Olympic Team Event In?

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by AragornElessar, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. AragornElessar

    AragornElessar Well-Known Member

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    According to an unnamed source in this it is...

    CBC Sports.ca ~ Women's ski jumping back in Olympics: source

    Not sure how I feel about this.
     
  2. Sylvia

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    From Phil Hersh's 3/21 Globetrotting blog:
    ETA: For those who can access the Archives, there was a lively debate here in December 2009 about the pros and cons of holding a team event at the next Olympics: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=69777
     
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  3. SmallFairy

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    Norwegian media confirms it also,but of course they have no other information. What is the format of the Olympic team competition? I'm sorry if it's like world team trophy,because I haven't paid attention to that. An explanation is greatly appreciated:)
     
  4. kylet3

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    Am I the only one thinking this is a terrible idea?
     
  5. SmallFairy

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    Norwegian media confirms it too,of course they have no other information. Anyone know the format of this team event? I feel a bit strange about it...
     
  6. Vagabond

    Vagabond Well-Known Member

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    Here you go! ;)
     
  7. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness Happy Russian Hunger Games!

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    Olympics-Sochi 2014 winter Games to have six new events
    :D
     
  8. Frau Muller

    Frau Muller President of Dick Button Appreciation Club

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    Something cheesy about this. Just saying.
     
  9. SmallFairy

    SmallFairy Well-Known Member

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    ha ha most informative! :lol:


    BTW sorry about the double post;)
     
  10. quebecoise

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    I don't like the idea, but if the schedule of the team event is after all the "normal" disciplines, it can be ok. What I hope they won't do is to insert the team event between 2 normal disciplines(like free ladies and free men by exemple). That won't be nice for the skaters...

    I'm still thinking they should have found a way to insert synchro skating as olympic sport instead of team event...
     
  11. Gidget

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    The IOC has been adamant that they cannot increase the size of the Olympic Games (meaning no additional athletes). That means that they will either have to put together teams of athletes based on those who are already skating in individual events, or, more likely, reduce the number of skaters in the other individual events to make room for those who qualify for the team events. Bad move.
     
  12. Frau Muller

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    So given who we know is up-and-coming on the World scene, it looks like this Team Event in 2014 might be tailor-made for Russia, Japan and Canada for the top 3, with possibility for USA or France in the mix. Russia and Japan for sure duking it out for the gold.
     
  13. Vagabond

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    Japan doesn't have any Olympic-eligible pairs teams and is unlikely to develop one between now and 2014. (Mervin Tran would have to live in Japan to obtain citizenship.) What's more, there's only one elite Japanese ice dance couple.

    France has trouble fielding a pairs team these days and didn't send any pairs to Junior Worlds this year.

    China (which Frau Muller didn't mention) has been having trouble developing pairs teams lately, and it's conceivable that they won't have a dance couple qualify for Sochi.

    There is no guarantee that any other country -- not even Germany, Italy, or the Czech Republic -- will qualify entries in all four disciplines.

    Maybe the IOC could just mail out the medals to Russia, Canada, and the U.S. and be done with it.
     
  14. Gidget

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    This is why I think this is so bad - they are going to have to come up with qualifications for TEAMS, and if you have to now allow pairs and dance teams in for the team event that wouldn't normally qualify on their own to the pairs and dance events (like Germany, Italy, CZE, etc), they are going to have to reduce the number of athletes from the singles events to make space for them. As I said, the IOC has been pretty adamant in the past that more events does NOT mean more athletes.
     
  15. joeperryfan

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    The IOC likes sports that are evenly spread across the globe and across genders, giving incentive to team events usually has the aim of making some countries sponsor the disciplines where they are weakest in order to build a team. Hopefully it will also make some boys stick in the sport and make men more willing to watch since they prefer to root for teams instead of individuals. I haven't seen this practice work anywhere yet, maybe someone has a positive example to share?
     
  16. MikiAndoFan#1

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    I think it's a terrible idea.
     
  17. smartblade

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    The new format i think will give opportunity for more countries to be involved, unlike 2009. The new team format was to start with 10-12 teams and the first round and to only include 1 short program for men, ladies and pairs and 1 short dance. From there the top 5-6 teams would perform 1 free program for men, ladies and pairs and 1 free dance to determine the medal placements, and between the first round and medal round each team have the option of substitute athletes from up to two disciplines.

    there may be a possibility that one nation may be able to have two teams entered into the team event. To fill the quota for teams for the event without having to add additional athletes outside those who have already qualified. An example may end up being
    1) CAN 1 2) CAN 2 3) CHN 4) CZE 5) FRA 6) GER 7) ITA 8) JPN 9) RUS 1 10) RUS 2
    11) USA 1 12) USA 2
    This would be only possible it lets say canada, russia and usa qualified at least 2 entries in each discipline, and that countries like spain will need a pairs team to qualify or, CZE qualify a ladies entry.

    This is an example only. Lets not get this twisted.
     
  18. ssmith17

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    I think this is awesome. At last figure skaters will have the chance to compete for more than 1 event. I always thought it unfair how gymnasts could win 4,5, or even 6 medals, while figure skaters could only compete for 1!!

    If you think its a terrible idea then you must also think that team events in gymnastics, equestrian, and ski jumping, are also terrible ideas despite the fact they have been around for years and have provided some brilliantly memorable Olympic moments.

    Can you imagine if there had been a team event in Vancouver and Brian Joubert had a chance to redeem himself after his disaster in the single event? Mao rematch with Kim? THe Germans getting another shot at the Chinese pairs?

    The potential for this could be great for figure skating.
     
  19. millipied

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    A lot of my friends, who are casual FS viewers, like the idea. So maybe it can help the sport.
     
  20. manleywoman

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    ^ I'm with ssmith17. I love the idea. If they can structure it similarly to gymnastics, where there are some strong individuals, say, on the Greek team, but they are not strong enough to do all-around. It gives more opportunities for specialists.
     
  21. Gidget

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    There's no way they can structure it like gymnastics, which is made up of 4 or 6 events. What are you suggesting for figure skating? That you can compete only in "jumping" or "spinning" in the team event?
     
  22. smartblade

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    I may seem like a bad idea now just because it seems that there are a few countries that dominate, but really its purpose it to have the sport grow countries where figure skating has not reached its potential (South Korea, China, Spain, Italy) or reboost countries whom used to have strong legacy in figure skating (Germany, Czech). Or have countries who are passionate about sport start funding more into figure skating such as Austrailia.
     
  23. leafygreens

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    I agree, but how is this going to work? They don't even mention any details about this team event. Is it like the World Team trophy? This kind of event is basically going to be 4 or 5 countries duking it out, and the smaller countries won't even have a chance. I guess it's like that in gymnastics too, though.

    Sort of. There should be jumping and spinning for individual events, and synchro for the team event. The team event doesn't make as much sense. Anybody know why they won't allow "additional athletes"? They're just trying to squeeze more out of athletes who are already going to be exhausted. I think making them perform more programs is a bad idea. It should be a jump, a spin, a throw, and a twizzle, and be done with it! Having everyone perform their SP's and then LP's for the finals is going to take so much time. I thought they were already concerned about "lack of ice time" for additional events, so this makes no sense. I do agree that there should be some kind of additional event for skaters to participate in. Having individual jump and spin events will be perfect for people to show off the most advanced moves in skating, from quad jumps to throw quads to the fastest inventive spins. Stuff that's too much to put in a program with other elements. We have ski jumpers who are judged on one jump alone, so why not with skating? But I don't think that's what the IOC has in mind for the team event.
     
  24. manhn

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    I do not see the ISU and IOC wanting to stage an event with 40-48 performances in one day.

    Yes.
     
  25. Vagabond

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    Earth to ssmith17! Earth to ssmith17! Come in please!

    South Korea didn't (and doesn't) have any pairs or dance teams. It did have some men who were age-eligible in 2010, but the men's team didn't qualify for the Olympics.

    China's men didn't qualify either.

    France didn't qualify for the ladies' competition in Vancouver, but even if it had, it probably wouldn't have sent anyone. The only age-eligible French ladies at the time were Candice Didier, who was recovering from injuries, and Gwendoline Didier, who also had health problems and wasn't even sent to Euros.
     
  26. l'etoile

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    the horror... all those burdens and stress that would fall onto skaters, omg... plz plz let it be scheduled at least a week AFTER the main disciplines have finished. But I'd never understand how to make sense of it. Also, the reason that Olympic moment is special for many ppl is that it's almost once in a lifetime chance for many athletes, and it's all focused on that one moment with tremendous stress/adrenalin stumbling with tears and joys from the athletes themselves and everyone watching across the world. Talking about being able to have redemption or another chance at the same event, IDK... maybe I don't know bcuz I don't really understand how other sports with group competition is dealing with it or whatever.
     
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  27. manleywoman

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    Sorry, was just coming back to clarify my thoughts . . . I know for the Team Event it wouldn't be structured like Gymnastics. But I would like to see the inclusion somehow of specialists for spinning, jumping, and footwork so that smaller countries that wouldn't have the full team would be able to compete. But that's a separate conversation.

    As for the Team event, yes, a few countries will dominate at first. But I have a hard time beleiving that countries that are lacking in just one of the 4 disciplines wouldn't scurry to build those programs, which would ultimately help skating in general.

    BUt I agree it should be AFTER the individual events.
     
  28. millipied

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    I would assume and hope that lower ranked athletes will be given chance for team event. That way only those higher-ranked athletes who truly wants will participate while also giving chance to so many deserving athletes who do not currently make the team.
     
  29. leafygreens

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    Like I said, how is there going to be enough time for this? The excuse for no more skating events has always been "not enough ice time." Something about "equality for women" - this whole thing sounds like BS to me, a last minute scramble to add something that will take no additional resources. It's going to be half men competing in the team events anyway, so how will there be more equality?
     
  30. itsartemis

    itsartemis There will only be one Daisuke!

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    I absolutely love the idea. In my country (Norway) the most important medals to win are the team competitions (relay for cross country skiing and team competition for ski jumping) because so many things have to come together and there is a lot of excitement during the competitions. it's always the ratings winner. The athletes love representing their country together. It is a big honor to be picked for the team.

    If this will encourage countries to build strong programs in all disciplines I think it is positive for the growth of the sport.

    Figure skating is one of the sports where the athletes compete very little compared to other sports and the athletes only have one shot at a medal in each championship. I think it is great they will get one more opportunity to take a medal home for their country.