Orser takes it to another level

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  1. jaws12345

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    David Wilson broke his silence on Orser's revealing Yuna's new program music.

    Wilson said he did not know anything about Orser's plan of revealing her program music to the media. Orser did not discuss his plan with Wilson before Orser did the interview. He was shocked to hear the news.

    Sorry, it's in Korean.

    http://xportsnews.hankyung.com/?ac=article_view&entry_id=126582
  2. lakewood

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    I can't agree more.
  3. Moxie

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    IMO they should both shut up.
    I understand the need to announce that him and Yuna have parted but he should have just left it at that. And there's no reason to say he thinks she should leave the rink and or keep talking to the media.
    And she shouldn't have kept stringing him along all summer and then been so noncommittal when he asked to her face what was going on.

    I just feel so sorry for them both at this point.
  4. leon

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    Yuna was Brian's first full time skater at an elite level.

    That Star interview sounds like he is relishing in all the suferring he hopes to blame on Yu-Na and her mom.

    He wants to sound like the wise old sage teacher but this is unknown country to him . . . and his inexperience shows also.

    It doesn't sound like he is going to admit or accept any blame for the ugliness this has turned into.

    The more Yu-na hurts the stronger, the more powerful and self-righteous he seems to become.

    Fire him, will they? He'll rub their face in it.

    Yeah I'm upset. . . .
  5. eyh201

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    I know you must enjoy all the fuss, but don't you think they don't say the split reason as courtesy?
  6. lakewood

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    She didn't do it. It was Orser who sorta neglected her along all summer.
  7. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Well, if someone was blatantly lying about my actions and my professionalism in the way many are willing to believe Orser is doing to Yu-na and her mom, then you would think I'd want the truth to get out...unless, I really don't.

    Plus, how courteous can you be after feeling so incensed that write a huge public statement on your site and a twitter claiming the person who is telling his story to media is lying but then not explain anything further.

    Like when he sends her continuous emails to which she or her team never answered or when he spoke to her in person and told her team to let him know how much time he should put aside for her?
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    People who fear confrontation will twist themselves and a story into a pretzel to avoid it. They will manipulate the facts and dodge the truth in order to save face or keep the peace.

    For a person who is direct and straight-up (as Brian seems to be) such behaviour can be infuriating and crazy-making, and appear to be lacking in integrity. I can see how Brian would be both angry and hurt and don't fault him for speaking to the media (which is of course hounding him). To me, his statements indicate integrity and honesty, and I'm inclined to believe his version of the story.
  9. lakewood

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    That is his side story. YuNa swears to God she never did anything unrespectful to him.
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    Maybe she doesn't see what he's describing as disrespectful.
  11. lakewood

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    Is Brian the 1st coach in history who was fired by skater? Other fired coaches including Carrol thought they deserved it? Did Jeremy leave Tom Z only after his kind permission?
  12. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Yeah well, a lot of those situations had the person ending the partnership in a timely manner as to not cause unreasonable tension at the rink and made a timely public announcement as opposed to...well, not saying anything then getting angry when it was made public weeks later.
  13. jaws12345

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    I heard Orser hired a lawyer. Someone please confirm this?
  14. lakewood

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    Why not Orser is that person. He was dealing with a 19 old girl and her inexperienced mom.
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    But hasn't Yu-na shut her mouth. She said the tweet she said her statement. Then Brian went on tv. Yu-na said nothing after Brian went on tv and according to the reporter her and her mother said "no comment."

    Why can't Brian do the same. He said his side of the story, over and over again, why say more. Why make comments like "they got what they deserved." I don't see it taking the high road. The high road would be saying, I answered things, I'm done.

    Or maybe there was other stuff that happened before which led to her not responding to his emails. If they were already in a fight, she might not have been ready to respond to the emails.

    The thing is there's always two sides to the story. I'm not at all saying Yu-na is the 100% innocent victim, I don't think that. I think everyone here likely did something wrong.
  16. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Orser isn't the one who got angry after it was made public. Also, if Kim's mother is that inexperienced, then she has no businesses being Kim's representation (not to mention C.E.O. of her management agency) considering what a public figure Kim is and what a huge franchise she has become.
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    There's always tomorrow.
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    Unfortunately, it's within AT Sport's discretion to open all the reasons even though you insist your right to know. :p

    Don't forget Orser started all the fuss which is very uncommon. Have you even seen a coach who issued a public release on the split before? Or a former coach who revealed a new program music?

    He said he didn't receive any response during Kim was staying in Korea for the ice show in July. AT Sports said their relationship with Orser became uncomfortable since May. I guess the situation was changed in May.
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  19. VIETgrlTerifa

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    One thing I feel Orser did wrong was to provide SBS and Phil Hersh copies of his personal email to Yu Na. That was ridiculous and I'm not sure why he did it, unless he really felt the Mao rumor stuff was a big reason in the fracture. Or it was his way of answering criticism for the Mao thing since it seems to be a big deal to a certain demographic of fans.

    Then they shouldn't get angry if all people have to go by are detailed accounts of Orser's side of the story when all Kim and her team can come up with is begging people to have blind faith in them.
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    :rofl:

    There is only so long a period that people can continue to use the inexperience of Yu-Na's mother as an excuse before it gets old. Sorry, but they've gotten into enough trouble throughout the years to have learned from their mistakes at this point. If they can't handle the business side of things in a professional manner, then they should hire a professional to do it for them.
  21. bek

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    But the fact is that she had reporters in her face ready to ask her and she said no. The thing is the idea that Yu-na had no reasons for wanting the relationship to end is ridiculous. Good or bad she likely had her reasons. I highly doubt it would be in Orser's interest for Yu-na to go into all the nitty gritty details to justify to the world why she dumped him. And saying things like "yeah the rumor about the skater, and things weren't perfect between us." Is hardly given real reasons why the break up happened.

    When relationships break up its hardly one persons fault or the other. I'm inclined to think Brian is still a great coach, but just not very experienced in handling the break ups.

    It seems what may show up tommorrow is fallout from Yu-na's music being revealed. Supposedly there's an article in Korean with a statement from David Wilson about it. It seems David is very angry that Orser did this without even talking to him. This could get very messy. And it goes to show why even if you are the injured party its still a good idea to think before you speak.
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    Orser didn't simply announce the split but he added his story. YuNa's side responed it wasn't true. YuNa wasn't angry at all at this stage, but then came Orsers tribune intervew that heavily criticizes her mom.
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    The quote at the end of that last interview isn't a threat .He's saying that Coaches , costumers, etc are people and those people need time to make changes in their schedules and plans .Both those examples are of people who are not only trading on their expertise, but their time...a person can only coach so many students in a day, design , find fabrics and make so many costumes...if you don't turn up, don't let them know you no longer want their services, etc., you're preventing them from taking on another client.

    Brian has not said this ,but I'm saying it .It seems to me that much of the trouble comes from ATS's attitude toward the people they've retained..they treat them like hired help, instead of like professionals.:(
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    Tony Wheeler's blog (and I don't know how reliable he is) said she avoided interacting with him this summer at the rink. Then there's the issue of the ignored emails and not addressing the issue when he asked to her face what was going on.

    I don't condone his present actions, but I can understand his confusion that she just shut down all communication after working closely together for 4 years. Especially since she said in the Spring that she wasn't going to switch coaches and even mentioned that she might switch to assisting him in coaching if she decided to stop competing.
  25. VIETgrlTerifa

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    He added his detailed story after ATS claimed that he was the one who broke it off with them and it came to a surprise to them. Which we all know by now (since it has been verified by both sides) isn't the truth .

    I think he should've backed off a bit and I think he was too forthcoming with some of the details, but I think Orser went on the defensive which included a big offense. And I do think he was justified in explaining his side of the story if ATS was trying to pin the break up on him initially.
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    No, she isn't and she never was. She wants to live and train in Nagoya, and she needs to stay there for several reasons as posted in another thread.
    She has been consistently searching for a Japanese coach, who she can communicate with in Japanese language.
  27. stjeaskategym

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    Maybe Yu-Na wanted to just try working alone without Orser for a few weeks/months before making an official decision as to whether or not she wanted to still be coached by him. It seemed so strange that Orser would publicly announce this split on his own rather than releasing a joint statement with Yu-Na... Maybe this is why Yu-Na's side is trying to claim that Orser is the one who actually made this decision to split.

    I'm confusing myself just thinking about this. Neither side of this drama seems to know what the hell is really going on, so how could any of us understand it either? This whole thing seems like a HUGE misunderstanding that could have been prevented with better communication from everyone. The worst part is that deep down, Yu-Na and Brian probably have a lot of care and respect for each other. If all of these people would just sit down and clear up the misunderstandings and finally issue a joint statement, Yu-Na wouldn't have to be crying at practice. This is all just sad.
  28. millyskate

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    Yu-Na not talking to Brian in person to announce the split doesn't surprise me. When I taught the piano I had a few pupils stop, and even when it was expected they seemed to find telling me a very traumatic experience. There were plenty of tears and embarassment. Often, even the older pupils would come accompanied with their parents to bear the bad news, and some would simply send their parents instead.

    In my relatively short career I never experienced anyone asking to change teachers, but I can imagine that is even more uncomfortable.
    It seems Orser has little experience in that department if he expected Yu-Na to phone him and tell him in person... That pretty much never happens! It seems parents are nearly always in the frontline in these circumstances, acting as a cushion of protection for their child. Even if their child is an adult!

    This is not so say Yu-Na acted with class and dignity during the whole episode, far from it. :drama:
    But I can see that Orser hinting that Yu-Na's mum was the cause of the split was not a good move.
  29. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Didn't he offer up that time all summer? He said to let him know if he had to put away time for her and let her have space. Then he had to find out all of her skating plans for the season on the internet as opposed to from her. Then August 2 happened when Meehee Park essentially fired him and Wilson.

    A few weeks later with no announcement and some confusion at Cricket Club, he finally decides to make it public knowing that you can't keep a break up between a highly publicized coach and skater secret.
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    a little off topic, but I hope Yuna transfers all the emotion that she's experienced from this ordeal as well as the emotion thats just welled up, into her Arirang LP. that would be awesome to watch, since Arirang requires a mature, deep level of emotion that's brought about by hurt, pain, disappointment and (i think) moving forward.

    as for Orser's latest interview, as much as i like the guy, i really think its best he shuts up now. I think he's had enough to say, maybe too much and its time for him to just build a bridge and get over it.
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  31. lakewood

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    Simply not true. Orser was treated with the highest respect not only by ATS but by whole Korea. He directed all YuNs shows and appreaed in commercials with YuNa. Don't forget that YuNa and Orser already had rocky a few months. Orser admitted that YuNa might have felt neglected.
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    I never liked Brian Orser or Tracy Wilson for that matter because it seemed that in order to boost Yuna, they had no qualms about making negatively subjective comments about Mao and overly inflated positive comments about Yuna on television (in Tracy's case), or making comments on Korean television that Miki's jumps were underrotated while Yuna's weren't (in Brian's case), and so forth. They just did whatev to project this image of Yuna as unbeatable, and good for them, it worked. Yuna got gold.

    There also was a smear campaign regarding Japanese skaters that seemed to have been the joint effort of SBS and Team Yuna, that they were impeding her during official practice, which was never substantiated and nary a word of apology that this slandering took place.

    So maybe what happened is that Yuna and her mother realized that these Canadians were playing dirty word tricks, and that Yuna herself, in fact, was also playing the same game by implication, and that this was putting her in a place of isolation, because up until the impeding practice incident came out, I think Yuna could speak on friendly terms to Mao at exhibition practice and such, but after? No way. And so maybe when Yuna realized that Brian was willing to tell a lie to try and control her---i.e., that Team Mao had contacted him, when no such contact had taken place---it all became too much for her and it was time to dump him, which, if this is what happened, I kind of understand.
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    Besides, Yuna doesn't have to deal with Brian at all. That's her agent's job, not hers. That's why athletes have their agents. In this case it happens to be her mom.
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    But he's also said that she told his team to concentrate on their other students because she didn't know what her plans were.
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    I think it is true. There might have been miscommunications between them because of poor translator, but YuNa's side is firm on this matter. It wasn't verified by YuNa side. I think you misunderstood YuNa's statement. What YuNa meant was that she decides with her mother.
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    Very thankful the JGP season is starting.
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  37. VIETgrlTerifa

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    So then what do some of Orser's critics mean when they keep harping on him being fired and acting bitterly? Did Orser end it to Kim's suprise or was he fired by Kim and is now acting bitter?

    You can't have it both ways. I mean, I know there are miscommunication issues, but not enough to cover that.
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    Then perhaps people shouldn't complain about Brian talking about her mother, since her mother is her agent?
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    Why the heck didn't they release a joint statement though? It's like Brian knew it was an official decision, and Yu-Na's side was still in denial.
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    One thing is clear (to me). The ATS people in Korea had no idea of Orser being fired until that morning. That is why ATS wasn't prepared at all. They never thought he was fired. YuNa also said she was shocked by Orser's statement.
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