Oksana Domnina and Roman Kostomarov married and pregnant

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  1. ostile17

    ostile17 Active Member

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    http://www.dzd.ee/?id=294772

    Congratulations to them on their wedding and the arrival of a new baby.
    Wishing them a long, healthy and happy life together.
  2. oleada

    oleada Well-Known Member

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    Congrats to them!
  3. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    I reject the notion that they were bad in Vancouver! Totally reject it. Tabloidy writing. Would she be Oksana Kostomarova?
  4. MikiAndoFan#1

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    How nice! I wish them the best!
  5. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Somehow I missed that Domnina retired...I'm assuming Shabalin did too?

    ps congrats to her :)
  6. overedge

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    When they apparently had expectations of winning gold, going in as the current world champions, I imagine that ending up in third place would be a "bad performance" by some standards.
  7. Asli

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    Kostomarov said he would marry Domnina if she would give him a child? :eek:

    Who says romance is dead? :shuffle:

    Congratulations to them!
  8. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    My thoughts exactly, Asli. Blech. Let's hope they had a private ceremony because we know he had a thing about bridesmaids...

    Sorry to be negative... love her, can't stand him, even if that's irrational. I do hope he's matured and they make it work... they've been together several years now, so that's positive. Can't wait til she's ready to get back on ice with Maxim/Roman/new partner/celebrity show/soloist... whatever. :D Best wishes to both! :cheer2:
  9. Jenya

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    I don't think they ever officially announced their retirement. As far as I know, they said they would not compete this next season in order to allow Shabalin's knees to heal and then decide about their future.
  10. barbk

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    I was hoping the "if she would give him a child" was some kind of colloquial usage that just didn't translate well. Somehow I'm having trouble thinking of her as a broodmare.
  11. silverstars

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    My thoughts exactly! I kind of hope that there was something lost in translation there....

    Best of luck to the couple!
  12. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I hope the same, but his reputation doesn't give me confidence... :shuffle:
  13. Jenya

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    I would translate it the same - last year, Kostomarov said that he would marry Domnina if she would give him a child, wrote "Express-Gazeta."

    Let's hope that he was misquoted or it was taken out of context. :shuffle:
  14. vivika1982

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    Thank you ostile17 :)
    I wish this is the truth or at least prefer to believe that Kostomarov is not a neanderthal . Anyway we can't expect to much from an article posted in "Gossips" but to write that D/S placement at OG was unsuccesful is plain stupid .
    Here is similar material ,where the info about the pregnancy and possible wedding was pretty much copy-pasted and mentioned Kostomarov,s participation in "Dance on Ice" .

    http://www.dni.ru/showbiz/2010/8/2/196416.html
  15. MacMadame

    MacMadame Internet Beyotch

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    A lot of people think it's not important to get married until you start having children. Maybe that's what he meant.
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  16. DzD is just another trashy unreliable "publication" that are common in the post-Soviet environment. It is not a good idea to judge anyone based on "quotes" from this kind of... trash. I don't know what else to call it. Most of these sites re-print information published somewhere else - and add their own headlines and spin. Often with made up or twisted "quotes." I urge people who translate Russian language pieces to indicate the nature of the source. Komsomolskaya Pravda and Sovetskiy Sport are the only two sources I would trust (but not unconditionally!)

    Also, the article calls Oksana the "civil wife" - which means that they live together but are NOT married.

    PS. Just to give you a sense of what this site is, one of the headlines is "Because of the abnormal heat, Moskovites are not hanging themselves as often." With a picture of a noose next to the headline. :rolleyes:
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  17. equatorial

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    The Russian expression used isn't that bad although it still sounds ridiculous. But this "quote" came from the Russian gutter press. "Express-Gazeta" is the worst kind of tabloid imaginable.
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  18. MR-FAN

    MR-FAN Kostner Softie

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    In an interview from a couple of weeks ago, she explicitly said she's not retiring, and is not sure whether or not she'll compete again. She said it's just so hard after all this time to simply say "that's it, I'm done" But she said either way she's for sure not competing this season.

    I highly doubt we'll see her competing again though, tbh
  19. IneZR

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    Congrats to Oksana and Roman! I bet they'll have an incredibly good-looking baby! ;)
  20. Tinami Amori

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    Probably. Most young women in Russia on their first marriage would not have it any other way. It gives their marriage more “legitimacy”, if I am explaining it correctly. It’s still an honor, in the “old traditional” sense when a Man gives a woman His Name.

    Plus it’s easier for all members of one family to have 1 Family Name, for sake of children and other every-day specifics. In Soviet days for a woman to keep her own family name after marriage would be a beaurocratic nightmare, and “everybody” would think that “something is wrong in that marriage”…. unless she was a Film Star or Stage Celebrity.

    Irina Rodnina and Irina Slutskaya, are very few who kept their own names, and are exceptions….. plus they are both jewish and more “matriarchal inclined” than “whipping-willow” Russian girls with more patriarchal upbringing.

    Oksana is crazy in-love with Kostomarov, she’ll gladly take his name.

    Actually, regardless if the article presented the phrase accurately or not……. In the context of Old Russian Traditions, it is very romantic.

    This means he is serious about her. So serious that he considers her worthy to be the Mother of his Children.

    It’s also can be looked at as he is bribing her to give him a child…… which is also “in the old world context” an honor for a woman, to see a man eager to have a child with her. Usually it’s the other way around….. the girl wants a child sooner than later, and the young man wants to wait…..

    There are many fairy tales in Russian folklore where a Hero of the Story would select his wife (a Russian Maiden) based on how many “Healthy sons she can give him”.

    There is a famous poem by A. Pushkin, The Tale of Tsar Saltan.
    http://home.freeuk.com/russica4/books/salt/saltan.html

    The Tsar dresses like a commoner and sneaks around villages to gather what folks say about him.

    The Tsar eavesdrops on 3 beautiful Maidens who are chit-chatting about “what if I married a Tsar”. One would cook for him a feast. Other would weave him a Golden Cloth. But the third one would give him a Strong and Brave Son (heir).

    The Tsar marries the 3rd girl……… :lol:

    I had to live in Russia with this notion of “giving a child to the man you love is romantic” almost one-third of my life…… That’s why now whe I see a child 10 meters away I ran in the other direction…. :D
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  21. discoduck

    discoduck Bringing Albinoni Back

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    Congratulations to them!

    I'm a little confused about the term "civil wife"...what does that mean?
  22. Autumn_girl

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    It means they live together, but are not married
  23. Autumm_wind

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    I've assumed they had only a civil ceremony and didn't marry in a church.
    But seeing Natasha Miller's post I am not so sure now.

    Edit: The post above me confuses the hell out of me. Not for its content, though. :D
  24. Mevrouw

    Mevrouw living every minute

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    Or could be commonlaw = living together.
  25. You are correct. "Civil wife" = common law wife. Living together but not married. A civil ceremony would officially make them husband and wife; a church ceremony is not required for that.
  26. Autumm_wind

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    I am very well aware of that.
    I thought the mag wanted, for whatever reason, to distinguish which ceremony had taken place.
    I see I was wrong.
  27. discoduck

    discoduck Bringing Albinoni Back

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    Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. :)

    That's what I was thinking but I wasn't sure.
  28. maureen_diffley

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    You are technically correct about the term "grazhdanskaya zhena" (civil wife), but the media routinely use that term for live-in girlfriends. It's also common conversational usage. Domnina & Kostomarov haven't had any kind of wedding ceremony at ZAKs (civil) or place of worship as per public record, and in interviews don't use the term "wife"/"husband".
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  29. let`s talk

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    How easlily people speak about another country's traditions, based on folk stories, poems or so-called personal experience, when in fact they know a little or nothing about the topic.
    If my man told me: "I would marry you if you give me a child", I would tell him the f-word very politely and trust me many girls would do the same. Many modern Russian women don't want to be treated only as mothers. They want to be treated as lovers, friends, supporters, etc. She is the one. Kostomarov's words are actually quite rude and selfilsh. But he had a history of a brief marriage. Who knows what his reasons are.
  30. Sabrine Tornston

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    Did you miss the part where Natasha and others explained that the source is not legit? That the quote attributed to Kostomarov is supposedly something he said. To whom? Uncle's best friend's cousin? It is not referenced (Kostomarov said in this article ... link ...) and is not posted as a direct quote. Sounds like bs to me. :lynch:

    Lets not jump rip someone apart over a trashy unprofessionally written piece of crapolla.
  31. Tinami Amori

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    Dorogaya moya.... I am a female, I was born in Moscow, and most of my business ventures are in Russia. I am in may late 40's and been observing Russia/USSR for almost 5 decades, and working there, and etc....:)

    ...... and I say "you are not correct"....:D

    It is true, that younger Russian women (more than before) chose a more independent approach to life. But decades will pass until women in Russia will have equal salaries, equal career opportunities and most important a desire to be equal to men in terms of independence and self-sustainability.

    More women than less, in Russia, want to be "wives and mothers". Finding a "rich husband, lover, sugar-daddy" is still very important to many.

    I have many business partners and associates in Russia, starting 1991...:smokin:
    - I know their wives + children;
    - I know their "2nd-family-on-the-side-civil mistress-wives + children";
    - I know their "secret young lover girls who they take to Paris on vacations";
    - I know their female secretaries and admin-assistants who they lay 2-x a week on the office table;
    - and I know the "escort service telephone numbers" they dial when traveling on business on a short notice and are not able to quickly arrange for travel for one of their "own women".

    .... and on top of that..... these men demand fidelity for ALL their women....

    ... and ALL these women keep giving them Babies... :cool:
    As the New Russia saying goes among the "smart girls": you make a baby with a rich man - you guaranteed yourself 18 years worth of meal ticket.

    Most wives know all that, and stay for money and prestige...
    Most 2nd-family-on-the-side girls know all that, and stay for money and prestige...
    and same goes for the rest of the "totem pole" except for whores in Las Vegas..... those do have other clients.

    Oh, and the girls who don't make it as "wives, mistresses, secret lovers, secretaries-with-benefits, or hostess-bar whores"...... They doll themselves up, put on whore-clothes with pants so tight that you can identify their religion, and go to the "West" to screw the balls (and wallet) of Rich Westerner, and then dump them just for asking after taking half of their property, or inventing and "abuse case" to get even more money.....

    and yes...... maybe 10% of younger girls will pick career and education before "picking a man"..... I know some of these girls, they are there, good for them...... but there are SO FEW.....

    Do you remember the survey in "Kommersant" back in 1995, the replies to the question posted to women in Moscow "what would you like to be when you grow up now that its no longer URSS"? - the answer was "HARD-CURRENCY PROSTITUTE".... 72%!

    Well they may not want to be "HCP" now..... that bluntly.... They just want to marry rich, and immediately give that man a CHILD.... after all in some countries "marriage" is often a form of legalized prostitution...... because girls can't afford to "marry for love"...... And Russia is One! of! these! Countries!:D (as much as it saddens me – it’s true).

    What is that Russian saying? Oh yes…… A man does not have to be good looking to marry…. He has to be rich and just slightly less ugly than a monkey….. :D
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  32. pumba

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    wow, life is so horrible :yikes:

    Something tells me that Oksana is not that stupid and has enough dignity to avoid all those terrible things stated above.
    She is a skating champ just like her fiance, so probably can afford not to depend on him that much :watch:
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    Dear Tinami Amori,
    I have no doubt you are talking from experience. However, it is not universal and should not be presented as such.
    I, too , was born in Moscow and grew up there, and now live in the US. I was a professional in Russia and am a professional here. I have lots of female friends in Russia and most of them are women with education, jobs and professional success. None of them married for money or " to give men babies"
    Of course such attitudes exist, but in such an enormous country one is bound to find variety of attitudes.
    I will not deny that Russia is more patriarchal than US.
    But in a union Domnina/ Kostomarov they seem evenly matched, have been together for a while and it is completely common all over the world for a couple to get married when they expect their first child.
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  34. vivika1982

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    She sure has more than enough dignity :) and maybe is time to stop chewing on Roman's "statement" :slinkaway and concentrate on the baby part.
    Congrats to them,light pregnancy and healthy , happy baby. :encore:
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    :eek: :yikes: :scream:
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    How exciting for them! Girl or boy, he or she is sure to be beautiful!:)
  37. Domshabfan

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    I think his words are taken out of context and that has taken a life of its own in our forum. I did remember some time (more than a year) ago when he talked about marriage, where he said he wouldn't bother unless she is pregnant, he went own to say that he had already married once and divorced (wasn't it some austrian skater) and couldn't see the point (something along that line).

    I think marriage before baby's birth sounds similar to Yags and TOT marriage. Roman and Oksana probably just want to be legally married before the child is born. I don't know whether Russia creates extra complication for unwed parents when dealing with child's upbringing (maybe russian could fill us on the subject)
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  39. let`s talk

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    Nothing. No complications. Marriage registration and child birth registration are two separate and independent legal acts. They don't depend on each other. Birth certificate has the parents` names only and nothing more, nothing about if the parents were married or not. Both parents must submit their domestic passports and the kid gets the birth certificate with the parents` names on it. If the father does not want to aknowledge the kid, the court will do it (if the kid is his of course). Children born from unwedded parents get the same legal rights as children born from wedded parents, including the right to get the name of the father and his inheritance.
    I have to say that about 40 years ago (before I was born) the rules were different. If the child was born from unwedded parents, in the entry "Father" in the birth certificate the kid got zero: "-----". That law was amended long time ago, in Brezhnev's times.
  40. let`s talk

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    I see. If it is bs, it is just good. I like him and he always seems sober-minded.:hat1: