who really cared deeply about her.
    "Stay, little Valentine...stay.
    Each day is...Valentine's Day..."
    omg...
    :(
     
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  7. mikemba

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    I thought your whole post posed an interesting question, but here's a thought with respect to the part I quoted and bolded. Although he admitted "killing" her he did not admit being a "killer". I think it's similar (although, of course not identical) to someone who admits "killing" in self defense but not to being a "killer." So I think there are three possibilities: premeditated murder, a killing in which he is found somewhat legally responsible and must do prison time, and a verdict which involves no prison time (either guilty on a lesser charge with no sentence or a not guilty verdict). I am no expert on the SA legal system, but even so, I think the distinction between admitting to killing and admitting to being a killer is an important one.
     
  8. orbitz

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    Accidental killing usually do not get jail time. He is in trouble for illegally owning a gun though so he might serve time for that.
     
  9. Rafter

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  10. Jenny

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    Thanks for sharing Rafter - this paragraph at the end has me :eek:

     
  11. Rex

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    Now that all the stories about his hot-temperedness and jealousy are coming to light, I guess some points in the CNN article are spot-on. It's not a surprise he's in this situation.
     
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  12. snoopy

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    There is a police brutality and South African violence link in that article that I found interesting. I have noted a parallel to American gun culture and South African, and have wondered if the history of racial animosity instigates it in both countries.
     
  13. Rex

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    South Africa's post-apartheid culture does seem to be a culture of crime and violence. And it's sad that they are living this way - the stories of robbery, rape and murder are frightening. But the only link between this, Oscar and Reeva is that it gave him easier access to a gun. I think this would have ended badly even without guns factored in. It's more about domestic violence and specifically, violence towards women.
     
  14. Wiery

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    I haven't read these; in the US, media has cooled down a bit. I'll go check CNN and the UK news sites. Thanks. :)
     
  15. Ziggy

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    The level of crime of violence is a result of rampant inequality and the number of people living in poverty. Isn't SA the country with the most unequal wealth distribution in the world?
     
  16. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    So they say.
     
  17. Jenny

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  18. Desperado

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    Wow, if that's not preferred treatment I don't know what is.
     
  19. kwanfan1818

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  20. Jenny

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    Amanda Knox needs to hire his legal team.
     
  21. snoopy

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    I would guess that being one of the most famous athletes in SA works to his benefit.
     
  22. Lacey

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    I'm kind of shocked actually, can't help but wonder if he will try to flee, nah he's got too much family in South Africa.
     
  23. Ziggy

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    It's not like he's realistically going to flee. Innocent until proven guilty. I see nothing wrong with allowing him to continue competing, if he so wished.
     
  24. Asli

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    It depends on the probability of a long prison sentence though, doesn't it? If this is high, he might decide to spend his life in another country instead.
     
  25. Skittl1321

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    Surely the judge considered all this...
     
  26. Desperado

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    I just doubt the fact that someone else accused of murder but with less means than Pistorius would be allowed to leave the country.
     
  27. WildRose

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    He's too well known to just disappear so he's not a flight risk, and he needs to travel to earn a living. Despite the rush to convict him in the tabloids he is innocent until proven guilty - especially given the incompetence and corruption of the S African police.
     
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  28. twinsissv

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    Why? WHY? Why would he EVER want to go back to that house though? :confused:
     
  29. Lorac

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    I guess he doesn't actually want to go live there but it is his home and he may want to get possessions from it. He may also want to talk through his defence with his lawyers - and showing them step by step what he did that night.
     
  30. heckles

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    He may believe that an item that could have been used in the case against him has not yet been identified as such by detectives, or perhaps wasn't even located, and he wants to remove that item from his house.