Once Upon a Time S2: The Magic Returns

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by CDANN1013, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    I'm still waiting for the episode where Emma finally ends up in a corner curled up in a fetal position going, "It's too much! It's TOO MUCH!!" after all that she's been through because I honestly have no idea how she hasn't lost her mind yet, LOL :rofl: :yikes: :scream: :eek: :lol:

    My recording messed up last night so I still haven't seen the first twenty or so minutes of the episode. I'll have to catch it online which I was going to do tonight until we discovered that a window had broken in our basement and the room was a DISASTER from the rain and wind last night. We spent over three hours cleaning up glass, debris, craft stuff (my mom is a big time stamping person and has a ton of stuff), papers, ink (ugh, my hands are still multicolored!), and she's currently using a wet vac to try to get the water cleaned up. It's a mess! So yeah, I haven't gotten around to watching OUAT yet but darn it, I will be watching tomorrow night so long as we finally get the basement back in working order! :eek:
     
  2. AshleyN

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    Maybe I'm just in a grumpy mood or something, but I kind of hated this week's episode. I felt like it more or less shined a giant spotlight on all of my biggest problems with the show.

    First of all, am I supposed to feel even the tiniest bit of sympathy for Regina at this point? Because I honestly don't see why I should - she's a psychopath without a shred of a conscience or even a single redeeming quality. Even her so called "love" for Henry (which I think I'm supposed to see as some sort of evidence of "goodness" in her) is motivated entirely by her own selfish desires - it's all about what he can do for her, and not at all about what she can or should do for him. Not to mention that her idea of "redemption" amounted to a couple of days of not killing/torturing/raping* people, and when that didn't immediately result in people groveling before her she decided it wasn't worth it and quit. I mean, if they just want her to be the gloriously over-the-top Evil Queen that's great, that's how I like her best. But I get the sense that I'm supposed to be thinking that there's more to her than that, and it's just not happening.

    And on that note, I'm getting increasingly grossed out by the show trying to create some sort of moral equivalency between Cora/Regina and the Charmings, specifically Snow. Because seriously, wanting to take out one of the mass-murdering psychopaths who have made no attempt to hide their intentions of killing you and your entire family does not make you just like them. Killing Cora was the smartest thing Snow's ever done. Hell, I thought the most morally dubious thing she did in that episode was save Rumple's life, given that he actually is as bad as them, just less of an immediate threat to her personally at the moment. And in related news, I just want to say how much I agree with this:
    Finally, I swear I'm not a Henry-hater overall (I actually have a far greater tolerance for him than most people I've seen commenting on the show) but he was at his absolute most insufferable this week. Guess what kid? You're ELEVEN - there are some things that you don't need to know and that you don't get to be a part of. To be fair, I don't know if I was more annoyed with Henry or Emma on this issue, because she desperately needs to learn that part of being a parent involves setting boundaries, not letting yourself get bossed around, and not letting your kid get away with being a snotty little shit.


    *Speaking of which, this episode also featured a nice reminder of the fact that she spent literally DECADES raping Graham.
     
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  3. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    Definitely agree about the Regina stuff and I also agree that she's much better when she's just the evil queen rather than trying that whole redemption thing (which could have worked but Cora kind of screwed that up).

    I have a pretty high tolerance of Henry too (I also agree that we may be in the minority there, LOL) but in defense of Emma, she grew up without parents and her foster system experience was obviously less than ideal too, so I can understand her still trying to figure out this whole parenting thing. In a lot of ways, Emma has hidden her emotions and internal pain for so long that she's still that scared little girl who grew up alone and still has to really deal with her abandonment issues which is not a good combination in trying to parent a child. I think she's doing the best she can and with everything that's happened, her head is probably overwhelmed with just a TON of information right now. IMO, Henry has been acting bratty towards her since Manhattan when he discovered her lie about his father (which she admitted and apologized for unlike Regina who just sent Henry to therapy and made him feel like he was crazy) and I'm ready for him to finally forgive her for that and to stop being so obstinate and stubborn (at least for a little while....give your mom a break kid!). :(
     
  4. Spareoom

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    Yeah, Emma's not the most stellar parent but she has NO experience or any good examples to go by. And it's not like she can get advice from her mom because Snow never raised a child either. Ironically enough, the only person out of the group who is actually equipped to deal with Henry is Regina. Although, she HAS the parenting skills, she just badly misuses them.

    One question I had is, we never have figured out where Henry got the fairytale book, did we? I mean, as in who wrote it and how it got to him. I doubt it was Regina's.
     
  5. manhn

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    Did Graham always have an accent? Anyways, he's hotter than ever.

    I liked the episode even though no one was all that sympathetic. Yeah, yeah, murder is bad but I don't know why Snow felt that badly. What about all unnamed guards and soldiers who were working for Regina? None of those men who Snow beat were actually killed? They were just unconscious?

    Snow gave the book to Henry in class. Not sure how Snow originally got it or who wrote it.
     
  6. Norlite

    Norlite Well-Known Member

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    Mary Margaret gave it to him. But we were never told where or how she got it.
     
  7. walei

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    That kid's voice sounded exactly like Henry really threw me off. The whole time I was thinking this is how Henry entered Storybrook...
     
  8. Wyliefan

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    I see your point, but I thought this episode actually brought out just how bad and selfish Regina really is. Trying to kidnap a kid, and then taking his father away from him -- I don't know how anyone could feel much sympathy for her while watching that. It was also interesting the way they showed just how petty she can really be. A grown woman throwing a tantrum because a little boy sat on her favorite stool at a diner? Really? The thing I liked most about the episode is that it showed just how small-souled and mean she truly is.
     
  9. Spareoom

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    Yeah, I don't think we were meant to feel sorry for Regina in the last episode. The whole episode was highlighting how pathetic she really is. How her curse backfired, how petty she was and what she did to Owen and his father. And her childish and misguided belief that she really can have everything? Not even Rumple thinks that!
     
  10. Kruss

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    Me, too! That's why the end surprised me as to who the kid really is.
     
  11. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    Bump!! SO EXCITED about tonight's episode! :biggrinbo
     
  12. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    So sad for August. :wuzrobbed

    That "blackened sole" line . . . oh, Regina. :rofl:

    This woman is the new Rumpelstiltskin -- she's everywhere!
     
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  13. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    Yeah, definitely riding on the hating Tamara train and now I have VERY valid reasons to dislike her....she's a liar, a cheater, a manipulator, a murderer, has an ulterior motive for finding magic (which sounds like it could be very bad), and now I really believe that she's from FT Land and has an ax to grind with someone. :mad:

    I felt so bad for August tonight and even though I still think he did wrong by Emma, he did realize his errors and was facing the bad consequences of his actions. He didn't deserve to be tazered by the madwoman with an agenda. Him being saved by the Blue Fairy was good in that he didn't die but it was still sad to me because you could tell how much he wanted to tell Emma about the madwoman's plan. He was trying to do the right thing. Poor guy. :( I'm glad he gets a second chance now and that by seeing how his story went, MM is finally realizing that she might be able to have a second chance to change from her darker path too. Their scenes together were great and a little sad too.

    Loved Emma telling David to stop babying MM and that she needed to stop feeling bad for herself, start letting go of things she can't change, and start focusing on moving past it. Tough love from the tough daughter, LOL :respec:

    Most AWKWARD meal EVER with Emma, Henry, Tamara, and Neal, LMAO :rofl:

    I really loved the scene with Emma & Henry in their apartment. Emma's apology was definitely heartfelt and her asking Henry to stop pushing her away made me a little sad. She's fought tooth and nail for that kid since she stepped foot in Storybrooke and you could tell in this scene how much him pushing her away hurt her. I'm glad Henry accepted her apology and it looked like he was pretty emotional too. I'm glad the two of them seem to be past this now. They're my favorite relationship on this show. :)

    More later....
     
  14. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

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    I can't believe August is gone (I don't care about the child version)! Why does the show want to take out all the hot guys!!!

    ETA: I like Tamara, more so than, say, Bael. I hope Tamara and Owen can wreck some havoc!
     
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  15. Kruss

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    I thought the same thing when the Blue Fairy was able to help August. "Yay!! Oh...it's the little boy. Damn, no more hot guy to drool over..."
     
  16. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

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    Maddening, isn't it? We need a magic "quick growth" potion now. :D
     
  17. ChelleC

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    Over the last two days, I've caught up on the last four episodes. So many thoughts going around in my mind.

    First of all, Cora. She needed to die, but on the other hand I hate that Snow used Regina to do it. I thought the scenes at the end with Cora and Regina were pretty poignant.

    I'm not certain what I think of Rumpel being the reason Cora removed her heart.

    Rumpel's phone call to Belle when he thought he was dying. :wuzrobbed

    I loved Neal/Bae calling Rumpel Papa. Hopefully that relationship can be fixed.

    As for last night's episode, I just finished it, and I'm not sure what I think. I spoiled myself, so I knew what was going to happen to August, etc. On paper, I didn't like it at all. But watching it, I almost cried.
     
  18. walei

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    Just read a unlikely but hilarious theory on Tamara's identity:

    - She is involved with a guy named Owen
    - She uses electricity to kill people
    - Her ringtone in Owen's phone is Star Wars theme
    - Disney just bought out Star Wars franchise

    She is a Sith Lord. :lol:
     
  19. Wyliefan

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    Oh, I know. So sweet. And even sweeter was August calling Geppetto Papa! :wuzrobbed

    You know, at this point, I wouldn't even be surprised. :lol:
     
  20. flutzilla1

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    I know! What a tremendously disappointing ending for a great character. Boooo writers. Does anyone know if the actor did not want to continue or got another show, or something? It just seemed to come out of nowhere IMO.

    I definitely think Tamara is an interesting character. I wouldn't say I like her more than Bae, although since I don't like adult Bae's character at all, I guess that's not saying much (it is hard not to like Bae more because of MRJ being so naturally adorable, however ;)). I love reading all the theories about who she might "really" be.

    Speaking of Bae, does anyone know WHY David and MM have not reamed him out AT ALL for what he did to Emma 12 years ago? Not ONE mention of it? Very unrealistic that it wouldn't come up in conversation. At all. EVER.

    Still holding out hope for some Captain Swan scenes, even though we only have 4 eps left.
     
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  21. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    I read that Eion Bailey (August) got a pilot this year and has been busy with that project so his availability was more limited this year. That could be why they went this direction with his character. I have a feeling we'll see him in flashbacks next season though because there's so many things that we haven't seen yet regarding Neal, Emma, and August's history (my theory is that August had something to do with Henry getting to Storybrooke).

    I've been waiting for the Snow/Charming confrontation with Neal too but they really haven't had many chances to just sit down yet so maybe that's still coming. I did enjoy when Charming came out to Neal and Emma's conversation in Gold's shop, gave Neal the evil eye, and asked Emma if she was all right. Papa Charming is definitely the protective type so I think those scenes could still be coming. I hope so anyway! :D

    Now that it's a few days later, I am HARDCORE BUMMED that August never apologized to Emma for helping screw up the only time in her life that she was happy. He really did owe her at least that and now there's no chance for us to see that scene. That's the one thing I was really wanting to see this season. Darn it! :fragile:
     
  22. professordeb

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    Did I miss the memo again? About there not being a new episode tonight -- March 31st -- since it's a holiday weekend?
     
  23. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    They're airing 'enhanced' reruns with random pop up facts/news for the next two weeks (they did these same type of 'enhanced' episodes for Lost and the two reruns they're showing are "Queen of Hearts" tonight and "The Miller's Daughter" next weekend), then there's a recap/review type special called "OUAT: The Price of Magic" on April 14th, and the show returns to start airing the last four episodes of the season on April 21st.
     
  24. Allskate

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    I think Neal is one of the most boring and uninteresting characters on the show. Yeah, he's not hot, especially compared to August, but he has not charisma or anything interesting to help understand why Emma ever would have been into him in the first place. Plus, it's lame that he's been played by Tamara. I don't think she's a fairy tale character. She seemed to indicate that in one of the scenes with the old Asian man.
     
  25. HeatherC

    HeatherC Go Team SW Florida! =)

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    Bumping this up even though it seems like everyone here has given up on OUAT. :(

    I'm still watching and enjoying the show although all the breaks this year have really killed any momentum that the show has built through the season. I liked the back story between Rumple and Belle more than I did the stuff with Lacey. It was good to fill in the blanks between when Belle was scared of him and when they started falling for each other (that was a big gap of time to fill in from last season). I think Lacey/Belle is going to get her memories back from Rumple showing off his dark side to her. Charming's statement about 'showing her the man she fell in love with' is going to come true with her seeing his true colors as the Dark One (which actually is the guy that she fell for in FT land). Just my thoughts but it makes sense. :)

    Loved Rumple and Regina's conversation about Nealfire being Henry's father. That was pretty funny and these two are at their very best when they're going after each other. We can always find sympathy in their characters but it's times like this episode that remind us how dark they can be when they really want to be. These next few episodes should be pretty interesting to see where everything starts fitting together.

    Loved Emma & Anton (Tiny)'s reunion. That was very sweet and I wouldn't be surprised if their friendship comes into play again sometime in the future because they developed a great understanding and a trust between them when she was on the beanstalk earlier this season. :)

    I liked that Neal and Emma were able to talk like normal human beings regarding Henry and the stuff that happened with August. I'm gonna be bummed again though if they never talk about how August stole the money that Neal tried to give to Emma and if he never truly apologizes to her for what he did back then. There's SO much baggage between them and we're not seeing enough of them dealing with it. :(

    I can't wait for next week to see what Regina has up her sleeve and to see Emma start to figure out Tamara. I am SOOOOO over the whole Greg & Tamara thing and want to see them brought down ASAP. :mad:
     
  26. manhn

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    I'm completely confused by this Lacey character. Where did she come from? I thought "Lacey/Belle" was stuck in that underground hospital that entire time.
     
  27. Spareoom

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    Apparently Lacey is Belle's cursed persona. It's possible that she has some underlying mental illness (getting her kicks out of watching Gold beat the Sheriff up doesn't bode well, does it?) and pre-Emma, had been committed to the hospital for being a danger to her own health. The Lacey we see now is one who is more stable but I can see shades of the old Lacey there.
     
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    That has me baffled, too. I thought she was in the hospital because Regina was hiding her from Rumple (who thought she was dead). :confused:
     
  29. Wyliefan

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    Just one question: Isn't Maleficent supposed to be a dragon? So what in the name of all that's holy was that thing? (Okay, two questions.) Looked more like a Transformer!

    Emma and Henry's banter has gotten really good. Their scene in the car was my favorite part tonight.
     
  30. flutzilla1

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    Better episode than the last few. Love Snow and Regina's dynamics in all the flashback scenes and this week is no different. :)

    Still don't like Neal. It is hard because the more I see Michael Raymond-James the more I want to hug him because he is too adorable. I think he suffers from "Elizabeth from The Americans" syndrome in which an extremely likeable actor/actress like Keri Russell (or in this case MRJ) plays a really unapologetic, hyprocritical or selfish character.

    The sneak peak for next week was very revealing. I am :rofl: at the fact that it shows, very VERY obviously, that Neal is NOT Peter Pan. There have been quite a few know-it-alls on the OUAT facebook page and other fan sites on the 'net endlessly saying that he was without a doubt Peter Pan, and if you didn't agree with them, you were an idiot. I am :lol: at what their reactions will be after the next episode airs.