Opinion of *New* Team Event in Sochi?

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Jenna, Apr 6, 2011.

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Are you for or against the team event?

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  1. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    I have to be honest. I see some people saying they don't think it will work and I can understand that thinking. However, I do not get the people who seem so adamant about this not being an event. It seems like they are almost offended that someone would dare mess with their sport. I got news for you. If you don't like the event, don't compete in it!! Further more, feel free to not watch it!
  2. a56

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    If the event is going be a big mess, I'm all for it. :watch:
  3. danceronice

    danceronice Corgi Wrangler

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    LOL, I think every skater should have an event where he/she has to ignore a :dog: running across the ice in the background!
  4. patinage

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    I'm very tentatively for the team event, but only if it comes after the individual events. To me, figure skating should be taking its cues from track (relay events come towards the end of the Olympic competition), and not from, say, gymnastics.

    Come to think of it, how do other sports with both individual and team/relay aspects handle this?
  5. Jayar

    Jayar Well-Known Member

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    Because it's a TEAM competition, I would hope that the skater who does best in the Olympics gets named to the team.
  6. CantALoop

    CantALoop Well-Known Member

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    Well Michelle Kwan had that streaker...:shuffle::p
  7. DinDonShamu

    DinDonShamu New Member

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    I see I just upset the balance of a perfect tie - now it's 57-56 against :lol:
  8. Jayar

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    That doesn't mean Japan can't field a team, and they would qualify with points based on their top team. I am betting that there is a big effort to get an all Japanese pairs team ready for Olympics. Also, the Reeds aren't eligible for Sochi, so they have to find a dance team, too.

    Estonia sent entries in each event to Euros... I pulled my list from Euros and 4CCs. I wasn't setting anything in stone. I was just illustrating a point.
  9. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

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    Cool vids. Yes, I would have been their watching. Grafstrom's speed and coverage are amazing. Do you have any of Jackson Haines?
  10. julieann

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    They would have to be named to the TEAM long before the 2014 Olympics or do you mean the 2010 Olympics? :rolleyes:

    They would either have to be based on the standings of Worlds 2013 or Nationals 2014. That would make the most sense.
  11. ks777

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    I wish that they would give Synchronized skating a chance. Some people are not talented as a single, pair or ice dancer but synchronized skating give them a chance compete at the Olympics. I really hope that sychro-skating will becomes an olympic event soon!!
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  12. julieann

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    There aren't any pairs or dance teams in Japan, I think that is the point, haven you seen the nationals lately? The only ones who won are the only ones who show up and 1/2 of the pairs team is Canadian (Tran) and they won't give him citizenship. They drive all their pairs away (Kawaguchi) in favor of singles. It nothing new for them.
  13. aliceanne

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    With track some athletes choose to do all events and try for multiple medals. Some athletes (especially if they are older and injury prone) will drop out of events if they are scheduled too close together and just compete in their best event. Track and field stars often compete in 3 or 4 olympics before they retire though.

    Gymnasts are sometimes selected as specialists and sometimes for their all-around abilities. Nastia Liukin was commenting at Worlds that the athletes care more about winning the individual all-around medal but that the federations seem to focus on the team events.
  14. Jayar

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    No, they don't *HAVE* to name the team before the Olympics... unless they didn't qualify someone for the Olympics in the singles, pairs, or dance. For example, for the last Olympics, the USA had the following on their Oly team:

    Abbott, Lysacek, Weir
    Flatt, Nagasu
    Denney/Barrett, Evora/Ladwig
    Davis/White, Belbin/Agosto, Samuelson/Bates

    That could be the pool of skaters from which to choose. So, it could look like this:

    Based on Nationals: Abbott, Flatt, Denney/Barrett, Davis/White
    Based on Olympics results: Lysacek, Nagasu, Denney/Barrett, Davis/White

    And so on...

    If you have a team (say France) who doesn't qualify a lady, then you would have to name the lady to the team. Otherwise, you can name your final lineup just before the competition like any other sport does.
  15. Jayar

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    The Reeds represent Japan, but they will likely opt out of their Japanese citizenship. They also have another dance team: Emi HIRAI and Taiyo MIZUTANI. They have three years to pull a pairs team together. That is definitely long enough to have a world-level team for the competition. You just don't like the competition, and that's fine. Don't watch it. But don't sit here and talk about how logistically impossible it is. If it were, it wouldn't have made it this far in the process.
  16. dinakt

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    I like the idea, as I think the more exposure for the skating the better, and- egotistically- I get more of my skating fix. However, I would need to know all the details to fully support it or to object. For example, I'd love to see more athletes involved; if one of the athletes who qualified for an individual event does not want to do it ( for whatever reason, not only medical), a skater right below at the Nationals is allowed to take place in the team event, even if they are not participating in the individual events. Also, I'd like to see team medals being gived for individual disciplines- that would allow more countries to be competitive. For example, no way China is winning the team event, but they are likely to medal in Pairs. Japan might win the Single events, but not the all- team event, as it stands now- it might be totally different in 3 years, of course. Would be fabulous to see US, Canada and Russia ( and maybe France? who knows by then, maybe they'll get a second Pair at the top) duking it out for medals in Dance. As long as the approach is reasonable and the athletes are not forced into it with threats of sanctions, and the athlete's pool is expanded as a result, I am all for it!
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  17. julieann

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    Tran said he cannot get Japanese citizenship at all and she can't get Canadian citizenship in time. They will not be at the Olympics, they are fine with it. What other pair does Japan have? Most years they can't even hold a pairs national competitions for lack of pairs and if they do, only one pair shows up. The last 8 years (when the competition was held) 1/2 of the winners were not from Japan.

    Your move.
  18. julieann

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    So the team is based on nationals :rofl: :yikes:
  19. Jayar

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    My move is to wonder why my expectation is that you have reading comprehension skills...

    Mervin has not said that he CANNOT get citizenship... he has said that he WILL NOT since Japan does not recognize dual citizenship. Narumi obtaining Canadian citizenship, if I understand correctly, was never even considered.

    And I *DO* understand that there is not another pairs team in Japan, but they have THREE YEARS to put one that is eligible for the Os together. With the money that they have, it shouldn't be a tall order-- especially since they have the opportunity to medal with one. Without one, they can't compete (they can qualify, but not compete).
  20. Jayar

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    Not sure I understand your "comment". The Olympic criteria for each country is different. In the USA, the top X skaters are nominated to the Olympic Team, and are almost always going to be accepted as the team. In other countries there is an expectation of placement at a competition like Euros, or perhaps a minimum score to qualify. It's not rocket science, honey. It'f figure skating.
  21. Ziggy

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    The team event has to be after the individual competitions. Otherwise, skaters from countries taking part in the team event would be at a disadvantage.

    And how exactly is it going to work out?

    If skaters will have to skate different programs than in the individual events, then they will surely just rehash their programs from last season as spending loads of time preparing programs that would be skated once wouldn't be very clever.

    If skaters will have to skate the same programs, it'll define the word "pointless." :p

    Synchronised skating should have been made an Olympic sport instead.

    On the other hand, Jayar makes a good point.

    A team event could possibly result in federations working harder on being strong in all the disciplines and not just some of them. Maybe it would mean Japanese Fed would finally start working on a Pairs and Ice Dance programs?

    If this would happen, then I am all for it (but only if skaters will be skating different programs, it will be after individual events and Synchro becomes an Olympic sport too eventually :)).
  22. leafygreens

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    This, in a very general, general sense. More events = yes; $peedy/speedy execution = no.

    I'm also sick of the very condescending "I think the skaters can handle it :rolleyes:" comments.
  23. julieann

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    If the team competition is BEFORE the individual competition the team would have to be decided first. OC said he would like it first.

    Emi Hirai and Taiyo Mizutani came in second after the Reeds (who can't compete for Japan yet) at nationals and they were 11th at the Mont Blanc Trophy in 2010. If they represent Japan they will need 24-7 practice from the best coaches in the world to come even close to competing with the other ice dancers from around the world to come close to helping the team win.

    That leaves the Reeds, he has until July to decide if he wants to renounce his American citizenship and represent Japan, his sister already has so the choice seems obvious if they want to go to the Olympics. But I have no idea what they will decide as a team.

    That still leaves a hole in pairs, Takahashi and Tran are out.

    Japan didn't have a pairs competition 11 years out of the last 28 due to lack of competitors. 12 of the rest of those years only had one team competing (they won :lol:) 8 of those years were won by people who were not Japanese (Tikhonov (93-94), Markunsov (02-03), Patrick (05), (Tran 09-10-11).

    Japan could have and still can build up their pairs program but it just hasn't been a priority for them, maybe it will be now, same with other countries in the same boat.

    What dance team has gone from 11th at Monte Blanc Trophy to top 3 at the Olympics in 3 years in a country that has not made that discipline a priority? Can it happen? Why not. Will it? Doubtful.

    When did I ever said I didn't want it? I'm not one of the ones whining about the athletes not being able to handle it or its not fair that some countries can't send some people. I just thought with only having one WTT in 2009 and only two more until the Olympics they would like to try more times that 3 before putting in the Olympics. I was never against it. You seem to have trouble getting facts straight.
  24. RumbleFish

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    I can't speak for everyone, but I'm pretty sure I won't watch it. Some skaters will perform same programs they prepared for individual disciplines, and the team event will act as a spoiler. Also, I don't want to see some skaters receiveing gold medals despite putting out mediocre programs just because they were on the right team. IMO, Olympic gold medal in figure skating shouldn't be given out like candies.
  25. Vagabond

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    Jackson Haines! :swoon:

    Oh, I wish! But he died about a decade before the development of the earliest motion picture technology. I just did some hunting around on line to see if I could find any motion pictures that pre-date Salchow's skate at Troppau (now Opava) in 1911, and I found this, which purports to show one of the pairs at the 1908 Olympics in London.
  26. millipied

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    This poll is just nailbiting;)
  27. aliceanne

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    Thanks. Makes me feel guilty when I don't record skating.

    Yes, let's do this team thing.
  28. grandma

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    Pro, as I think it would add an interesting asset to the Olympics, just as Syncro would be a huge crowd drawer
  29. VarBar

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    If I understood correctly, Tarasova in this interview says that the team event would be meant for skaters who are not involved in the traditional competition.

    "Indeed, in the team competition can act not the skaters who will compete for medals in individual events."

    http://sport.rambler.ru/news/figureskating/587277284.html
  30. itsartemis

    itsartemis Enjoy your doron, Daisuke!

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    I never thought you would watch it - I mean, since Yuna can't compete in it. :saint:
  31. RumbleFish

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    I watch pairs and ice dance, both of which Yuna Kim does not compete.
    So much for your brilliant comment duh.
  32. alilou

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    But this doesn't mean that ALL the skaters will not be competing in the individual events, just that it's possible for skaters who are not competing in individual events to compete in the team event.

    I'd be astonished if the entire team event is made up of the next level of skaters down from each country (ie those not in individual events). They're going to have enough trouble finding enough countries to field teams for the team event as it is. And I can't imagine the top 3 (Cda, USA and Russia) being content with their 2nd tier of skaters competing.
  33. aliceanne

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    Actually that could be interesting. Sometimes skaters come in first or second at one program and then finish way off the podium because the they bomb in the other. So really, when you see the all around medalist, that person is not necessarily the best skater in any particular event.
  34. sk8sue

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    I interpreted that statement as meaning that some skaters who were in the main event but unlikely to be in the running for medals would have a chance to win a medal in the team event if they're on a strong team.

    I'm all for more skating as long as it can be done in a way that's not going to be disruptive to the skaters. They should have some choice in the matter of whether they want to be on the team event team.

    However, just imagine all the new what-if polls that will be springing up as people wonder how their favourites would have placed if only they had skated their routines in the individual event the way they did in the team event and etc., etc.!
  35. minignome

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    I don't understand the angst of people getting medals in the team event that might not get them in individual events. Yes, a team like Evora/Ladwig might come home with a medal. Other sports do this -- their are 12 people who get medals in a cross-country relay -- not all 12 ended up bringing home a medal in individual events. Ditto with ski jumping, short track, speed skating. It's not like making the Olympic Team is a cake walk -- just ask McLaughlin and Brubaker.

    Also, the business of repeating programs -- the way I understand it is all 10 teams get to do their short programs (so 40 shorts), and the top 5 get to do their longs (20 longs). Given the abysmal state of TV coverage in the US it's not like this is going to be a lot of duplication of programs to viewers. We usually only get to see the top 12 skaters in singles, top 8 in pairs, top 10 in dance and that's if we're lucky. Yes, we will likely see 8 American routines twice. But, there are bound to be skaters in the team competition where their participation in the team event is the only time we'd get to see them skate. In my book, more skating isn't something to bemoan.

    If they don't make the countries participate in the same discipline order I think the strategies could make the competition intriguing -- who do you put as your last skater with the medals on the line? I do hope that they start including this at Worlds so the skaters have a chance to get used to skating twice and the fans get a chance to see how it goes.
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  36. Finnice

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    During the synchro Worlds in Finland, Speedy had a press conference. A Finnish journalist asked him if the new team event means that synchro will not became an Olympic event. Speedy was silent for a minute, then only answered: "Lady, that was a very provocative question."

    I would have rather seen synchro at the Olympics than a team event. My reasons, as a Finn, are of course apparent.:saint:
  37. viennese

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    This - the FS team/points event - seem like a scheme to generate TV ratings rather than any genuine desire to even up M/F athlete numbers at the winter games.

    Was there seriously a groundswell of support for this event among athletes? Or only among the national federations likely to win medals?

    If so, I missed it.

    I'm psyched for women's ski jumping, they've been campaigning for a while.

    The X-Games-like events (snowboard cross, moguls, short track speed skating) as loopy as they once sounded to me, are really exciting, challenging, insipring, worldwide rink & mountain sports that draw athletes (individuals and teams) from all over.