Olympic Champion SURVIVOR: LADIES Round 5

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Who is the weakest link?

Poll closed Aug 16, 2012.
  1. Peggy Fleming

    54 vote(s)
    32.5%
  2. Dorothy Hamill

    36 vote(s)
    21.7%
  3. Katarina Witt

    22 vote(s)
    13.3%
  4. Yuna Kim

    54 vote(s)
    32.5%
  1. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    Here we go, Round 6 -- Ladies!

    In Round 5, we said goodbye to:

    5th place: KRISTI YAMAGUCHI


    We eliminate one skater per round.
  2. falling_dance

    falling_dance Well-Known Member

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    There's a 5 where the 6 should be in this thread title.

    I'm voting for Witt again.
  3. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    Oh crap!! Admins, can you fix the title to say "Round 6?" Thank you!
  4. berthesghost

    berthesghost New Member

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    Me too
  5. satchelpooch318

    satchelpooch318 New Member

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    Me three!
  6. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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  7. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    This entire poll i have voted for Katarina. But because it is so close between Yuna and Peggy, i voted peggy because Yuna is Awesome and should win
  8. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I don't like Katarina Witt's style. But the weakest for me is Peggy.
  9. galaxy

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    Sorry, double post.
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2012
  10. galaxy

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    It's so weird. In the round 5 Peggy got only 10 votes while Yuna got 44. As soon as this round started, Peggy got more votes than Yuna. :rofl::rofl:
    This is why these kinds of polls are meaningless, isn't it?
    Maybe FSU should disclose who voted for who also in Ladies just like some of other polls.
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  12. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I cant believe Yu Na is getting so many votes amongst this group. The only one of these who even compares to her is Hamill and "maybe" Yamaguchi (now gone anyway) due to her longevity and pro career. I LOL at the idea she was a weaker skater than Fleming or Witt even considering the eras they skated in.
  13. l'etoile

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    Many posters in previous rounds stated that they were gonna vote for Peggy but since Kristi was on the edge, they went for her. Reasonable guess is that votes that were for Kristi are now going for Peggy.

    And Konspiracy theory is already boring:blah:
  14. mazzy

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    One word: figures. Put 2010 Yuna in an 80s comp and she's so far back after the first segment that there's no point continuing to skate.
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    satchelpooch318 New Member

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    Same scenario for 1966-1968...Peggy and Co. could've possibly wiped the floor with Yu-Na after Compulsory Figures, that not even Yu-Na's 3Lutz-3Toe would save her (even against Peggy's SE-2Axel-SE-Layback... :swoon:)
  16. sk8ingcoach

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    Im sorry but you cant use the excuse of figures to say that fleming and Witt are better than yuna. If compulsory figures were still in competitions, im sure yuna would have spent hours and hours on them like everyone else had to. Of course her figures arent going to be as good as fleming of witt, because she doesnt need it.
  17. l'etoile

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    Similar analogy also applies. Well it goes around and comes around. If Peggy, Hamil, or Witt had lived in more current era, they probably would have upped their caliber with 3-3s to win.

    We don't necessarily need to solely look into these champions' technical abilities or how excellent they were in figures. Dominance, their iconic position in their victories, ability to fully show and present their potential when the time came. These are easier to compare them with.
  18. AndyWarhol

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    I voted Yuna.. not a fan.
  19. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    LOL and you know Yu Na would have been defective at figures how exactly. :lol: Even if she didnt show excellent basic skating which would seemingly lend itself to strong figures if she came up in that era, you would still wouldnt have anyway to tell unless she was Surya Bonaly. Nobody would watch the free skating of Schuba and Lynn and imagine Lynn would be so poor in figures and Schuba so great. That is unless you are admiting the way the sport was then, so rife with politics that a Korean skater would be certain to be buried in figures that they would be certain to never become a big name (probably true in fact, but that only mocks the credability of results in the figures era, and in no way is a mark against Yu Na's skating ability).

    One thing for sure, the likelihood of Yu Na being worse in figures than Witt would be next to nothing, given how pathetic Katarina Witt's figures were. Granted she wouldnt have the communist bloc and being the sex symbol of sports at the time to save her if she was anywhere near that bad. Since we are going into fantasy what ifs, an even more likely one is if Witt were from Korea nobody would have ever heard of her, or had she been born in the era of the jumps likewise she would be a nobody today. Only being born in the country she was, having the coach she had, skating when she did, and being born with the looks she did, could she have become a great champion.
  20. mazzy

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    I haven't actually claimed that Yuna was worse than Witt or Fleming. I believe that the whole comparison of is somewhat pointless. Thus making claims like judgejudy has:
    is ridiculous. Yuna -as we know her- would have been slaughtered in Witt's or Fleming's era because she would be competing in a totally different sport.
    Now had Yuna been brought up as a competitive skater in the figures era, she obviously would have devoted most of her time to figures...but then she'd probably also be a way weaker jumper and free skater in general. That's pure speculation we'd be indulging in.
    Kim's actually my favourite skater from that list. I just cannot say that she's clearly superior to the other ladies. She's never had to acquire some of the skills that were fundamental to them.

    I said Yuna of 2010 would not be competitive in figures, which is a fair assumption given she's never had to practice them. As to the rest, see above. We aren't comparing hypothetical skaters that could have been totally different under whatever circumstances, which makes your claim of Yunas clear superiority considering the others' era ridiculous. As to the big konspiracy in favour of Schuba from mighty Austria or Witt from mighty GDR :lol:. Lacking any proof of them being upheld in figures, I'm more inclined to go with those that were around at the time. Especially Schuba is recognized for being and outstanding figures skater. The woman does deserve some respect.
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    I voted off Hamill because I feel she's the one who least changed skating.

    I think Witt will win this even tho I'm not into her skating. Winning two olympic Gold = she was one tough lady.
  22. l'etoile

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    This, is, the most logical reason I've ever seen:rolleyes:
  23. judgejudy27

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    Which is a ridiculous statement with NO relevance on your behalf as figures arent even a part of competition today, so why should she be evaluated on something she wasnt even asked to practice nor compete. By contrast free skating was still the majority of the score back then, atleast when Witt and Hamill skated, so it is far to evaluated both women by the quality of their free skating atleast for their own eras (which even for her own era was nothing great when it comes to Witt, I already admited I am impressed with Hamill), and in the case of those who can be evaluated by figures neither Witt or Hamill were great at those either, while Fleming obviously was.

    I said even considering eras the caliber of her skating is easily superior to the others on this list, except for possibly Hamill. That isnt such a complicated statement.

    I never implied Schuba was held up in figures. I know her figures were absolutely briliant. I stated her as an example that one cant always tell the quailty of figures just by watching free skating. Learn to read.

    LOL everyone who was around at the time was aware that Witt was propped up in figures placings often. As for proof watch the video of her laughable compulsory figures in Calgary where she almost came to a dead stop on several occasions and traced tiny uneven tracings. I doubt her figures were even any better than Midori Ito's. There are other videos of her doing figures, and they are all unimpressive to put it mildly. As already mentioned I never stated or implied Schuba was held up in figures, and in fact I stated previously it was ridiculous the greatest figures skater ever was voted off so soon, even if her free skating was a duck.
  24. skateboy

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    This. Toller Cranston even stated that, if anything, Schuba was undermarked for her figures. she was THAT good.
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    Winning two olympic Gold = she was one lucky lady.

    The skating itself was never much to write home about.
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  27. skateboy

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    Just about 9 hours left to get your votes in!