Olympic Champion SURVIVOR: LADIES Final Results!!

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  1. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    The voters have spoken! The ultimate OLYMPIC CHAMPION SURVIVOR in LADIES is (drum roll)..........


    1st place and Gold Medalist: KATARINA WITT


    2nd place and Silver Medalist: DOROTHY HAMILL


    3rd place and Bronze Medalists (tie): YUNA KIM and PEGGY FLEMING



    5th place: KRISTI YAMAGUCHI
    6th place: TARA LIPINSKI
    7th place: SHIZUKA ARAKAWA
    8th place: SJOUKJE DIJKSTRA
    9th place: OKSANA BAIUL
    10th place: ANETT POETZSCH
    11th place: BEATRIX SCHUBA
    12th place: SARAH HUGHES



    So, would you ranked the champions any differently? Any wuzrobbing going on here?
  2. falling_dance

    falling_dance The Scarlet Unlettered

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    Were it up to me, Schuba would've remained in the game a lot longer and Fleming would've won. Kim would take the "silver".
  3. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Horrible results IMO. Kim, Hamill, and Yamaguchi should have been the podium in any order, although I could have lived with Fleming or Lipinski on it as well. Schuba should have finished somewhere in the middle around 6th, the greatest compulsory figures skater ever deserved more respect. Witt I would have had around 8th or 9th.
  4. skateboy

    skateboy Well-Known Member

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    My rankings would be:

    1st: Kim
    2nd: Witt
    3rd: Lipinski

    4th: Schuba
    5th: Fleming
    6th: Hamill
    7th: Yamaguchi
    8th: Arakawa
    9th: Baiul
    10th: Hughes
    11th: Dijkstra
    12th: Poetzsch
  5. l'etoile

    l'etoile New Member

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    On a brighter and funny note, here in this poll, Yuna made the podium, yet again! :lol: Her music choices have just been announced and I hope she continues her streak of records of being the only one to make podium in every competition she's entered!
  6. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder how Kerrigan and Sumners who each lost Olympic Gold by .1 would have fared in this game. I imagine they would have been voted off right after Hughes probably.
  7. AndyWarhol

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    MICHELLE KWAN!
  8. Finnice

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    I was wondering why Michelle did not win this poll. Then I remembered.
  9. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    So happy Witt got her deserved win even with all the haters she has here. :respec:
  10. sk8ingcoach

    sk8ingcoach Active Member

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    Im not a Witt hater, but i dont believe she deserved to win this.

    My opinion would have been
    1: Kim (because she had the best olympics performances of all time)
    2: Dorothy
    3: Lipinski ( although not dominate throughout her short career, her Olympics performance was brilliant)
    4: Witt ( although IMO technically weak, her presentation was #1 )
    5: Fleming
    6: Yamaguchi ( not the perfect performance but a solid performance, however i wish midori had won)
    7: Dijkstra
    8:Arakawa ( although she didn't need too, i wish she did her 3-3 combinations instead of playing it safe )
    9: Schuba
    10: Baiul ( although i really liked her short from olympics, the rest was boring and extremely weak technically)
    11: Poetzsch
    12: Hughes ( won of my favourite olympic performance, but because of her short and lack of a dominant career ive placed her last )
  11. query5

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    my list would be
    1) peggy
    2) katarina
    3) dijkstra
    4) Yu-Na
    tieDorothy Hamilli
    6) Kristi
    7) Beatrix Schuba
    8) Shizuka Arakawa
    tie Tara Lipinski
    10)Annette Poetzsch
    11)Oskana Bauil
    12) Sarah Hughes
  12. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    If we are voting only for the Olympic gold winning performance, Yu na and Tara should rank very high. If we are voting for skating skills, artistry, and domination in their era, Katarina, Peggy and may be Dorothy should rank high. Kristi's OGM performace, despite two major mistakes, was quite strong. How many ladies have landed a 3L-3t combination in their Olympic LP? Just two (Kristi and Yu na).

    Overall, I don't have a problem with Katarina winning this poll, but I am just a bit surprised because I thought she was hated on fsu, and I thought Yu na was the most beloved so she would win.
  13. museksk8r

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    sorry; double post. :wall:
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  14. museksk8r

    museksk8r Holding an edge and looking dangerously sexy

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    It must have been Kat's fabled telekinetic ability to stare down her competitors and cause them to break that boosted her to the top step of the podium. I don't think any of the voters want to get on her bad side. Kat was like Brooke Shields and Stephen King's Carrie wrapped into one fierce package. :EVILLE:;):p
  15. l'etoile

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    IMO Yuna has both disadvantage and advantage being the only one who's currently competing. Surely she's beloved by many but there're also many haters like it has always been for any skaters with successful career in their time. Not to say that Yuna's third place in this poll is a big scheme of things, of course. I think it's an honor for her to stand so high among some of the most amazing and iconic olympic champions, which is well-deserved for her class.
  16. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    Yuna gave away two WC titles
  17. dawnie

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    Actually, she had a chance to win every World Championship she participated in. Defending and repeating World titles seems to be a rarity for ladies these days. If Yuna won every World title from 2007-2011 there's no doubt she would have won this poll and be considered the greatest ladies skater of all time.
  18. flipforsynchro

    flipforsynchro New Member

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    ^i think in 2010 and 2011 she could have easily gotten first. In 2007 wasn't she injured and same in 08? And I agree, if she did win 2007-2011 she would be one of the greatest.
  19. dawnie

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    Yes, she was injured in 2007 and 2008 but she could have won both titles.

    She won the SP in 2007 and if she skated a semi-clean LP, the title would have been hers.

    In 2008, she fell in the SP but won the LP and was only like 2 points away from winning the whole thing.

    Looking back, I think she won at least one segment of the competition in all the Worlds she participated in so winning was within reach all those times.

    I agree 2010 and 2011 should have been easy wins for her. Hell, even 2012 would have been a cakewalk for her.

    So she could have hypothetically been a 6 time World Champion but as we all know, winning more than one World Championship is extremely tough for ladies.
  20. judgejudy27

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    It was actually missing the triple lutz at each Worlds from 2007-2011, most times more than once when one less miss would have done it, minus 2009 that cost Yu Na winning the title all those times, yet in the poll on this forum who had the best triple lutz ever Yu Na was the winner ahead of Ito and Harding. :lol: Suddenly Witt winning a best as best Olympic Champion skater doesnt seem so surprising anymore.
  21. dawnie

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    She didn't miss a triple lutz at all at the 2010 Worlds. She messed up the flip in the SP and fell on the salchow in the LP.
  22. Vash01

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    How about Mao and Miki actually WINNING those? They did what it took to win.
  23. Vash01

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    Excuses excuses..........if if if..................

    The only thing that matters is what she did in the competition.

    By your logic, Michelle would have two OGMs- if only (fill in the blanks)
  24. flipforsynchro

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    I'm just saying she COULD have easily won those two titles, not that she was nice and decided to give them to Mao/Miki. I'm not a Yuna fan, I'm just saying that she gave away two WC titles that she could've easily won.

    I think you might have interpreted what I wrote differently
  25. julieann

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    That's more how my list would have looked.
  26. judgejudy27

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    Miki's "winning" skates in 2011 were probably the worst in 20-30 years. She didnt win so much as survive the others. Yeah she did what it took to win that night, which wasnt much of anything. :lol:
  27. dawnie

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    It wasn't that bad. Although I do think Miki was over-marked, her LP really wasn't horrible. I think once it became clear Mao wasn't going to be a factor at those championships, Miki became the beneficiary of pro-Japan politicking.
  28. Vash01

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    There was no pro-Japan politicking. Miki got it done. Yu na (and others) did not.
  29. MikiAndoFan#1

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    :respec:

    :rofl: You're so exaggerated.
  30. Vash01

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    Worse than Jill Trenary in 1990? Oksana Baiul in 1993? Annette Poesch (sp?) in the 1980s? Yuka sato in 1994?

    Miki did more than any of these ladies (and I say more than Yuka, despite Yuka's sublime basic skating).
  31. a56

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    The fact that Kim lost two world titles to Ando, a truly mediocre skater, *significantly* diminishes her historical legacy. She could have been five time world champion, and she has only won one. As for Katarina Witt winning the poll, :slinkaway.
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  32. judgejudy27

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    That was the last one which arguably she could have beaten, and exactly what I had in mind when I said the atleast 20 years before that it would have been something like Poetzch in 1980, so actually more like 21 or 31 years if I was being exact. :lol:

    However that isnt even really a fair comparision since this was 1990, not 2011. For 1990 standards (of the human ladies, not the superhuman Ito) Trenary's performance was much stronger than Ando's for 2011 standards.

    Yes way worse than her. Both had 5 triples, Baiul had no triple combination but Ando had no triple flip, and Baiul's artistry is light years superior. Bonaly and Chen from 93 would have both crushed Ando's LP from the 93 Worlds, and both lost to Baiul (even if controversially so) so...

    Yes WAY worse than Sato. Sato actually had 1 more triple, did both the triple lutz and triple flip, and everything she does between the jumps including the other elements like spins, footwork, spirals is miles better.


    Where would Ando have come at the 2010 Olympics with the same performances? Probably the same spot she finished as it was, 5th place, maybe 4th at a stretch but only since Nagasu was so undermarked.
  33. Vash01

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    The quality of Miki's jumps is far superior to those of Sato. Sato's footwork is unparalleled, but the rest of her skating was not that great as an amateur.
  34. skateboy

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    Which goes to show all of us that it is not "easy" to win a world title. ;)
  35. judgejudy27

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    The only thing Miki can beat Sato in is jumps and 5 triples, no triple-triples, no triple flip and botching your biggest combination is not some stellar jumping display. Sato's spins, footwork, stroking, spirals, choreography, expression, were all much better than anything Ando showed at the 2011 Worlds, especialy her lacklustre by default winning free skate. I can only imagine if Ando was the one who did that skate at the 94 Worlds and beat Bonaly in Japan instead. The temporarily deranged Bonaly or her crazy mom might have done something really scary.
  36. museksk8r

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    :rofl: I'm imagining how Surya's behavior could possibly get any worse short of causing bodily harm to the gold medalist. I guess along with refusing to stand on the 2nd podium step and refusing to wear the silver medal in a teary mess, she could also have belted loudly the French National Anthem the entire time during the playing of the Japan anthem and triumphantly waved the French flag in the air like a madwoman trying to tame a wild bull. :yikes:
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  37. Vash01

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    You are criticizing Miki for not having 3-3, but you forget that before the COP got VERY strict about UR, Miki was routinely landing 3L3R combinations. Nobody argues against Yuka's stroking and footwork, but that's all she really had in 94. Her jumps were always labored, the spirals were average, and her expression was always 'a big smile' regardless of what music she skated to. She did not really come into her own until after she turned pro. As an eligible skater, Miki is definitely stronger than Yuka. I know you absolutely hate Miki, so what I say is not going to matter.
  38. satchelpooch318

    satchelpooch318 New Member

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    WORD.
  39. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    You are right I dont like Miki, but the reason I dislike her is quite simple. I am not impressed with her skating, and I dont find it the caliber of a World Champion, let alone a multi World Champion at all. It has nothing to do with a personal grudge or bias since she beat any of my favorites, as frankly while some impress me I am not a big fan of any of her main rivals. I think she is a great lady, but as a skater with her achievements she is much less what one would expect, and I think she is often grossly overmarked in her career especialy in PCS. That said I was completely fine with her 2007 title as while she did need Asada and Kim to make major mistakes she still displayed a very impressive jumping display, which is what a skater like her should have to do in order to ever win a major event, as there is nothing else besides her strong jumps there really. Her 2011 title was a really weak one and at the very least it is silly to suggest it isnt a Worlds Kim couldnt have won in her sleep and that she didnt completely blow or throw away (which is her own fault completely, nobody is disputing that, and we are all agreeing it is a mark against Kim and her career, not an excuse for her) and lost mostly due to how impressive someone else was, LOL!

    I think you hugely underrate the quality of Satos spins as an amateur. They are very strong and far superior to any Ando has ever done. Take a look at her layback and her final scratch spin imparticular in this program and compare to any Ando has done:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVPLjTf2Pr8

    As for spirals Sato has more than adequate spirals, they arent Kwan or Cohen, but how on earth could they be weak compared to Ando who has abysmal spirals where she barely gets her leg to 90s and wobbles to hold her balance.

    You say Sato as an amateur was only great footwork and stroking, fine, but in that case what on earth was Ando besides sometimes great jumps, and as mentioned her 2011 Worlds winning LP wasnt even a display of great jumping with less jump content than a winning performance from the early 90s. Is there anything else Ando can be noted for besides sometimes great jumping, at best she is only ok at a few other things, that is it, and as I say that her last successful 3/3 combos or 7 triple programs were how many years ago now.
  40. briancoogaert

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    OOoops, I was not a huge fan of Yuka as an amateur. But she was definitely a strong skater. Her basics were among the best ever. Her edge jumps were beautiful with great power. And her Lutz & Flip were good technique, even if she was not really consistent with them.
    IMO, she was a better skater than Miki. :swoon: